Abortion

[RocketLauncher]

Thread tl;dr
Don't need to usual suspects spewing usual shite.
Wtf is Ammurikha's obsession with abortion? The only other places that are as concerned with this topic are third world shit holes, Muslims and Catholics (and we all know how whack they are).

 

[KimGordon67]

Your statement is not fact either. I have no idea how you can qualify without a doubt that at the point of conception science has proved it's not a person ( baby ). It's more about you want to believe it's not a baby, it's more about having an abortion rids you of a problem you created. This is not about science, it's something much larger than that. Many religions believe that at the time of conception a soul is also introduced. Unless you've experienced the afterlife you have no scientific basis for your hypothesis. This matter is about a strong religious belief.

I would have thought you could understand the moral issue here. So let's try this again. Your ignorance rings hollow again. I guess you being an agnostic you have no clue that there is a moral side to this argument, but you have to have a moral compass to engage with that idea. It seems your favorite tactic is to paint everything with a broad brush and oversimplify things to benefit your argument.

So, let me try to understand what you're spouting off here. So, if you are pro life then you don't have a clue as to how a woman's reproductive system works. You could argue that women who have unprotected sex don't understand either,[ MAN- WOMAN- SEX- BABY ] that insinuation is pretty far fetch, even coming from you, actually, that's pretty ridiculous. What's really sad is that if we disagree with you we're stupid, I guess that's a feel good way to win arguments; just call everybody whom disagrees with you 'STUPID'

You see, some people around here feel pretty strongly about protecting the defenseless and the innocent. Now most reasonable people would agree that a fetus gone wrong leading to a crippling defect requires hard analysis between the doctor and mother on allowing this fetus to come to full term and the effects it would have on both ( child and mother ). I believe that discussion starts and ends in that office and is no one else's business. The percentage of those abortions equate to approximately 2.66% of all abortions nation wide, a very small number, but you could argue a valid reason for abortion. Only the hardest of the pro life would argue against an abortion, one being the Catholic church, which is against all abortions. Once again save your 'priest are pettifiles' for a rainy day argument.

I can smell your teeny teeny weeny brain working overtime now. So let's choose some other categories of abortion, a previous year's statistics,

1. <0.5% victim of rape
2. 4% physical health problems ( mother )
3. 2.6% abnormal fetus
4. 0.001 INCEST

TOTAL 7.2 % ( approximately ) most reasonable people would accept as legitimate.

Other reasons for abortion that rings pretty shallow for destroying a life, all these statistics are preventable with a little planning. We live in a time where morality is fading in our society and where any self indulgence can be justified. Having sex is not the culprit, it's killing a baby that is. You and your tag team partners can banter with all your adhominems and vile name calling but it doesn't change anything. Here some more statistics why women are having abortions. You preach that continuing to full term makes people's lives miserable so you destroy the baby in the name of women's rights, you're hypocrites!

1. 4% would interfere with college
2. 7% not mature enough to raise a child
3. 8% don't want to be a single mother
4. 19% don't want more children
5. 23% can't afford another baby
6. 25% not ready for a child
7. 6% other

Total 92.8%....... pro life would consider unacceptable, irresponsible and immoral. Planned parenthood's bread and butter! Kill the little girl or guy for money for the sake of women's right to choose. It's not about women's rights, it about taking the easy way out because they fucked up. I want to say one other thing, GUYS WHO WALK AWAY FROM THAT WOMAN AFTER THE DEED IS DONE AND DON'T ACCEPT EQUAL SHARE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY ARE THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST FORMS OF LIFE ON THE PLANET, PIECES OF SHIT!!!..... A little planning goes a long way. Want to play but not pay. It's not like there is no place for these babies to go, there are many thousands of couples who would take them in a heartbeat. Just think If your mom changed her mind about you, well, we would certainly miss all your B__L S__T, *** JUST SAYING***.

Approximately 51% abort by week seven, but then the argument becomes, when is a baby a baby?

Yes, there is a moral issue here - you're quite right.
The moral issue: people make mistakes, especially in relation to sex. I know some people contributing to this thread will struggle with this concept, but some people have a LOT of sex in their lives, and don't act 100% rationally every single time they do so. (That's not including the instances of genuine contraception failure.) By denying those people access to abortion, society is effectively saying 'sorry you made a slip up in a moment of passion [or sorry the contraception you did use responsibly wasn't entirely effective], but we're going to make you carry the can for that for 18 years in an immediate sense, and longer in terms of the ongoing effects that child will have on your life. Maybe both of you, maybe only one of you. Also, your baby probably won't have that much fun, because you're not really in a position to care for it properly, but that's OK - at least they will be alive'.
Personally, I think that's morally repugnant.

To defend that position based on YOUR religious beliefs doesn't make it any less repugnant - Americans seem pretty happy to rail against non-Christian religions when those religions are used to control people's behaviour, so maybe be a bit consistent about that. If YOUR religion states that a soul is created at the moment of conception, then YOU shouldn't have an abortion ... but to use that belief to rationalise denying abortions to others is effectively forcing your religions beliefs onto them.

