Child bride

[Shelly2inme]

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[adrina]

If you are talking about India, the law is very much so welcomed as the "freedom" to (essentially) sell your child daughter into marriage was given greater weight than the girl's freedom to not be sold into marriage.

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK people can marry at 16 with the parents' consent, or at 18 without.

One of my cousins married on her 16th birthday. They now have been married for more than 50 years.

But I can't write about that on Literotica. All sexual relationships have to be with people of 18 or over.

One UK policeman emigrated to the US with his wife. Before he could become a sheriff's deputy in the US he had to be given a pardon by the state governor for 'statutory rape' because he had married in the UK when his bride was 16 and a half and their first child was born when she was still 17.

 

[Wings]

Yes, because it’s certainly been proven time and time again that parenthood makes a human wise and kind.

There is an age of consent for a reason.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you are talking about India, the law is very much so welcomed as the "freedom" to (essentially) sell your child daughter into marriage was given greater weight than the girl's freedom to not be sold into marriage.

Why do you hate brown people???

 

[dolf]

Yes, because it’s certainly been proven time and time again that parenthood makes a human wise and kind.

There is an age of consent for a reason.

Exactly. What planet does this moron live on?

 

[RobDownSouth]

When BotanyBoy has nothing to offer in rebuttal, he immediately attempts to pivot to things like race.
*nods*

 

[BotanyBoy]

And for the record I'm all for the standardized age of consent, I just wish we would pick one......16, 18, 20, 21 all seem to be popular.

I wish it was just one though.

I figure if you can have a job, pay taxes, go to prison like an adult and be called to military service you should be able to get a beer and fuck too.

BTW women need to be made to sign up for the draft......equality and all

 

[BotanyBoy]

When BotanyBoy has nothing to offer in rebuttal, he immediately attempts to pivot to things like race.
*nods*

You don't recognize cultural relativism and the need for social justice???

Clearly a white supremacist....as if your regular use of racial slurs wasn't enough evidence.

 

[Sweet_Cupcake]

If you are talking about India, the law is very much so welcomed as the "freedom" to (essentially) sell your child daughter into marriage was given greater weight than the girl's freedom to not be sold into marriage.

India and many other countries. So exactly what Adrina said times many countries.

I would err on the side of older than younger.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Look at all the scandals that the law makers and law enforcers have had in their own lives. What makes this handful of people so wise that they know when people are old enough to know what they want in life? What makes their opinion more accurate then the viewpoint of the parents that have raised them?

The conservative Christian mantra has always been "Do as I say, not as I did".

There are 33 states in the US where the age of consent is 16 (Alabama recently raised it from 14)
6 states have an age of consent of 17
11 states have an age of consent of 18

I find the "Romeo and Juliet" exemption to be moar in line with the public interest. 25 states have them, where "statutory rape" does not apply if the age difference in the couple does not exceed x number of years (varies by state). States are all over the map (pun intended) on the age differential.

 

[Shelly2inme]

Good think that us dumb folks have rulers

Yes, because it’s certainly been proven time and time again that parenthood makes a human wise and kind.

There is an age of consent for a reason.

I recognize that many parents are horrible and make bad decisions. But looking at how messed up the whole world is proves that rulers make bad decisions all the time too.

My point was about laws being reviewed in the USA. Both the elite ruling class and the stupid little people that they control make bad choices. But why is there an assumption that somehow the elite ruling class will make a better choice regarding a person they don't know at all?

The fact that there are low quality parents doesn't mean that most parents are fools and need personal matters in their family life regulated by some air-head politician. It would be easy to prove that some people are never going to be mature enough to get married. So should the government step in and decide case by case who they think is mature enough? I do think that some marry too young but they have free will and if they make a mistake it is their problem and it is nobody else's business.

If you think that the idiots running socialist states like CA are somehow wiser than parents then I hope you enjoy living in a crime ravaged dump because that is what their wisdom has brought about.

I think that laws can protect children from predators without declaring that a certain age must be forced on all people living under their thumb.

 

[butters]

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first - to protect the vulnerable from being exploited by older people, to whatever ends

second - marriage, enlisting, etc..., etc..., etc.... individuals often believe they know what's best for them at a very young age (even if they don't) and parents are notoriously poor at ensuring their offspring are 'mature' enough (because of their own upbringings/cultural backgrounds/ignorance/religious beliefs/criminal activity), ergo a catch-all safety net intended to protect the young from their own decisions and decisions imposed upon them by other, interested parties.

it makes perfect sense; without it, you'd be back to girls (and boys) being married off as they were in the olden days with the inherently higher risks of dying in childbirth, higher risks involved in any pregnancies, the 'sanctioned' sexual abuse of the underage, the emotional abuse by abusive partners, and so on and so forth infinitum. your post seems to imply you think that's no-one else's business and if anything bad happened then it would be down to the parents.

 

[butters]

I recognize that many parents are horrible and make bad decisions. But looking at how messed up the whole world is proves that rulers make bad decisions all the time too.

My point was about laws being reviewed in the USA. Both the elite ruling class and the stupid little people that they control make bad choices. But why is there an assumption that somehow the elite ruling class will make a better choice reading a person they don't know at all?

The fact that there are low quality parents doesn't mean that most parents are fools and need personal matters in their family life regulated by some air-head politician.

If you think that the idiots running socialist states like CA are somehow wiser than parents then I hope you enjoy living in a crime ravaged dump because that is what their wisdom has brought about.

