Slavery reparations proposals could cost US more than $17 trillion

[BotanyBoy]

No, dipshit. It's a feeling I have.

Right....an insane one.

I said it's impossible for reparations to happen, you agreed with me, but then attacked me for no reason.

Not an attack, pity.

And not for no reason, because you feel guilty for being born with the same skin color as some folks who are assholes.

Even though assholes come in every color, both sexes and all 75,239 genders.

This is why no one takes you seriously.

Luk is not everyone.

In Liberal California, I watched my black/brown friends and families be disregarded and spurned by racists in local government, schools, and everyday life.

They do it to white people too.

And racist as fuck California ain't that liberal, it's highly authoritarian compared to most states, it just likes to toot it's own horn a lot.

You should get out of that smog pit more often.

The racist white people have made me feel guilty about their heinous acts since I was a child.

Right, because you share the same skin color....you're essentially racist against yourself, that's insane.

You're not responsible for the behavior/actions of other white people past present of future. White people aren't any more of a monolith than any other racial demographic, and it's just as racist to think they are as it is any other racial demographic. Luk is only responsible for the actions and behavior of Luk.

So if you want to feel guilty about something feel guilty about acting like a fuckin' 5 year old who can't back up his bluster with anything but name calling instead of interacting with people like an adult.

Not for being born white.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No, dipshit. It's a feeling I have. I said it's impossible for reparations to happen, you agreed with me, but then attacked me for no reason.

This is why no one takes you seriously.

In Liberal California, I watched my black/brown friends and families be disregarded and spurned by racists in local government, schools, and everyday life. The racist white people have made me feel guilty about their heinous acts since I was a child.

What part of CA was that? I have never seen anything like that, except with criminals.

 

[Talk_Radio]

Schumer throws support behind bill to study reparations

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on Tuesday that he is supporting legislation to form a commission to study the issue of granting reparations to African Americans.

"I’ve always believed racism is the poison of America. ... I’ve tried to do a lot, but more has to be done," Schumer said. "I will support the legislation by Sen. Cory Booker [D-N.J.] and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee [D-Texas] to establish a commission to study the issue of reparations for slavery and discrimination."

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[Que]

Just pay for it with all the increased prosperity from the Green New Deal's intended disruption of capitalism or using all the cost savings that the American healthcare system will enjoy from adding a costly, unwieldy bureaucracy on top of the expenses associated with actually delivering healthcare.

Easy-peasy if you don't bother with math.

 

[pornochic]

I've heard that the Emancipation Proclamation promised each former slave "40 acres and a mule". I don't know if that's correct of not, but I believe the U.S. needs to honor all it's unfulfilled contracts, including ALL of the broken treaties with Native American "indians".

How that can be accomplished I don't know.

 

[Que]

I've heard that the Emancipation Proclamation promised each former slave "40 acres and a mule". I don't know if that's correct of not, but I believe the U.S. needs to honor all it's unfulfilled contracts, including ALL of the broken treaties with Native American "indians".

How that can be accomplished I don't know.

Lincoln's executive order was designed as an economic blow to the individual,sovereign States that seceded from the voluntary compact that formed the union of States known as The United States. It did not free slaves in Union states who were prosecuting the war of Northern aggression against the Southern States.

It really wasn't about freeing the slaves so much as denying the South their labor. There were no programs or benefits available to any slaves who escaped to northern states. It just simply meant they couldn't be drug back to the South

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've heard that the Emancipation Proclamation promised each former slave "40 acres and a mule". I don't know if that's correct of not, but I believe the U.S. needs to honor all it's unfulfilled contracts, including ALL of the broken treaties with Native American "indians".

How that can be accomplished I don't know.

And that's exactly why the current people of the USA paying for the sins of their ancestors .....is laughable.

 

[pornochic]

And that's exactly why the current people of the USA paying for the sins of their ancestors .....is laughable.

"not paying for sins". It's a legal matter of honoring contracts.

