Store clerk convicted of killing thief

[jaF0]

Should have just cut his hand off

That must be why you had to deceptively edited my response

There is no editing in the post in question. Limb amputation for theft IS Sharia Law.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Here's a question: how many other crimes had the criminal committed before this one? How many more would he have committed during his lifetime?

Was this his first criminal act?

Also, why did it take two days for someone to find the body? Where were his friends and family when they hadn't heard from him for two days?

Even better question than that to put the focus back on who it's supposed to be on: Why didn't Ghazali call the police after shooting at him?

I thought gun owners were supposed to be law-abiding and have trust in the system and all that shit? Isn't that what we're told?

 

[suurfer]

"Why didn't he call Police after he shot him?" Especially since he thought he'd hit him.
Such a bizarre case.

ETA
I'm struggling to suss out what was going through his head,

 

[HisArpy]

"Why didn't he call Police after he shot him?" Especially since he thought he'd hit him.
Such a bizarre case.

ETA
I'm struggling to suss out what was going through his head,

There is no requirement that you call the police for anything. Being humanitarian isn't a defense either.

 

[LesDesirable]

There is no requirement that you call the police for anything. Being humanitarian isn't a defense either.

And in fact, in this particular case - failure to call the police would be covered under the 5th amendment's protection against self-incrimination.

He would have been admitting to the shooting by calling for the police, and would have been charged at that time, although he may well have avoided the charge escalating to murder and only had to pay the price for a GBH.

some states require reporting for all felonies, or witness of felonies.

 

[HisArpy]

And in fact, in this particular case - failure to call the police would be covered under the 5th amendment's protection against self-incrimination.

He would have been admitting to the shooting by calling for the police, and would have been charged at that time, although he may well have avoided the charge escalating to murder and only had to pay the price for a GBH.

some states require reporting for all felonies, or witness of felonies.

There is no guarantee that the guy wouldn't have died anyway even if he'd gotten immediate medical help.

 

[butters]

if you shoot at someone, let alone a minor, and there's even a passing chance you may have hit them, shouldn't it be absolutely the thing to let the cops know? after all, even minor traffic bumps are supposed to be called in, aren't they? (i could be wrong, not sure about the laws here regarding that) and if it's important enough to call in about a minor traffic bump that may have bent a bumper of got a car a scratch, isn't a person's life more valuable than that? or, at the very least, AS valuable?

besides that, shooting a fleeing 17-year-old who stole some beer seems extreme. is the clerk remorseful at all about his actions meaning a kid's lost their life?

 

[HisArpy]

if you shoot at someone, let alone a minor, and there's even a passing chance you may have hit them, shouldn't it be absolutely the thing to let the cops know? after all, even minor traffic bumps are supposed to be called in, aren't they? (i could be wrong, not sure about the laws here regarding that) and if it's important enough to call in about a minor traffic bump that may have bent a bumper of got a car a scratch, isn't a person's life more valuable than that? or, at the very least, AS valuable?

besides that, shooting a fleeing 17-year-old who stole some beer seems extreme. is the clerk remorseful at all about his actions meaning a kid's lost their life?

 

[jaF0]

And in fact, in this particular case - failure to call the police would be covered under the 5th amendment's protection against self-incrimination.

He would have been admitting to the shooting by calling for the police, and would have been charged at that time,

Yo, Dunderhead. That could have shielded him from prosecution.

 

[butters]

a $2 beer

is not worth

killing someone over

 

[FukLuk]

She's right.

 

[suurfer]

There is no requirement that you call the police for anything. Being humanitarian isn't a defense either.

1. Even if you put a bullet through someone?




2. This being an equally horrendous and bizarre case:
The most plausible scenario that I can come up with is this:

I suspect that the shooting was impulsive out of anger, and when he calmed down he realized that he'd overreacted.
He must have thought after that: "Oh shit! I just shot someone inn the legs".
Not that he cared about the kid, but for himself, of being held responsible. (if the kid went to ED to get the bullet out, and it was traced back at him).

So the first impulse would be to call Police to cover one's back, but then you think: "Wait a minute, what if they charge me for shooting him when he fled?"
So he'd decide to keep quiet, hoping that the kid would have the bullet taken out through some underground network. People who steal don't want to go through official channels.

 

[suurfer]

a $2 beer

is not worth

killing someone over

I'm pretty sure he didn't intend to kill him, as barbaric and callous as his act was.

 

[mark_j]

if you shoot at someone, let alone a minor, and there's even a passing chance you may have hit them, shouldn't it be absolutely the thing to let the cops know? after all, even minor traffic bumps are supposed to be called in, aren't they? (i could be wrong, not sure about the laws here regarding that) and if it's important enough to call in about a minor traffic bump that may have bent a bumper of got a car a scratch, isn't a person's life more valuable than that? or, at the very least, AS valuable?

besides that, shooting a fleeing 17-year-old who stole some beer seems extreme. is the clerk remorseful at all about his actions meaning a kid's lost their life?

This is the crux of the entire argument.

Unless there is some information that is not being reported, most SOP on use of deadly force would dictate that this store clerk WAY over stepped his bounds and was NOT justified in shooting that kid.

