Climate continues to change.

[thør]

Ive known a few welders by trade.

I suppose there are factors involved, like anything.

Career welder, indoors, every day?

Freelance guy who has a truck and mainly works in fresh air?

Or.. factory?

Any way.... welding is good to know...mg, tig, straight up arc...

Even some brazing with a torch.

Bobby Dylan...

 

[Hal9000_]

Bobby Dylan...

Don't need a weather man...

to tell which way the wind blows.

 

[thør]

Don't need a weather man...

to tell which way the wind blows.

I just want to know how hard it's going to blow.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Hey...we are pretty good...kinda... at a 3 day forecast.

If I was wrong at my work, the same percentage of the time the weather person is, I'd be fired!

OTOH I don't look nearly as good as the lady on my local new station. That could be a factor too.

 

[trysail]

Meanwhile, in real news, not hooey ....



https://apnews.com/364d0093c2a94d4c93fc50493c36ab42

...and just how long ago were the Great Lakes at their lowest level in recorded history?


Here's a clue (because you don't have one):

"...In 2013, record low water levels in the Great Lakes were attributed to climate change..."​

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[von_Bismarck]

...and just how long ago were the Great Lakes at their lowest level in recorded history?


Here's a clue (because you don't have one):

"...In 2013, record low water levels in the Great Lakes were attributed to climate change..."​

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Meanwhile, what actual researchers are saying.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-sends-great-lakes-water-levels-seesawing/

 

[trysail]

"...The global surface thermometer network has three major problems when it comes to getting global-average temperatures:

(1) The urban heat island (UHI) effect has caused a gradual warming of most land thermometer sites due to encroachment of buildings, parking lots, air conditioning units, vehicles, etc. These effects are localized, not indicative of most of the global land surface (which remains most rural), and not caused by increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Because UHI warming “looks like” global warming, it is difficult to remove from the data. In fact, NOAA’s efforts to make UHI-contaminated data look like rural data seems to have had the opposite effect. The best strategy would be to simply use only the best (most rural) sited thermometers. This is currently not done.

(2) Ocean temperatures are notoriously uncertain due to changing temperature measurement technologies (canvas buckets thrown overboard to get a sea surface temperature sample long ago, ship engine water intake temperatures more recently, buoys, satellite measurements only since about 1983, etc.)

(3) Both land and ocean temperatures are notoriously incomplete geographically. How does one estimate temperatures in a 1 million square mile area where no measurements exist?..."
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-Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D.​

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[jaF0]

Both land and ocean temperatures are notoriously incomplete geographically. How does one estimate temperatures in a 1 million square mile area where no measurements exist?..."
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Infrared satellite measurements that are verified in areas where ground based instruments are available.

 

[trysail]

Infrared satellite measurements that are verified in areas where ground based instruments are available.

As we all know, satellite-based measurement of global surface temperatures only commenced 40 years ago.


Prior to that date, the accuracy and reliability of the historic global temperature record for the oceans (i.e., 70% of the earth's surface) is a joke and a farce.


Anybody who says the historic global temperature record prior to 1979 is accurate is either uninformed or selling snake oil.




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[phrodeau]

The area of the earth is 196.9 million square miles, so if one million get missed, that’s not much.

 

[trysail]

If you harbored doubts respecting the reading comprehension abilities of certain posters, evidence justifying those doubts has just been provided (in spades).


I'm not going to spend time pointing out the gross error. I'll leave that to others. If you can't see it for yourself, it's a lost cause.


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[phrodeau]

If you harbored doubts respecting the reading comprehension abilities of certain posters, evidence justifying those doubts has just been provided (in spades).


I'm not going to spend time pointing out the gross error. I'll leave that to others. If you can't see it for yourself, it's a lost cause.


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Did you ever explain the differences in those graphs you posted?