(Also accusing me et al of using 'ad hominems' just after referring to my 'teeny weeny brain' is a tad hypocritical.)
(Also, the worst bit of name-calling I've engaged in in this thread was 'doofus'. )

 

[Atwistedkitten]

Here we go again! Men thinking there the MASTERS of the UTERUS!!

 

[docoral]

Yes, there is a moral issue here - you're quite right.
The moral issue: people make mistakes, especially in relation to sex. I know some people contributing to this thread will struggle with this concept, but some people have a LOT of sex in their lives, and don't act 100% rationally every single time they do so. (That's not including the instances of genuine contraception failure.) By denying those people access to abortion, society is effectively saying 'sorry you made a slip up in a moment of passion [or sorry the contraception you did use responsibly wasn't entirely effective], but we're going to make you carry the can for that for 18 years in an immediate sense, and longer in terms of the ongoing effects that child will have on your life. Maybe both of you, maybe only one of you. Also, your baby probably won't have that much fun, because you're not really in a position to care for it properly, but that's OK - at least they will be alive'.
Personally, I think that's morally repugnant.

To defend that position based on YOUR religious beliefs doesn't make it any less repugnant - Americans seem pretty happy to rail against non-Christian religions when those religions are used to control people's behaviour, so maybe be a bit consistent about that. If YOUR religion states that a soul is created at the moment of conception, then YOU shouldn't have an abortion ... but to use that belief to rationalise denying abortions to others is effectively forcing your religions beliefs onto them.

(Also accusing me et al of using 'ad hominems' just after referring to my 'teeny weeny brain' is a tad hypocritical.)
(Also, the worst bit of name-calling I've engaged in in this thread was 'doofus'. )

That teeny teeny weeny brain was directed to badbabysitter LOL I have no interest in shoving my ideals down anyone's throat. Your the first rational person on the other side of the issue to speak in a civil tone. I put some real facts out there as to reasons for abortion. I do have a problem with how people just outright don't accept any responsibility for anything. I do not profess to be judge and jury and yes people make mistakes, some people make more than others. Some people don't believe in the sanctity of life but their judgement will come from a being of a much higher pay grade than I. I have no quarrel with you but some people here just viciously attack others with a twisted depraved sense of reality. An abortion is a very private ordeal but when I read about planned parenthood treating abortion as a money making adventure selling aborted baby parts in the name of women's rights or pro choice I find that disingenuous and despicable. Having a child is a giant responsibility.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That teeny teeny weeny brain was directed to badbabysitter LOL I have no interest in shoving my ideals down anyone's throat. Your the first rational person on the other side of the issue to speak in a civil tone. I put some real facts out there as to reasons for abortion. I do have a problem with how people just outright don't accept any responsibility for anything. I do not profess to be judge and jury and yes people make mistakes, some people make more than others. Some people don't believe in the sanctity of life but their judgement will come from a being of a much higher pay grade than I. I have no quarrel with you but some people here just viciously attack others with a twisted depraved sense of reality.

You contradict yourself within three sentences. It's hard to take you seriously when you do that.

Also, when your position about abortion can be distilled down to "punish the whore", you should expect some push back.

An abortion is a very private ordeal but when I read about planned parenthood treating abortion as a money making adventure selling aborted baby parts in the name of women's rights or pro choice I find that disingenuous and despicable. Having a child is a giant responsibility.

You forfeit the right to civil discussion when you promote disproven "gotcha journalism" stories by fringe-right players. Planned parenthood has never made money "selling aborted babby parts", your overheated rhetoric notwithstanding. They facilitate tranfer of fetal tissue from those who wish to donate. LINK


Despite your best intentions, you have come across as shrill, argumentative and judgmental in this thread.

 

[docoral]

You contradict yourself within three sentences. It's hard to take you seriously when you do that.

Also, when your position about abortion can be distilled down to "punish the whore", you should expect some push back.


You forfeit the right to civil discussion when you promote disproven "gotcha journalism" stories by fringe-right players. Planned parenthood has never made money "selling aborted babby parts", your overheated rhetoric notwithstanding. They facilitate tranfer of fetal tissue from those who wish to donate. LINK


Despite your best intentions, you have come across as shrill, argumentative and judgmental in this thread.

I stated facts in my previous narrative. Never implied whore once. This is what you do, you distort everybody's narratives to pursue your own agenda. There is so much material out there but the left just ignores it. I have no horse in this race and I don't care what you think. Whether you take me seriously is of no consequence to me, so please, do us all a favor and keep your elitist adhominems and disingenuous blabbery to 'GUNNY SHITPANTS'. Judgemental? what a laugh. You're a joke!
I forfeit my right to civil discussion?! when you, yourself, described dealing with children at the border as child concentration camps. Your contemptuous and your banter is unworthy of a retort, your the most vile shit slinger on the net.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom that said he was in love
He said, "don't worry about a thing, baby doll I'm the man you've been dreaming of."
But three months later he say he won't date her or return her calls
And she swear, "god damn, if I find that man I'm cuttin' off his balls"
And then she heads for the clinic and she gets some static walking through the door
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner and they call her a whore
God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose

 

[bodysong]

Another baby died in Border Patrol custody.

