The 124th week of Trump Fuckups!

[JackLuis]

Because they have no assurance the marshals will show up with the handcuffs. Thus far the Trump administration's coup attempt for the takeover of the country is working pretty well for them--while the Republicans in Congress sit on their hands and see any power in their jobs frittering away.

Well then press the issue, and make the Police/FBI/US Marshals Service decide if they want to enforce the law or bend over for the Trumpinski's. Force the thin blue line to choose, the Constitution or the Monarchy. There is no middle ground here.

Cite Barr, Mnuchin and etc for Criminal Contempt and get the Judiciary involved, NOW not later this year after Trump does something REALLY Stupider.

Lumpy's new Mexican tariffs/taxes will suck another $20 billion out of the economy and make the next Presidents job a hell of a lot harder.

Nancy's timidness is just reinforcing the negative view of Congress, who's approval ratings are lower than Trumps now and dipping.

Lead, follow, or get out of the fucking way!

 

[KeithD]

Well then press the issue, and make the Police/FBI/US Marshals Service decide if they want to enforce the law or bend over for the Trumpinski's. Force the thin blue line to choose, the Constitution or the Monarchy. There is no middle ground here.

Cite Barr, Mnuchin and etc for Criminal Contempt and get the Judiciary involved, NOW not later this year after Trump does something REALLY Stupider.

Lumpy's new Mexican tariffs/taxes will suck another $20 billion out of the economy and make the next Presidents job a hell of a lot harder.

Nancy's timidness is just reinforcing the negative view of Congress, who's approval ratings are lower than Trumps now and dipping.

Lead, follow, or get out of the fucking way!

I don't think you're talking to me on this--or you haven't been reading my posts of late.

You asked why THEY aren't pressing the issue harder. THEY don't think, from experience, that the marshals will show up. THEY don't think the U.S. Government will enforce the law.

 

[JackLuis]

I don't think you're talking to me on this--or you haven't been reading my posts of late.

You asked why THEY aren't pressing the issue harder. THEY don't think, from experience, that the marshals will show up. THEY don't think the U.S. Government will enforce the law.

They are the Government, at least one branch. Push this into the Judiciary, who the Marshals work for and see if the Judiciary will put up with OBSTRUCTION! If Congress does not ACT then it all turns to the 2nd Amendment solution.

I read your posts and think you are wrong to not be more aggressive with these ass holes. In 50 years of closely watching our Government erode into pusillanimity when confronted by Bankers, Corporate Corruption and assorted 1%ers, only to use their power against the powerless, the whistle blowers and the resisters, I'm mad as hell and will speak my mind.

If Nancy want to 'pump the breaks' she should at least allow the Committees to push forward aggressively so she looks like a 'moderating influence' and not just another obstructionist!

 

[KeithD]

They aren't the enforcement part of government. Give it a break. Along with handing out the subpoenas to begin with and seeing them ignored, they undoubtedly see that enforcing them will likely be ignored too and that, indeed, is a constitutional crisis--quite possibly a collapse of the whole system crisis.

Obviously you have the leisure not to consider consequences. I considered them when I switched over from just cutting at him until to the elections to needing to establish the principle that the system can't endure this by formally impeaching him now.

Kindly point to the Legislative Branch police force and prisons controlled and directed by committees of Congress.

 

[JackLuis]

They aren't the enforcement part of government. Give it a break. Along with handing out the subpoenas to begin with and seeing them ignored, they undoubtedly see that enforcing them will likely be ignored too and that, indeed, is a constitutional crisis--quite possibly a collapse of the whole system crisis.

Obviously you have the leisure not to consider consequences. I considered them when I switched over from just cutting at him until to the elections to needing to establish the principle that the system can't endure this by formally impeaching him now.

Kindly point to the Legislative Branch police force and prisons controlled and directed by committees of Congress.

I understand your point of view. This is a Constitutional Crisis already. If Congress dilly dallies they will force the people to lose heart and give up on the whole thing. They will say, if Congress can not work up the gumption to act, then there is no hope of Trumpanzies not taking over the world. I mean we're all going to die in a overheated hell in just a few decades, so what is the point?

If, however the Congress and the Judiciary resist the Executive and shame the FBI to act with them, the Orangutang goes to jail and his minions are scattered or imprisoned.

