Climate continues to change.

[Que]

These findings are logical? They're either wrong, without proper context, or completely unsubstantiated.

You tell 'em!

Ask Rob if "you" can borrow his handy, dandy "refudiation" sheet and get to refudiating

#6 states that there has been statistically significant warming.

. . .and?

 

[thør]

And then, big oil has something to say.

 

[about_average]

And then, big oil has something to say.

Can you provide a brief synopsis, or a good quote I can search on? I don't really want to subscribe.

 

[thør]

Can you provide a brief synopsis, or a good quote I can search on? I don't really want to subscribe.

On that FT page, there was the article title, "Why BP supports a fast shift to low carbon" which is searchable. If you follow @BP_America on Twitter, the links work with no requirement for subscription to FT.

But, you can read the text of the talks: Helge and Bob.

 

[RichardBentwood]

The climate has been changing since God created it.

 

[about_average]

On that FT page, there was the article title, "Why BP supports a fast shift to low carbon" which is searchable. If you follow @BP_America on Twitter, the links work with no requirement for subscription to FT.

But, you can read the text of the talks: Helge and Bob.

Thanks

 

[trysail]

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[trysail]

It is becoming increasingly obvious that the output of the climate computer models that has been used to manufacture the entire climate "crisis" is complete bosh.


This is not the first time that a large (and clueless) swath of the populace has been deluded by unverified computer models of an immensely complex (possibly chaotic), non-linear, dynamic system where the independent variables and their very coefficients are unknown.


What is particularly odious is that the purveyors of this crap have completely deluded a substantial proportion of an entire generation. One can't help but wonder how those who have been taken in will react when they eventually come to realize just how badly they've been misled.


Not as large a proportion of the populace were fooled by the early '70s version of Doomsday (The Limits To Growth) but those who were never forgot the false claims and the scare that was based entirely on worthless computer models.


Thirty years from now, will Greta Thunburg still be undergoing intense therapy for the callous abuse suffered at the hands of the parents who have used her to promote their own delusion? Will the public still point and laugh at the idiots who glued themselves to London buildings and buses as the result of their bizarre and completely deranged belief ?


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[Kantarii]

The climate has been changing since God created it.

And man has been trying to control it forever with no luck. The best things that have come from that battle are probably sun screen, an unberella, a warm jacket, and central heating & air.

 

[von_Bismarck]

It is becoming increasingly obvious that the output of the climate computer models that has been used to manufacture the entire climate "crisis" is complete bosh.


This is not the first time that a large (and clueless) swath of the populace has been deluded by unverified computer models of an immensely complex (possibly chaotic), non-linear, dynamic system where the independent variables and their very coefficients are unknown.


What is particularly odious is that the purveyors of this crap have completely deluded a substantial proportion of an entire generation. One can't help but wonder how those who have been taken in will react when they eventually come to realize just how badly they've been misled.


Not as large a proportion of the populace were fooled by the early '70s version of Doomsday (The Limits To Growth) but those who were never forgot the false claims and the scare that was based entirely on worthless computer models.


Thirty years from now, will Greta Thunburg still be undergoing intense therapy for the callous abuse suffered at the hands of the parents who have used her to promote their own delusion? Will the public still point and laugh at the idiots who glued themselves to London buildings and buses as the result of their bizarre and completely deranged belief ?


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Don't you need to repost this tripe to a few more threads, so nobody will care about it there, too?

 

[phrodeau]

Don't you need to repost this tripe to a few more threads, so nobody will care about it there, too?

It’s only an opinion piece, and not his falsified data.

 

[Que]

It’s only an opinion piece, and not his falsified data.

You sound rather indignant. It's a public forum, feel free to post your own falsified data.

Again.

 

[thør]

Wasting energy in North Dakota.

 

[OldJourno]

Finally, after all these years, columnist David Harsanyi has perfectly defined what global warming/climate change/global burning is really all about.

"Remember: When disaster is perpetually 10 years away, it’s never too late to send Democrats some of your money."

 

[gunthernehmen]

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[Luk]

Fourth-largest coal producer in the US files for bankruptcy

Oops.

 

[icanhelp1]

Fourth-largest coal producer in the US files for bankruptcy

Oops.

Natural progression, demands goes down, availability of alternative energy and cheap natural gas causes markets to change naturally. Good!, not oops!

 

[Que]

Natural progression, demands goes down, availability of alternative energy and cheap natural gas causes markets to change naturally. Good!, not oops!

Over his head. The whole supply and demand thing baffles him. They tried to bail Rob out in Rob's energy thread where Rob was hiding Rob actually took the bait and came back as if what Luk had said made sense.

Does Q-Bert not understand that consumer confidence and economic growth can contribute increased oil production without a policy?

Leaving aside the fact that consumer confidence and economic while rising slightly from their nadirs were, at the time if Luk's post still abysmally low he has it exactly backwards.

Strong consumer confidence and robust economic growth would increased the demand for oil. Increasing the demand for oil would not lower price increasing the demand would raise price. Production ramping up in order to meet that increased demand could account for increase production but not increase production with lower prices.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Over his head. The whole supply and demand thing baffles him. They tried to bail Rob out in Rob's energy thread wear Rob was hiding Rob actually took the bait and came back as if what Luk had said made sense.

How is what Rob was wearing relevant at all? Or are you suggesting Rob was worn?

 

[Luk]

Natural progression, demands goes down, availability of alternative energy and cheap natural gas causes markets to change naturally. Good!, not oops!