 

[LesDesirable]

There is no guarantee that the guy wouldn't have died anyway even if he'd gotten immediate medical help.

No. But can you even admit the slightest, teensie, eensie, weensie, possibility that had police, and paramedics been called that the victim/thief might have lived to steal again another day?

Better that he died over a beer, anyone stealing beer is a fucking alcoholic with no future anyway.

 

[HisArpy]

Yo, Dunderhead. That could have shielded him from prosecution.

Uh, no.

You have the Right to remain silent. ANYTHING you say CAN AND WILL be used against you.

This means if you open your mouth to the police about what you just did, the words that come out will CONVICT you. Please note there is NOTHING IN THERE about anything you say that is exculpatory.

Calling the police and saying that you shot someone at the very least means an arrest for unlawfully discharging a firearm unless you can prove you were in fear of great bodily harm and/or death to yourself or another.

Even then, let someone else dial 911 while you call your own lawyer then STFU until you see him.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes, thieves are scum.

But the law is fairly clear that shooting is only justified in protection of life, and shooting a fleeing thief is not justifiable, even for a police officer; although a police officer would have known to follow up the wounded man and plant a firearm on his body in order to justify the shooting.

See the Michael Brown case: Store owner called police over theft of minor items, police caught up with suspect and finished him off, all perfectly legal.

Hope your 80th post is your last, we don't need another LUK, CAN'T HANDLE TOO MUCH MORE OF THIS PEDLING OF STUPIDITY.

 

[LesDesirable]

Yo, Dunderhead. That could have shielded him from prosecution.

No dunce, it would have been a legal admission that he fired his gun without justification at a fleeing person, meaning that he would have been charged with that crime, if not for 2nd degree murder.

You need to understand that bringing in the police to any shooting means that they are going to investigate the entire event. From the initial beer theft, to the chase out the door to the shooting. Shooting the fleeing man was a crime and calling the police would have resulted at the very least in being charged with unlawful use of a firearm. The followup search of the blood trail MIGHT have resulted in a live victim, and and an upping of the charge to gross bodily harm, assault and battery, or whatever version that state has of unlawful wounding.

Not bringing in the police left him the greatest possibility of going uncharged with any crime.

 

[LesDesirable]

Hope your 80th post is your last, we don't need another LUK, CAN'T HANDLE TOO MUCH MORE OF THIS PEDLING OF STUPIDITY.

You should take care to spell and punctuate properly when you call someone stupid.

Fail.

You should also learn to read with more than a moronic 5th grader's eye.

 

[HisArpy]

No dunce, it would have been a legal admission that he fired his gun without justification at a fleeing person, meaning that he would have been charged with that crime, if not for 2nd degree murder.

You need to understand that bringing in the police to any shooting means that they are going to investigate the entire event. From the initial beer theft, to the chase out the door to the shooting. Shooting the fleeing man was a crime and calling the police would have resulted at the very least in being charged with unlawful use of a firearm. The followup search of the blood trail MIGHT have resulted in a live victim, and and an upping of the charge to gross bodily harm, assault and battery, or whatever version that state has of unlawful wounding.

Not bringing in the police left him the greatest possibility of going uncharged with any crime.

Had the guy kept his mouth shut at the time; even after they found the body, he might not have been suspected of the shooting.

 

[HisArpy]

This is the crux of the entire argument.

Unless there is some information that is not being reported, most SOP on use of deadly force would dictate that this store clerk WAY over stepped his bounds and was NOT justified in shooting that kid.

No one is disagreeing with that.

 

[suurfer]

Or maybe the kid used to steal regularly from the shop, and the owner thought: "This time, I'm gonna teach him a lesson."
Who would have forethought such a tragic twist of events...

It's too bizarre.
No matter how racists or mentally imbalanced, people don't often shoot others over a one off minor theft.

 

[butters]

Or maybe the kid used to steal regularly from the shop, and the owner thought: "This time, I'm gonna teach him a lesson."
Who would have forethought such a tragic twist of events...

It's too bizarre.
No matter how racists or mentally imbalanced, people don't often shoot others over a one off minor theft.

someone is shooting at a person running away
discharging a firearm
that's, you know, sending potentially deadly pieces of hot metal at an extreme rate of force and speed towards a relatively slow-moving, warm, soft, wet bag of flesh known as a human body

yeah, who could imagine anything so tragic as a loss of life could come from that?

 

[HisArpy]

Or maybe the kid used to steal regularly from the shop, and the owner thought: "This time, I'm gonna teach him a lesson."
Who would have forethought such a tragic twist of events...

This is pure fantasy. Why would you inject that into this discussion?

It's too bizarre.
No matter how racists or mentally imbalanced, people don't often shoot others over a one off minor theft.

Yes they do.

Almost every armed robbery is about a "minor theft". Major thefts rarely involve guns.

 

[HisArpy]

someone is shooting at a person running away
discharging a firearm
that's, you know, sending potentially deadly pieces of hot metal at an extreme rate of force and speed towards a relatively slow-moving, warm, soft, wet bag of flesh known as a human body

yeah, who could imagine anything so tragic as a loss of life could come from that?

Feels don't change the dynamic.