 

[BotanyBoy]

"not paying for sins". It's a legal matter of honoring contracts.

Contracts made by and to people who have all been long dead.


Do you think you are responsible for the actions of your grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grandparents???

How about owing the grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grandkids of anyone they might have wronged in their lives???

The notion is silly, time to get over what happened 170'ish + years ago.

 

[Que]

And that's exactly why the current people of the USA paying for the sins of their ancestors .....is laughable.

Not to mention, who amongst potential recipients gets a check, for how much, based on what actual claim?

For starters, you need some sort of registry and an accounting of the family impact.

Does a northern slave state descendant get a bigger check for the three extra years their family was enslaved?

What about mixed race individuals? If you are 1/2 black do you get half a check? What if you are 1/4 slave descended, 1/4 African who came here a generation ago and 1/2 white? Do you pay yourself?

Hiw much should my blond-hairrd, blue-eyed children 1/16 black children get together with their check for 1/16 native? What if we aren't sure about how the black ancestor ended up on an Indian reservation?

Do descendants of b lik a.ck slave owners forfeit their reparations, or do you titrate it by measuring the enslaved/slaver ratio in their blood?

What about recent African immigrants from tribes that sold others into slavery, do they pay, or get a check based on skin color?

Regardless, these reparations are to be paid by levying the party of slavery, Jim Crowe, segregation, and opposition to forced bussing, right? I'm sure that no reparations are due from any member of the Grand Old Party, the party of Lincoln, so long as we are maintaining the fiction that the primary reason for the Civil War was the abolition of slavery. The GOP paid the debt with blood already.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not to mention, who amongst potential recipients gets a check, for how much, based on what actual claim?

Part of why it's all so laughable.

 

[milehighcityman]

Free college, free health care, free homes, guaranteed income, open borders and now reparations. Clearly we can't do all of these. So if the Democratic party were to take over, there would be a total blood bath of fighting to see what programs are enacted and which are not. They are all being promised but can't be fulfilled.

 

[Que]

Let us start with your parent and widdle it down from there.

"Widdle?"

I think you are thinking of the widdle made by your widdle winkie. How does a pedant, like yourself, typing on a laptop in nice big letters with spellcheck enabled make such egregious errors in word choices while crowing about every obvious typo others make?

This wasn't s typo. This was you not knowing how a basic word is spelled or pronounced.

Are you taking the piss?

 

[BotanyBoy]

"Widdle?"

I think you are thinking of the widdle made by your widdle winkie. How does a pedant, like yourself, typing on a laptop in nice big letters with spellcheck enabled make such egregious errors in word choices while crowing about every obvious typo others make?

This wasn't s typo. This was you not knowing how a basic word is spelled or pronounced.

Are you taking the piss?

He'll lie and name call, he's not adult enough to admit he meant whittle and fucked up.....again.

 

[jp55665566]

Imagine if even a small part of our bloated Defense budget were allocated to citizen welfare (education, health care, etc.). The United States initiates military aggression all over the world. The entire Vietnam War was an unnecessary lie. Stop building billion dollar war planes and start nurturing citizens.

 

[Que]

Part of why it's all so laughable.

Anything to get Black folks (15% of whom are ineligible felons) to vote in Obama-level numbers never seen before or after there was a black guy at the top of the ticket. Maybe if they had not so enthusiastically funded abortion mills in Black neighborhoods they would have more voters even with the low turnout percentages. They also should not have displaced Blacks with imported Hispanics. Blacks with higher wages have larger and more likely intact families with lower incarceration rates and vote more reliably Dem than Hispanics do.

The hilarious thing there is Obama wasn't even half black. He was half African. Harris is 1/2 Jamaican.

 

[Que]

Imagine if even a small part of our bloated Defense budget were allocated to citizen welfare (education, health care, etc.). The United States initiates military aggression all over the world. The entire Vietnam War was an unnecessary lie. Stop building billion dollar war planes and start nurturing citizens.

