Climate continues to change.

[Hal9000_]

No. I admit CC is real and nothing can be done about it.

Then why do you claim that if "everyone, everywhere, stops using energy" that will "solve the problem"?

Wouldn't "everyone" be anthropogenic? And wouldn't burning fossil fuels be the cause of the climate change (Or at least a major contributing factor)

 

[stickygirl]

Interesting article in New Scientist this week about previous global temps back in the Pliocene and Eocene. We on course for temps that haven't been seen for 300k years, but it was a science publication, which has no place here.

 

[von_Bismarck]

New Scientist usually does good work. I check their site regularly.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Then why do you claim that if "everyone, everywhere, stops using energy" that will "solve the problem"?

Wouldn't "everyone" be anthropogenic? And wouldn't burning fossil fuels be the cause of the climate change (Or at least a major contributing factor)

I'm sure it's one factor. So is the sun. But nobody will make MONEY and POWER (over other people) if it's just nature.

 

[Hal9000_]

I'm sure it's one factor. So is the sun. But nobody will make MONEY and POWER (over other people) if it's just nature.

The sun has been ruled out as a current major factor causing warming.

Carbon forcing is the definitive cause. Based on actual physical evidence. Not conjecture.

http://carbonconnections.bscs.org/curriculum/unit-01/lesson-03.php

 

[von_Bismarck]

It's falling on deaf ears, I'm afraid.

 

[Hal9000_]

It's falling on deaf ears, I'm afraid.

Not really. Just against their agenda.

 

[OldJourno]

The sun has been ruled out as a current major factor causing warming.

Carbon forcing is the definitive cause. Based on actual physical evidence. Not conjecture.

http://carbonconnections.bscs.org/curriculum/unit-01/lesson-03.php

Oh, certainly we can rule out the sun when it comes to warming. Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph.
Foolishness, really, to think the sun has anything to do with warming.

 

[Hal9000_]

Oh, certainly we can rule out the sun when it comes to warming. Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph.
Foolishness, really, to think the sun has anything to do with warming.

Look up solar irradiance measurements sometime.

The sun ain't getting hotter.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sdo/science/Solar**0Irradiance.html

 

[gunthernehmen]

The sun has been ruled out as a current major factor causing warming.

Carbon forcing is the definitive cause. Based on actual physical evidence. Not conjecture.

http://carbonconnections.bscs.org/curriculum/unit-01/lesson-03.php

THEN STOP USING ENERGY.

Oh look. Your computer is still on.

 

[Hal9000_]

THEN STOP USING ENERGY.

Oh look. Your computer is still on.

MY COMPUTER IS SOLAR POWERED.

(ok..not really, but why can't it be?)

Answer: PEOPLE LIKE YOU!



http://www.vintagecalculators.com/assets/images/SharpEL825_1.JPG

 

[gunthernehmen]

MY COMPUTER IS SOLAR POWERED.

(ok..not really, but why can't it be?)

Answer: PEOPLE LIKE YOU!



http://www.vintagecalculators.com/assets/images/SharpEL825_1.JPG

If you're serious about ACC, then you are hardly the person that should be advocating for us to adopt solar.

Unless you LIKE strip mines, chemical processing plants and paying through the nose for tax subsidies so that solar "looks" economically viable. Let alone the toxic waste when the cells have to be replaced in 20-30 years.

Until humans are reduced to living in mud huts and praying to the gods that there will be good hunting tomorrow, we will affect the environment / climate to some degree. If you are correct, then give up your home, car and your solar powered computer (which is connected to the internet, in turn comprised of countless, concrete block buildings filled with (indirectly) fossil fuel powered computers talking with each other over satellite links and fiber cable laid in trenches that span continents).

Not exactly keeping a small carbon footprint, are you?

I'm comfortable in my 3,000 sq foot, HVAC convenienced home (although I do choose to heat mostly with wood for my own comfort), equipped with a gas range, running hot and cold water, dishwasher (indirectly powered by those pesky fossil fuels) and I'll be hoping in my individual transportation in a few minutes (a F350 diesel, btw) to go to work in my air conditioned office.

I'm not giving it up. And here's the really humorous part:

Despite your complaints about the evils of ACC, neither are YOU.

 

[phrodeau]

You keep using fossil fuel, and I’ll use renewables. We’ll see who runs out first.

 

[thør]

Dear colleagues,

Please consider submitting your AGU abstract to the following exciting interdisciplinary session on linkages between the cryosphere and atmosphere.

A023 - Aerosols, Clouds and Chemistry in Polar and Pristine Regions
Processes and feedback mechanisms in polar and pristine regions, including mountainous regions such as the third pole, are poorly understood, but play key roles in rapid observed changes and the pre-industrial baselines used to understand the Earth's climate system. Changes in these regions propagate globally, impacting weather, ecosystems and geopolitics. Trace gases, aerosols, clouds, precipitation and ecosystem chemical cycling are influenced by atmospheric, snow/ice, oceanic and biosphere processes. Anthropogenic and natural emissions, as well as long-range transport and deposition of atmospheric constituents affect ecosystems, air quality/human health, and climate in these regions.
This session invites contributions on progress from field, modeling, and laboratory studies aiming to understand properties and processes related to atmospheric composition of polar and pristine regions. This can include studies on atmospheric aerosols, trace gases, transport, processing, aerosol-cloud interactions, snow-ice interactions, trace constituent recycling, ice-core proxy/natural background studies, deposition, as well as climatic, ecological and societal impacts.