 

[trysail]

Hockey Stick Groundhog Day

by Paul Matthews

"...Fifteen to twenty years ago, Michael Mann and colleagues wrote a few papers claiming that current warming was unprecedented over the last 600 to 2000 years. Other climate scientists described Mann’s work variously as crap, pathetic, sloppy, and crap. These papers caught the interest of Stephen McIntyre and this led to the creation of his Climate Audit blog and the publication of papers pointing out the flaws in these hockey stick reconstructions. In particular, Mcintyre and his co-author Ross McKitrick showed that the method used by Mann and colleagues shifted the data in such a way that any data sets that showed an upward trend in the 20th century would receive a stronger weighting in the final reconstruction. With this method, generation of a hockey-stick shape in the temperature reconstruction was virtually guaranteed, which M&M demonstrated by feeding in random numbers to the method.

As climate scientist Rob Wilson put it in an email,

The whole Macintyre [sic] issue got me thinking about over-fitting and the potential bias of screening against the target climate parameter… I first generated 1000 random time-series in Excel… The reconstructions clearly show a ‘hockey-stick’ trend. I guess this is precisely the phenomenon that Macintyre has been going on about.
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But the climate science community admitted nothing in public. One climate scientist wrote one of the most revealing emails:

-How should we deal with flaws inside the climate community? I think, that “our” reaction on the errors found in Mike Mann’s work were not especially honest.​

Ouch..."​

more...


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[trysail]

Some Climate Humor For The Week
by Francis Menton (a/k/a "Manhattan Contrarian")

"...last week Google held a “climate summit,” or something like that, outside Palermo in Sicily. There were about 300 attendees. This being a top-level Google conference, the attendees were not nobody. It was a who’s who of the wealthiest and most powerful people who have sought to make themselves high priests and priestesses of the climate cult; people like Woody Harrelson, Diane von Furstenberg, David Geffen, Chris Martin, Leonardo DiCaprio, Sacha Baron Cohen, Orlando Bloom, Katy Perry, Prince Harry, etc., etc., etc. And how did they get to this exotic location? From [Rex] Murphy:

How did this coven of illuminati get to Sicily? . . . Official count of the private jets wafting into Palermo air for the “great consult” stands at 114. This for a maximum 300 people attending — three persons per jet.

{But] not all came from the carbon-rich sky. Some came by personal super-yacht. Eric Smidt, CEO of something called Harbor Freight Tools, came on a 69-metre luxury barge Intrepid (US$150 million); a New Zealand tycoon cleaved the Mediterranean on Andromeda ($US165 million); and David Geffen floated in on Rising Sun ($US400 million). . . ."​

lots more (including Australia's auto electricity recharging station powered by [you guessed it] a diesel generator !!) ...


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[Hal9000_]

https://eos.org/articles/july-may-turn-out-to-be-the-hottest-month-in-recorded-history

"July’s temperature record comes on the heels of reports of Antarctic sea ice extent being the lowest on record, “unprecedented” Arctic wildfires, sweeping heat waves on multiple continents, and a Greenland ice sheet losing 12.5 billion tons of water in a single day."

 

[trysail]

The art history, English, poetry, anthropology, sociology and basket-weaving majors continue to swallow the Kool-Aid regurgitated by the science-illiterate, innumerate media.



July 2019 Was NOT the Warmest On Record
by Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D.

"...We are now seeing news reports (e.g. CNN, BBC, Reuters) that July 2019 was the hottest month on record for global average surface air temperatures.

One would think that the very best data would be used to make this assessment. After all, it comes from official government sources (such as NOAA, and the World Meteorological Organization [WMO]).

But current official pronouncements of global temperature records come from a fairly limited and error-prone array of thermometers which were never intended to measure global temperature trends..."


more...


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[hobbit.]

Global warming is the new religion, we need to sacrifice more diesel engines to the great god of increased tax to reduce carbon, etc, etc.

what a load of bollocks.

recycling however... not very sexy though.