We went thru this over Princess Hillary, who is not a leader, but a cheerleader for the Eastern Establishment Corporatists. The people who violently opposed Hillary, for their own reasons, put Trump on the Throne. A few hundred thousand votes in selected states, that Hillary overlooked, doomed Democracy in America and you want me to be patient with the 'experienced people' who have let this country down for decades?

Obama should have jammed Cheney up for War Crimes and outing Ms Plame. He should have jammed 'W' for his part in the fiasco that was Iraq/Afghanistan. He should not have sanctioned the CIA's remote droning of ... Well Everybody!

Do you honestly think that any of this would have happened if Billy Bob had been convicted in the Senate for perjury, if he had been held to a higher standard than the average Redneck in Arkansas? Or if GHW Bush had been held accountable for his actions in Central America and Panama? Or if Ronnie RayGun had been held responsible for his actions in Iran/Contra? Talk about perjury!

Your Ms Pilosi is complicit in the decline of America and you want me to feel comfortable, all warm and fuzzy, because she's the political genius, that she is watching our backs? Sorry Pilot, don't tell me that the Brewster Buffalo of the House is a F4U, hell she has no ammo and no way of getting any if she doesn't aggressively unleash the Hounds of Hell on the Rethuglicans, in the Executive and Senate. When Senators feel the overwhelming pressure of Congressional investigations into their re-election money, she will have her majority for conviction in the Senate, not before.

Is she, and are you, willing to let Trump run again, no doubt with Russian assistance in the hope that some limp dicked Corporate Whore will beat him? Nancy has one chance to do this before 2020 and she's running out of time

 

[KeithD]

Is she, and are you, willing to let Trump run again,

Were you somehow under the misconception that I (or you) have a vote on that question? That said, what part of my "start impeachment now" posts I'd been posting here for weeks--after Elizabeth Warren's call for it, giving her reasons why--have floated right over your head? What in the hell do you think I can do/say more than that?

I suspect Nancy isn't taking the simplistic (and somewhat naïve) view of it that you are and we'll have to see what she does.

 

[JackLuis]

Were you somehow under the misconception that I (or you) have a vote on that question? That said, what part of my "start impeachment now" posts I'd been posting here for weeks--after Elizabeth Warren's call for it, giving her reasons why--have floated right over your head? What in the hell do you think I can do/say more than that?

I suspect Nancy isn't taking the simplistic (and somewhat naïve) view of it that you are and we'll have to see what she does.

No shit! Ms Nancy will dilly dally and drag this out and in typical Demonrat fashion, fuck it up and lose. You can put your faith in her 'expertize' but we shall see.

 

[icanhelp1]

They are the Government, at least one branch. Push this into the Judiciary, who the Marshals work for and see if the Judiciary will put up with OBSTRUCTION! If Congress does not ACT then it all turns to the 2nd Amendment solution.

I read your posts and think you are wrong to not be more aggressive with these ass holes. In 50 years of closely watching our Government erode into pusillanimity when confronted by Bankers, Corporate Corruption and assorted 1%ers, only to use their power against the powerless, the whistle blowers and the resisters, I'm mad as hell and will speak my mind.

If Nancy want to 'pump the breaks' she should at least allow the Committees to push forward aggressively so she looks like a 'moderating influence' and not just another obstructionist!

The contempt citations are without teeth. See, the executive branch is forcing Nadler and Nancy to file suit in court to enforce the contempt citations, or Barr stays in contempt under executive privilege just like Holder did. Holder was in contempt for both criminal and civil and in bipartisan fashion. Nadler change the norms for questioning Barr, he wanted to use lawyers for hire. The people want for their representatives to do the questioning, that's who they voted for, not hit men from outside of congress. They don't have a leg to stand on for impeachment. Nadler and his merry band of idiots are trying to impeach based on emotions, to impeach because you don't like someone is a fool's errand. They have no standing other than political wishful thinking. Lot's of banter and no substance. Nadler has conned everyone. This is a personal revenge agenda between Nadler and Trump since 1984 and he's dragging everyone down with him.