Infant mortality is high in states that support a comple abortion ban.

They do not want to spend money on "the poors."

The death penalty is popular in anti-choice states.

(They do not seem very paticular about who they kill,
or how they do it. Despite written law.)

Some Republicans are willing to swallow the convenient fictions that are sold.

The latest lie concerns a woman's fallopian tubes.

Hatred for scientific fact, but willing to create medical fiction.

It is not as if they would consider digging around inside a man's testicles or penis.

 

[Kantarii]

The pro life movement is spreading across America with one goal: to challenge Roe vrs Wade as precedent. Kant

 

[RocketLauncher]

The pro life movement is spreading across America with one goal: to challenge Roe vrs Wade as precedent. Kant

Lmfao. And you got an envious cis Tran leading the march. You go, grrrl (?).
Fuck you guys are moronic.

 

[Lorilei]

There's a woman on my FB feed championing these anti-choice laws, enthusiastically cheering them while never mentioning that when her city councilman father and devout Christian mother discovered that she was was 5 months pregnant, as a teenager, with a mixed race fetus, they immediately arranged for a private "D & C".

People with money will always seek out and receive safe abortions. This is about keeping the cycle of poverty going.

 

[RocketLauncher]

There's a woman on my FB feed championing these anti-choice laws, enthusiastically cheering them while never mentioning that when her city councilman father and devout Christian mother discovered that she was was 5 months pregnant, as a teenager, with a mixed race fetus, they immediately arranged for a private "D & C".

People with money will always seek out and receive safe abortions. This is about keeping the cycle of poverty going.

Finally, someone who sees the big picture. Sunshine, you're a breath of fresh air.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

No, it isn't. 70% believe women should be in control of their own reproductive decisions. The more you loons pass your psychotic laws the quicker you'll get voted out.

Its a losing issue.

The pro life movement is spreading across America with one goal: to challenge Roe vrs Wade as precedent. Kant

 

[Luk]

The pro life movement is spreading across America with one goal: to challenge Roe vrs Wade as precedent. Kant

They hate you, you fucking moron. How can you not think about the way the republicans are fucking over people who look like you. Assuming you're actually you on your avatar.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Lmfao. And you got an envious cis Tran leading the march. You go, grrrl (?).
Fuck you guys are moronic.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Let it be noted for posterity a bunch of male legislators decreed that a woman MUST give birth to her rapist's baby. That is some fucked up shit there.

 

[toeskr]

They hate you, you fucking moron. How can you not think about the way the republicans are fucking over people who look like you. Assuming you're actually you on your avatar.

^^^^ this beaver eats taco bell.

Good job lite brite, assume.

 

[Kantarii]

^^^^ this beaver eats taco bell.

Good job lite brite, assume.

Yup.... he’s assuming alright. I’m probably one of the few people on this site who isn’t afraid to post a ligitimate picture of myself. But, then again, it’s those of the Left that scream wanting “transparency”.

 

[Atwistedkitten]

Let it be noted for posterity a bunch of male legislators decreed that a woman MUST give birth to her rapist's baby. That is some fucked up shit there.

Couldn’t agree more!

 

[Luk]

^^^^ this beaver eats taco bell.

Good job lite brite, assume.

lolwut

 

[toeskr]

lolwut

Sorry gramps.

 

[toeskr]

Yup.... he’s assuming alright. I’m probably one of the few people on this site who isn’t afraid to post a ligitimate picture of myself. But, then again, it’s those of the Left that scream wanting “transparency”.

I just hope the board straw stirrer hasn't damaged you.

He is a legend in his own mind.

But he provides a great deal of laughter. We'll just say with him, not at him.

 

[Kantarii]

I just hope the board straw stirrer hasn't damaged you.

He is a legend in his own mind.

But he provides a great deal of laughter. We'll just say with him, not at him.

It’s funny. He’s quick to tell me the Republicans hate people like me yet he’s the one calling me names. It shows how hypocritical the Left is claiming to be “inclusive”.

 

[toeskr]

It’s funny. He’s quick to tell me the Republicans hate people like me yet he’s the one calling me names. It shows how hypocritical the Left is claiming to be “inclusive”.

Have you seen his pretty fire pics before and after? Have you seen his cancer thread? Poor troll has a difficult time keeping up with his past.

 

[Kantarii]

Have you seen his pretty fire pics before and after? Have you seen his cancer thread? Poor troll has a difficult time keeping up with his past.

I’ve seen the cancer thread.

What kind of person uses a rainbow colored light bright for an avatar? Do they even make those toys anymore?