Over his head. The whole supply and demand thing baffles him. They tried to bail Rob out in Rob's energy thread wear Rob was hiding Rob actually took the bait and came back as if what Luk had said made sense.



Leaving aside the fact that consumer confidence and economic while rising slightly from their nadirs were, at the time if Luk's post still abysmally low he has it exactly backwards.

Strong consumer confidence and robust economic growth would increased the demand for oil. Increasing the demand for oil would not lower price increasing the demand would raise price. Production ramping up in order to meet that increased demand could account for increase production but not increase production with lower prices.

You two dummies missed the part where they were exposed for helping science deniers like yourselves fund bullshit.

Oops.

 

[trysail]

Global Warming: Is There Anything It Can't Do?

by Francis Menton, J.D.
(Francis Menton a/k/a "Manhattan Contrarian" is a Yale College graduate and retired partner of Wilkie, Farr & Gallagher LLP)

"...is there actually a measurable trend somewhere in the world showing that so-called “extreme” weather conditions are increasing? Of course, it’s the opposite. The people at AC (Alarmist Claim) Research have just updated their work on fact checking many of the usual alarmist claims about global warming, from droughts and floods to sea level rise to hurricanes and tornadoes and many others. The summary report, with a revision date of May 20, 2019, can be found here. The more detailed report as to the sub-topic of droughts and floods can be found here. From the introduction on the droughts and floods topic:

In testimony before Congress Professor Roger Pielke, Jr. said: “It is misleading, and just plain incorrect, to claim that disasters associated with hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, or droughts have increased on climate timescales either in the United States or globally. Droughts have, for the most part, become shorter, less frequent, and cover a smaller portion of the U.S. over the last century.”​

Go to the link for an abundance of charts and graphs showing U.S. and worldwide trends in droughts and floods, which universally are either flat or downward, not upward. The article in The Economist mentions specifically the Sahel region of Africa as one place where strife is supposedly increasing due to long-term drought. They seem completely unaware that the Sahel specifically has been experiencing increasing rainfall over the past several decades. Here is a 2011 Briefing Paper from the Global Warming Policy Foundation specifically on the subject of that trend in the Sahel, titled “The Sahel is Greening.” Excerpt:

The Sahara is actually shrinking, with vegetation arising on land where there was nothing but sand and rocks before. The southern border of the Sahara has been retreating since the early 1980s, making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa. There has been a spectacular regeneration of vegetation in northern Burkina Faso, which was devastated by drought and advancing deserts 20 years ago. . . . Vegetation has also increased significantly in the past 15 years in southern Mauritania, north-western Niger, central Chad, much of Sudan and parts of Eritrea.​

For more recent data on Sahel rainfall and greening, see this April 2019 article from Nature. But then, who needs facts when there’s a narrative to advance?..."


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[phrodeau]

Global Warming: Is There Anything It Can't Do?

by Francis Menton, J.D.
(Francis Menton a/k/a "Manhattan Contrarian" is a Yale College graduate and retired partner of Wilkie, Farr & Gallagher LLP)

"...is there actually a measurable trend somewhere in the world showing that so-called “extreme” weather conditions are increasing? Of course, it’s the opposite. The people at AC (Alarmist Claim) Research have just updated their work on fact checking many of the usual alarmist claims about global warming, from droughts and floods to sea level rise to hurricanes and tornadoes and many others. The summary report, with a revision date of May 20, 2019, can be found here. The more detailed report as to the sub-topic of droughts and floods can be found here. From the introduction on the droughts and floods topic:

In testimony before Congress Professor Roger Pielke, Jr. said: “It is misleading, and just plain incorrect, to claim that disasters associated with hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, or droughts have increased on climate timescales either in the United States or globally. Droughts have, for the most part, become shorter, less frequent, and cover a smaller portion of the U.S. over the last century.”​

Go to the link for an abundance of charts and graphs showing U.S. and worldwide trends in droughts and floods, which universally are either flat or downward, not upward. The article in The Economist mentions specifically the Sahel region of Africa as one place where strife is supposedly increasing due to long-term drought. They seem completely unaware that the Sahel specifically has been experiencing increasing rainfall over the past several decades. Here is a 2011 Briefing Paper from the Global Warming Policy Foundation specifically on the subject of that trend in the Sahel, titled “The Sahel is Greening.” Excerpt:

The Sahara is actually shrinking, with vegetation arising on land where there was nothing but sand and rocks before. The southern border of the Sahara has been retreating since the early 1980s, making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa. There has been a spectacular regeneration of vegetation in northern Burkina Faso, which was devastated by drought and advancing deserts 20 years ago. . . . Vegetation has also increased significantly in the past 15 years in southern Mauritania, north-western Niger, central Chad, much of Sudan and parts of Eritrea.​

For more recent data on Sahel rainfall and greening, see this April 2019 article from Nature. But then, who needs facts when there’s a narrative to advance?..."


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More proof that climate is changing. Thanks.

 

[von_Bismarck]

How much does trysail earn by promoting Watt's?

 

[Luk]

How much does trysail earn by promoting Watt's?

What are you whereing

 

[butters]

i think he fails to understand that, while some areas will benefit from more moisture in the air and warmer climes, the rise of sea-levels will mean a greater loss of currently habitable land... and that'll mean mass migration to those areas still above the waters. sucks if they take a leaf out of t's books and decide they need a wall to keep out those pesky 'muricans.

of course, it also means a lot more, like more extreme weather events of a destructive nature, the probable loss of the gulf stream system and all that entails. things that'd happen anyway, eventually, but why rush into it when some brakes can be applied?