Imagine if we had not wasted 20 trillion dollars on Johnson's never-ending, ineffectual war on poverty that destroyed the black family and is in process of destroying the remaing families in America of any color?

Imagine if that 20 trillion dollars had not been taken out of the pool of available capital or slyly taken by taxing the poor through the devaluation of our currency?

What if the poor still had the wages and buying power of the late 1960s? What if Government taxation and regulation had and unions had not driven manufacturing out of this country so that there were good high-paying manufacturing jobs?

All of the above on top of what I actually agree with you on our bloated military spending. We would have double what you proposed had we not wasted it on quote unquote nurturing our citizens.

You can go to any Indian reservation in the country and see what happens when you make an entire people depended upon government handouts.

 

[trysail]

ProPublica and NPR are laughable in their desperate efforts to hype the case that African-Americans are deserving of reparation payments.


The latest propaganda effort invoked the laws of intestacy to somehow argue that divided ownership of realty arising from inheritance is somehow representative of a dastardly conspiracy to rob American blacks of their property. In the specific case that was cited, a possibly unscrupulous uncle may have used his superior knowledge of the law to disadvantage other family members— hardly reason to hold the country at fault. But, as is so often the case, a clueless ProPublica/NPR reporter completely devoid of knowledge of the law and equity fruitlessly tries to make the episode an excuse for the payment of reparations.


I've never heard anything that was so laughably wrong and muddle-headed.

No wonder nobody believes a word emanating out of ProPublica/NPR.



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[4est_Trump]

I've heard that the Emancipation Proclamation promised each former slave "40 acres and a mule". I don't know if that's correct of not, but I believe the U.S. needs to honor all it's unfulfilled contracts, including ALL of the broken treaties with Native American "indians".

How that can be accomplished I don't know.

America must honor whatever was promised. It's the Christian thing to do. If you say that you are going to do something, you do it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by pornochic View Post
I've heard that the Emancipation Proclamation promised each former slave "40 acres and a mule". I don't know if that's correct of not, but I believe the U.S. needs to honor all it's unfulfilled contracts, including ALL of the broken treaties with Native American "indians".

How that can be accomplished I don't know.

America must honor whatever was promised. It's the Christian thing to do. If you say that you are going to do something, you do it.

The forty acres and a mule was a proposal, and never got further than that. And it had nothing to do with the Emancipation Proclamation. However, I agree we should follow through on it now. All those people who were slaves during and before the Civil War should be given the land and the mule. Those people who were born after the war ended, having never known the rigors of slavery, would not be entitled to any reparations. Let's be fair.

 

[4est_Trump]

Quote:
Originally Posted by pornochic View Post
I've heard that the Emancipation Proclamation promised each former slave "40 acres and a mule". I don't know if that's correct of not, but I believe the U.S. needs to honor all it's unfulfilled contracts, including ALL of the broken treaties with Native American "indians".

How that can be accomplished I don't know.



The forty acres and a mule was a proposal, and never got further than that. And it had nothing to do with the Emancipation Proclamation. However, I agree we should follow through on it now. All those people who were slaves during and before the Civil War should be given the land and the mule. Those people who were born after the war ended, having never known the rigors of slavery, would not be entitled to any reparations. Let's be fair.

Is this a 'You didn't build that' moment?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Is this a 'You didn't build that' moment?

I don't see any connection.

 

[bellisarius]

Monies taken from the uninvolved to transfer to the undeserving. A formula for civil war.

 

[Kantarii]

Definitely a formula for something. It just isn’t gonna translate into votes for the Democrats in 2020.

 

[jp55665566]

America must honor whatever was promised. It's the Christian thing to do. If you say that you are going to do something, you do it.

Especially when it's a legal contract/treaty. Any financial "reparations" given to descendants of former slaves would be immediately pumped back into the economy. End the Federal land-grab, and let citizens really share in the wealth of this Nation.