Conveners: Paul Zieger (Stockholm University), Markus M Frey (British Antarctic Survey), Christina Williamson (NOAA/CIRES), Kerri Pratt (University of Michigan)

 

[thør]

Plant those trees!

 

[von_Bismarck]

Kelp farms might be just as, or nearly as beneficial as planting trees. And with drone technology, tree planting is cheap. Very cheap, relatively speaking.

It's why the false dilemma crap is so head shaking. There are many solutions already available. More in the foreseeable future. It's just a matter of policy and acting.

 

[butters]

if only they'll do it!

this was the motto my economics, biology and geography teachers stood by back in '73:

plant a tree in '73, plant one more in '74

we were taught about global warming back then. it's sad to see mass deforestation is still taking place in our rainforests.

it'd be cool to see landowners take it upon themselves to dedicate at least 1/5th of their acreage to tree growth.

 

[Dribble]

Kelp farms might be just as, or nearly as beneficial as planting trees. And with drone technology, tree planting is cheap. Very cheap, relatively speaking.

It's why the false dilemma crap is so head shaking. There are many solutions already available. More in the foreseeable future. It's just a matter of policy and acting.

The problem w algae, any algae, macro or micro, is that it respires at night, using up the available oxygen, and leading to massive animal die-offs. Balance is not easily maintained.

Although trees respire as well, they dont kill surrounding life. The issue w trees, they dont photosynthesize in the winter. This is one of the big issues w the quoted article. But at least the naysayers are coming on board....planting trees will help, but it is not a total solution.

 

[von_Bismarck]

The problem w algae, any algae, macro or micro, is that it respires at night, using up the available oxygen, and leading to massive animal die-offs. Balance is not easily maintained.

Although trees respire as well, they dont kill surrounding life. The issue w trees, they dont photosynthesize in the winter. This is one of the big issues w the quoted article. But at least the naysayers are coming on board....planting trees will help, but it is not a total solution.

The first drawback I see these authors acknowledge is that afforestation (whether terrestrial or oceanic) cannot be continued in perpetuity. It can only offset so many decades of CO2 emissions. I'm not sure how well the authors account for the processes you mention in the original research articles. For what it's worth, my knowledge of ocean afforestation comes primarily from "Negative Carbon Via Ocean Afforestation."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259892834_Negative_Carbon_Via_Ocean_Afforestation

 

[stickygirl]

Plant those trees!

Except for facts. Yes growing trees take CO2 from the atmosphere but in a mature forest, the CO2 is released again as microbes process decaying wood and reach a state of balance: CO2 taken in and adsorbed. In the short term, there is a gain to be made and who doesn't like trees? In the long term, it's not the solution we need.
https://www.gardenmyths.com/forests-remove-co2/

eta
Too many frigging people is the problem

 

[Hal9000_]

If you're serious about ACC, then you are hardly the person that should be advocating for us to adopt solar.

Unless you LIKE strip mines, chemical processing plants and paying through the nose for tax subsidies so that solar "looks" economically viable. Let alone the toxic waste when the cells have to be replaced in 20-30 years.

Until humans are reduced to living in mud huts and praying to the gods that there will be good hunting tomorrow, we will affect the environment / climate to some degree. If you are correct, then give up your home, car and your solar powered computer (which is connected to the internet, in turn comprised of countless, concrete block buildings filled with (indirectly) fossil fuel powered computers talking with each other over satellite links and fiber cable laid in trenches that span continents).

Not exactly keeping a small carbon footprint, are you?

I'm comfortable in my 3,000 sq foot, HVAC convenienced home (although I do choose to heat mostly with wood for my own comfort), equipped with a gas range, running hot and cold water, dishwasher (indirectly powered by those pesky fossil fuels) and I'll be hoping in my individual transportation in a few minutes (a F350 diesel, btw) to go to work in my air conditioned office.

I'm not giving it up. And here's the really humorous part:

Despite your complaints about the evils of ACC, neither are YOU.

Quote "my complaints", please. You can't. Quote where I have posited even one "solution". I simply acknowledge it exists while you create false dilemmas and dance around it.

I really couldn't care less where you live or what you drive. However, I do tend to think that grown men who commute to their office jobs by themseleves in 4x4 diesel trucks are usually overcompensating for something.

 

[gunthernehmen]

You keep using fossil fuel, and I’ll use renewables. We’ll see who runs out first.

That's easy. Neither of us. Even if we both live to a ripe old age it'll all last much longer than will. I've got 10, maybe 20 years left. After that you all can burn or whatever.

 

[thør]

Except for facts. Yes growing trees take CO2 from the atmosphere but in a mature forest, the CO2 is released again as microbes process decaying wood and reach a state of balance: CO2 taken in and adsorbed. In the short term, there is a gain to be made and who doesn't like trees? In the long term, it's not the solution we need.
https://www.gardenmyths.com/forests-remove-co2/

eta
Too many frigging people is the problem

Zyklon B!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Except for facts. Yes growing trees take CO2 from the atmosphere but in a mature forest, the CO2 is released again as microbes process decaying wood and reach a state of balance: CO2 taken in and adsorbed. In the short term, there is a gain to be made and who doesn't like trees? In the long term, it's not the solution we need.
https://www.gardenmyths.com/forests-remove-co2/

eta
Too many frigging people is the problem

Myth or not, I like trees. Plant em if you got em.

However, dead on with the population. Way too many people.

 

[InsightRiot]

Bombshell Claim: Scientists Find "Man-made Climate Change Doesn't Exist In Practice"

Hilarious