SOOOOOO WHAT!! Even if Trump ordered the firing, so what! Trump, under constitutional law [ article II sec III ] was within his constitutional authority to fire Mueller. THE PRESIDENT runs the DOJ and is well within his purview. The special counsel had no legislative role to play, had no association or obligation to congress at all!!! Trump should have fired Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller my opinion. This obstruction of justice case for firing Mueller is political wishful thinking. Just what law did Trump violate for obstruction of justice. I read the report and section II and it hangs its legal hat on opinion and innuendo. They state facts in such a way as to lead you to believe what was done was illegal Lots and lots of legal verbiage that doesn't amount to a hill of beans. If you read into the report carefully you can refute every sentence written in that report based on case law, starting with Flynn, FISA , inappropriate surveillance [ sec 702 ], a criminal investigation that is so flawed, you could argue the predicate for the investigation didn't legally exist. If impeachment proceedings get through the house it continues on to the senate. When the items for obstruction are cross examined, they will fall flat and well short of criminal intent.

Then there is the OLC bullshit and Mueller's dereliction of duty But Clinton on the other hand does have issues with obstruction of justice. Spare me the Hillary is without fault bullshit. Anyone with just a tiny bit of objectivity and could just make an attempt to put aside TDS would see right through the political bullshit. Anyone who spews that banter doesn't know what they are talking about.

 

[KeithD]

No shit! Ms Nancy will dilly dally and drag this out and in typical Demonrat fashion, fuck it up and lose. You can put your faith in her 'expertize' but we shall see.

Neither you nor I know where this will be even next week. And, once again, don't ascribe positions to me that I'm not taking. For weeks I've advocated immediate movement into impeachment on this board, which is not Pelosi's current position. Stop being an asshat. If you and others hadn't been so naïve about Bernie Sanders's run and reacted as you did when he couldn't steal a party he didn't belong to, we wouldn't be in this fix with Trump.

P.S. have you come up with the names of those enforcement officers and prisons at the complete disposable of members of Congress yet to arrest and imprison government officials--or is this just another thing you're breezing over in stubbornly ascribing positions to posters they aren't taking in your naïve understanding of how government actually works (or doesn't, when I president won't play within the law)?

 

[phrodeau]

Each house of Congress has a Sergeant At Arms with the authority to arrest and confine those who deserve it, and there is a holding cell nearby.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ls-locked-up-if-contempt-congress/1154047001/

 

[JackLuis]

Trump’s entire worldview left in tatters after facing a bit of scientific scrutiny:

Washington Post opinion writer, Greg Sargent, explained how “Trumpism” is making America worse. Trump has long promised that his world-view and particular way of handling business and negotiating would make America great. However, everything Trump touches is failing.

“The damage caused by Trump’s trade wars bleeding into an undermining of the tax cut’s minuscule low-end benefits — provides a new occasion to revisit the failures and fraudulence of the superstructure of policies and priorities often described as Trumpism,” he wrote in a column on Tuesday.

“Trump still may well retain an advantage on the economy if it remains good. But it’s also plausible that the unpopularity of all these strands of Trumponomics — the trade wars, the immigration cruelties, the tax cuts — will come together to persuade voters that the economy is good in spite of all the spectacular failures of ‘America First’ Trumpism and that they can have the former without the latter,” he said.

 

[JackLuis]

Each house of Congress has a Sergeant At Arms with the authority to arrest and confine those who deserve it, and there is a holding cell nearby.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ls-locked-up-if-contempt-congress/1154047001/

Thanks for the tip Phrodeau. See Pilot, you don't know everything. Also the DC cops are run by Congress like everything in D.C.

However Nancy needs to get the Judiciary involved, even if it is just to bump cases up the ladder to the Supreme Court. Remember Trump hires only the beast lawyers!

 

[KeithD]

Each house of Congress has a Sergeant At Arms with the authority to arrest and confine those who deserve it, and there is a holding cell nearby.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ls-locked-up-if-contempt-congress/1154047001/

How are they going to get anyone out of one of the government office buildings and over to the Capitol building? They aren't showing up as subpoenaed. Some of you folks aren't getting how fundamentally the norms of government are being ignored and challenged here.

 

[KeithD]

Thanks for the tip Phrodeau. See Pilot, you don't know everything. Also the DC cops are run by Congress like everything in D.C.