 

[neci]

Global warming is the new religion, we need to sacrifice more diesel engines to the great god of increased tax to reduce carbon, etc, etc.

what a load of bollocks.

recycling however... not very sexy though.

sexy cans

 

[ceeema]

definitely has changed here in Kerala, India. worst flooding last year this time in over a century and this year again, many areas under red and orange alerts with water levels in water rising. raining outside heavily as i type

 

[Ahusband76]

"Global warming" recently "Climate change is all bullshit" the climate change has everything to do with the December 2004 earthquake not man made carbon. As we do contribute a little carbon it does nothing to change climate. It wasn't until the almighty Al Gore brought told us in 2006 all of us little peons better change our ways as the eletetist live in luxury.

 

[Ahusband76]

definitely has changed here in Kerala, India. worst flooding last year this time in over a century and this year again, many areas under red and orange alerts with water levels in water rising. raining outside heavily as i type

Has absolutely nothing to do with man made carbon, see above.

 

[Kantarii]

I wish it would change faster. I’m ready for Fall.

 

[trysail]

Fucking priceless.


The Full Rex Murphy: There's No Hypocrite Like A Rich Jet-Setting Anti-Global Warming One

by Rex Murphy

"... there is no issue on this orbiting Earth, nor has there even been, that has the burden and depth, the volume and intensity of the rawest hypocrisy — that burns on the flames of hypocrisy itself — as that of global warming. The hypocrisy of politicians is as a bead of sand, a pimple in the shadow of Everest compared to the hollow, fake piety of the mega rich and famous gospellers of global warming.

Those howling loudest at people to use public transport — “for the planet’s sake” — should not, per exemplum, own $400-million yachts, travel themselves by private jet, have a dozen vast mansions in a dozen countries, and hold suppers that cost $100,000 in ancient Greek temples. But they do. Check out the Google Summer Camp.

This week the richest of the rich, the famousest of the famous, the most pretentious of the pretentious, convened a three-day summit in a high-luxury resort on the island of Sicily to — discuss? bemoan? illustrate? — the crisis of climate inflammation wrought by fiendish fossil fuels. It was sponsored by the two founders of Google (personal worth, 2017, US$81 billion)...

...The world-savers rented the Temple of Hera (goddess of childbirth, scourge of mistresses — you can Google it) in the 2,500-year-old Valley of the Temples for an evening meal (US$100,000). Not everyone can light up a UNESCO World Heritage site for a private supper while being yodelled at by a pop star. What, I wonder, did they have for breakfast? Faberge eggs on nightingale tongues? For a little sightseeing, high-fuel, 200-grand Maseratis were available for all. To their credit there were no plastic straws — silver tubes embroidered with diamonds is my guess.

I reckon this high-class global warming missionary retreat wiped out in a mere three days the presumed benefits of Canada’s useless carbon tax. Ten such summits and the Earth will barrel into the Sun: not from overheating — from perfect embarrassment that it shelters such a band of plutocratic Uriah Heeps. It comes down to this. Those who most harangue and harass the rest of us on our “carbon” usage are the greatest wastrels of all. They owns numerous mansions, live in palaces (Harry), travel on private jets and yachts the size of Sweden, burn money by the bucket load, and toss more of those fatal carbon emissions into the air than any single person since Saddam Hussein set fire to the oilfields at the end of the Gulf War..."



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https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dicaprio.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=780

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[phrodeau]

If you believe they’re hypocrites, then you must believe in climate change. Either burning fossil fuels matters or it doesn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[gunthernehmen]

If you believe they’re hypocrites, then you must believe in climate change. Either burning fossil fuels matters or it doesn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

If THEY believe in climate change but behave the way they do wrt use of fossil fuels they they are by definition hypocrites, no matter WHAT any of us believe. You should look up what the word means before criticizing someone's use of it.

If they do NOT believe in climate change and behave the way they do then no, they are not hypocrites but rather, deceitful, self important scumbags.

Both of the above assume the individuals are involved in climate change activism as some level. You or I, believing in CC but driving a gas fueled car to work could simply be accepting the inevitable and doing what we must to survive. That's pragmatism, not hypocrisy.