I think that laws can protect children from predators without declaring that a certain age must be forced on all people living under their thumb.

except that the laws as they stand now do NOT protect all the children from predators... they're better than they were, but it's still far too common. the age of consent has been one of the BIGGEST and strongest protectors of children ever introduced, right up there with vaccinations.

 

[FGB]

We had this whole huge multi page discussion in the early 2000's.

 

[RobDownSouth]

except that the laws as they stand now do NOT protect all the children from predators... they're better than they were, but it's still far too common. the age of consent has been one of the BIGGEST and strongest protectors of children ever introduced, right up there with vaccinations.

I agree with you on age of consent laws, but again I'd like to stress the need for a "Romeo and Juliet" exception. The US is halfway there with 25 states onboard.

There was a push to add an exception in Georgia two years ago, but it failed when mostly-white lawmakers determined that a no-exceptions law could criminalize underage interracial sex.

 

[RobDownSouth]

We had this whole huge multi page discussion in the early 2000's.

Tell us again about all the children you sired in the parking lots of discos, Grandpa!

 

[butters]

I agree with you on age of consent laws, but again I'd like to stress the need for a "Romeo and Juliet" exception. The US is halfway there with 25 states onboard.

There was a push to add an exception in Georgia two years ago, but it failed when mostly-white lawmakers determined that a no-exceptions law could criminalize underage interracial sex.

oh, i don't disagree with you on this, regarding criminality... i also don't believe 2 young people should be coerced to get married just because she is pregnant and it's embarrassing for her family and church

 

[Shelly2inme]

Here we go again...

first - to protect the vulnerable from being exploited by older people, to whatever ends

second - marriage, enlisting, etc..., etc..., etc.... individuals often believe they know what's best for them at a very young age (even if they don't) and parents are notoriously poor at ensuring their offspring are 'mature' enough (because of their own upbringings/cultural backgrounds/ignorance/religious beliefs/criminal activity), ergo a catch-all safety net intended to protect the young from their own decisions and decisions imposed upon them by other, interested parties.

it makes perfect sense; without it, you'd be back to girls (and boys) being married off as they were in the olden days with the inherently higher risks of dying in childbirth, higher risks involved in any pregnancies, the 'sanctioned' sexual abuse of the underage, the emotional abuse by abusive partners, and so on and so forth infinitum. your post seems to imply you think that's no-one else's business and if anything bad happened then it would be down to the parents.

As always a problem is detected and the solution is for big government to step in and protect people from themselves. Every year more laws more regulations and the whole world keeps turning into a darker and more mess up place. I agree that there are big problems. But big government is not the solution. There are always harmful unintended consequences of their invasive laws. The whole premise is based on the idea that some humans no what is best for everyone else and they feel good about passing laws to force their views on everyone else.

 

[FGB]

Tell us again about all the children you sired in the parking lots of discos, Grandpa!

I wish I did have at least one somewhere ...would make my life a lot easier when it comes getting rid of stuff!

 

[butters]

As always a problem is detected and the solution is for big government to step in and protect people from themselves. Every year more laws more regulations and the whole world keeps turning into a darker and more mess up place. I agree that there are big problems. But big government is not the solution. There are always harmful unintended consequences of their invasive laws. The whole premise is based on the idea that some humans no what is best for everyone else and they feel good about passing laws to force their views on everyone else.

the people making the decisions are (are they not?) people elected to do so to represent the will of the people

the problems didn't just exist, they flourished without government intervention: the church, parents, schools... none of those bodies, either as individuals or working in co-ordination, found the solution; when a society sorts its own ills in the best possible way without resorting to government intervention, there's no need for a government to intervene. simple.

tell us, why are you so anti the age of consent/marriage laws in this country?

personally, i like the uk system better... age of consent=16, age of marriage=16 with parental permission, 18 without. once you're 18, you are classed as a fully responsible, functioning adult permitted to make up your own mind on the serious issues of life. the notion of having to be 21 in the states to legally imbibe alcohol is also pretty weird.

 

[FGB]

Here is what fgarvb1 had to say back in 2003...

"Look Numb nuts right or wrong is one thing, The law is another.

People will send you to jail if you get caught at this in the wrong state.

True they might take into account your age.

In Texas you could get from two to twenty years in prison and or two to ten years probation and or up to a ten thousand dollar fine..

And be listed as a sexual predator for the rest of your life.

In Texas no one can consent if they are under age, you will have NO defense.

Dude, young pussy is good, but its not THAT good."


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Originally posted by plasmaball
i think if the girl wants to it should be her choice. As long as you didn't force anything.
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"I'm sure the woman we gave 10 years probation and a five thousand fine to thought the same thing about the fifteen year old boy.

The prison door brushed her hair as it slammed shut.

She was almost certainly drunk too."
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[Dribble]

Not really a surprise that 14 yr olds can marry w consent of ONE parent in 4 Republican but no Democrat states. Ever wonder why those same states are so reliant on welfare?

 

[butters]

Not really a surprise that 14 yr olds can marry w consent of ONE parent in 4 Republican but no Democrat states. Ever wonder why those same states are so reliant on welfare?

but but but bastards!!!

 

[RobDownSouth]

I wish I did have at least one somewhere ...would make my life a lot easier when it comes getting rid of stuff!

You were 2 hrs away from Gilley's, big guy. You could have had an entire platoon of little goat-ropers had you just put out a bit of effort. Were you firin' blanks?