However Nancy needs to get the Judiciary involved, even if it is just to bump cases up the ladder to the Supreme Court. Remember Trump hires only the beast lawyers!

I answered that. Neither one of you have actually worked in the government, I can see. Pie in the sky, guys. I can see why you'd think Bernie was the answer for anything.

The fallback is the judiciary, which the Republicans have been busy packing.

What up and smell the shit, guys.

 

[phrodeau]

How are they going to get anyone out of one of the government office buildings and over to the Capitol building? They aren't showing up as subpoenaed. Some of you folks aren't getting how fundamentally the norms of government are being ignored and challenged here.

That's a good point. I have wondered if Trump would ever be put on the No-Fly list.

 

[KeithD]

That's a good point. I have wondered if Trump would ever be put on the No-Fly list.

I think he'll be wrapped up in the end; I'm just afraid he'll do a Mama Cass on us before that happens and leave unpunished.

 

[JackLuis]

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is ready to see Trump ‘in prison’

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) might be holding her caucus back on impeachment, but she admitted Wednesday that she’d like to see him “in prison.”

The moment came during a tense meeting with Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY), Politico reported. Multiple sources said that many officials have been battling behind closed doors about investigations into Trump.

“I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison,” Pelosi said, according to sources. She still wants to see him fall at the ballot box, but the results of Trump losing the 2020 elections would likely mean several criminal trials.

She said she supports the pro-impeachment branch of her caucus but disputes the idea that now is the time to move in.

Pelosi has said in the past that certain conditions must be met before she agrees to move in that direction.

“Make no mistake, we know exactly what path we’re on. We know exactly what actions we need to take,” Pelosi told reporters earlier Wednesday. She then pounded on the podium for emphasis.

Actions speak louder than mere whimpering, Nancy. Get on with it Madam Speaker!

 

[icanhelp1]

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is ready to see Trump ‘in prison’



Actions speak louder than mere whimpering, Nancy. Get on with it Madam Speaker!

And we'd like to see Schiff, Nadler and Nancy's tax returns. Nancy is a washed up old prune. Hollowed out democrats are littering the landscape chasing pie in the sky utopia. Take a minute and just imagine Beto O'Rourke as president or even big Bill de Blasio. Doesn't that scare you at all?

 

[JackLuis]

I answered that. Neither one of you have actually worked in the government, I can see. Pie in the sky, guys. I can see why you'd think Bernie was the answer for anything.

The fallback is the judiciary, which the Republicans have been busy packing.

What up and smell the shit, guys.

Ya know Pilot, as much as I give you credit for spending all those years as part of the Dark State, fighting the War of Words, you do suffer from a particularly awesome lack of humility. You have no idea what I, or Phrodeau have done over the years or what our experiences have been.

I have spent most of my life working for, or with the Federal Government. I didn't find it particularly satisfying, but it kept my family fed and clothed.

The one impression I gained from all that experience is that often times people will develop a certain arrogance after a career of setting behind a desk filling out the paper work that the bureaucracy depends upon.

In my private business experience I learned that many people who went thru the chairs climbing the ladder and hadn't been found wanting, and fired for incompetence, develop a feeling of superiority as a way of compensating for their own mediocrity.

Not all of us are an Einstein or Heisenberg, however I have found that truly intelligent people develop the understanding that all people deserve some respect, unless they are complete idiots like Trumpski.

While my years on Literotica made me realize just how diverse our society is, and how many of our citizens feel a need for a Leader. Have you ever read Eric From's "True Believer"? It is amazing that so many people become True Believers rather than using their own critical thinking.

Nancy's problem is similar to LBJ's, the inability to understand the nature of an insurgency. On the one hand LBJ didn't understand how to fight one, and Nancy doesn't understand how to stage one.

Nancy doesn't want to cause controversy she wants to depend upon the Democratic Party defeating Trump in the next election. This is not a winning strategy against a Bullying ass hole like Trumpski. You have to hit him every day four or five times, HARD! You have to kick him while he is down, right in the nads! You have to hit him from every angle, his AG, his Treasury, his ego and by enlisting allies to keep up the pressure.

 

[JackLuis]

And we'd like to see Schiff, Nadler and Nancy's tax returns. Nancy is a washed up old prune. Hollowed out democrats are littering the landscape chasing pie in the sky utopia. Take a minute and just imagine Beto O'Rourke as president or even big Bill de Blasio. Doesn't that scare you at all?

My personal preference is Warren, at present. She is intelligent, capable, aggressive and scares the shit out of Wall Street!. Harris would make an excellent AG, she is aggressive and knowledgeable, but too tied into the establishment to be my choice for Prez.

Of the score of Democrats running only five, or maybe six stand any chance at all of winning the primary. I expect most of them are running to develop name recognition in hopes that they will get a cabinet position or set up a run in 2028/32.

I'd like to see Mitch and Grassley's tax returns and a deep audit of the sources of their campaign funding.

 

[JackLuis]

GOP fractures over Trump’s tariffs

President Donald Trump’s threats to impose blunt new tariffs on Mexico has unleashed a circular firing squad among Republicans in Congress.

A bloc of Senate Republicans is threatening to put up a veto-proof majority to block the tariffs if Trump moves forward by using his national emergency powers. But most House Republicans and another faction of GOP senators say their colleagues are making a mistake by undercutting the president on one of his signature issues.

 

[JackLuis]

Military to spend a month painting border barriers to "improve aesthetic appearance"

It would be a lot cheaper to get the community involved with painting murals on them and not piss off so many hard to recruit soldiers.

 

[JackLuis]

Irish funeral firm rents out four limousines to Trump for $1m

They are, by all accounts, wheels to die for. JP Ward & Sons, an Irish funeral services home, rents out its fleet of Mercedes E-Class limousines not just to mourners but to anyone who wants to travel in style.

A killer price tag has not deterred the latest customer: the White House. It is so keen to use the vehicles for Donald Trump’s two-day visit to Ireland that it is spending nearly $1m (£788,000) of US taxpayers’ money to rent them.

The Trump administration paid the family-owned firm based in Bray, County Wicklow, $935,033 in four tranches, according to USASpending.gov, an official portal that records federal government spending.
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The state department did not immediately respond to a request for confirmation that the outlay was to rent four vehicles, which would work out at $233,748 per vehicle.

Such a deal!

 

[JackLuis]

Lies? The news media is starting to describe Trump’s ‘falsehoods’ that way.

It’s (almost) official: The president of the United States is a liar.

This will not come as a revelation to people who have closely followed President Trump’s public statements and Twitter feed and have long doubted his veracity. It is, instead, a late-dawning recognition by mainstream news organizations, which until fairly recently shied away from branding the president’s many questionable utterances as outright lies.

Nowadays, many in the news media are no longer bothering to grant Trump the benefit of the doubt. In routine news and feature stories, Trump’s dishonesty carries no fig leaf. It is described baldly.

As recently as last summer, a debate still raged within newsrooms: Could a presidential statement, no matter how blatantly false, be deemed a “lie” since, by definition, the word implies awareness of falsity and intent to deceive? How can journalists know what’s in Trump’s mind, even when he repeatedly says transparently untrue things, such as “the wall is under construction right now” on the southern border with Mexico, or that the United States pays “a disproportionate share” of the cost of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)?

It's not a Lie if he believes it?

 

[icanhelp1]

My personal preference is Warren, at present. She is intelligent, capable, aggressive and scares the shit out of Wall Street!. Harris would make an excellent AG, she is aggressive and knowledgeable, but too tied into the establishment to be my choice for Prez.

Of the score of Democrats running only five, or maybe six stand any chance at all of winning the primary. I expect most of them are running to develop name recognition in hopes that they will get a cabinet position or set up a run in 2028/32.

I'd like to see Mitch and Grassley's tax returns and a deep audit of the sources of their campaign funding.

Believe it or not Warren is a very business and bank savy senator. I watched her presentations on CSPAN and I have a lot of respect for her knowledge of the banking industry. Her centris ideals and distrust of large corporations is a healthy mind set our country needs. Some of her regulations would be healthy but then she mucks it up with the single payer system and her far left agenda. I agree with child care assistance but disagree with free tuition for all. I believe expanded medicare but to dismantle our healthcare system is economic suicide. If she had the courage to be independent of these other trolls and follow her business sense she would give me pause for thought. She's a very smart lady but when she tries to outleft AOC and others I pull back.