Abortion

[Rightguide]

That’s because I’m not here to argue with anyone. I state my opinion or view and move on. I don’t answer to you nor owe you explanation as to why I believe what I believe. Get that through your thick skull. You’re on Literotica, not in a college debate hall. Jesus fucking Christ. If you really want answers, start a thread about the subject.

She must mean you can't state a simple opinion.

 

[Kantarii]

She must mean you can't state a simple opinion.

I offered her a suggestion. If she really wanted an answer to debate, she would have started a thread about the subject. Don’t know, don’t care and water under the bridge. The beauty of having an opinion is it’s your opinion. There’s no need to explain it to anyone other than oneself, otherwise we’d all think differently than we do.
Kant

 

[KimGordon67]

I offered her a suggestion. If she really wanted an answer to debate, she would have started a thread about the subject. Don’t know, don’t care and water under the bridge. The beauty of having an opinion is it’s your opinion. There’s no need to explain it to anyone other than oneself, otherwise we’d all think differently than we do.
Kant

Yes, but opinions are not as valid as statements backed up by actual evidence and science. People can have all the 'opinions' they want about abortion = 'baby killing' or whatever. That doesn't make those opinions more valid than the actual fact that an abortion is not 'killing a baby'. The fact that laws end up being based on people's opinions in preference to science is ... well, concerning to say the least. Especially when those laws have a direct impact on the wellbeing of others.

 

[Matthew Craig]

Yes, but opinions are not as valid as statements backed up by actual evidence and science. People can have all the 'opinions' they want about abortion = 'baby killing' or whatever. That doesn't make those opinions more valid than the actual fact that an abortion is not 'killing a baby'. The fact that laws end up being based on people's opinions in preference to science is ... well, concerning to say the least. Especially when those laws have a direct impact on the wellbeing of others.

You're a living piece of shit.

 

[docoral]

Yes, but opinions are not as valid as statements backed up by actual evidence and science. People can have all the 'opinions' they want about abortion = 'baby killing' or whatever. That doesn't make those opinions more valid than the actual fact that an abortion is not 'killing a baby'. The fact that laws end up being based on people's opinions in preference to science is ... well, concerning to say the least. Especially when those laws have a direct impact on the wellbeing of others.

Your statement is not fact either. I have no idea how you can qualify without a doubt that at the point of conception science has proved it's not a person ( baby ). It's more about you want to believe it's not a baby, it's more about having an abortion rids you of a problem you created. This is not about science, it's something much larger than that. Many religions believe that at the time of conception a soul is also introduced. Unless you've experienced the afterlife you have no scientific basis for your hypothesis. This matter is about a strong religious belief.

I would have thought you could understand the moral issue here. So let's try this again. Your ignorance rings hollow again. I guess you being an agnostic you have no clue that there is a moral side to this argument, but you have to have a moral compass to engage with that idea. It seems your favorite tactic is to paint everything with a broad brush and oversimplify things to benefit your argument.

So, let me try to understand what you're spouting off here. So, if you are pro life then you don't have a clue as to how a woman's reproductive system works. You could argue that women who have unprotected sex don't understand either,[ MAN- WOMAN- SEX- BABY ] that insinuation is pretty far fetch, even coming from you, actually, that's pretty ridiculous. What's really sad is that if we disagree with you we're stupid, I guess that's a feel good way to win arguments; just call everybody whom disagrees with you 'STUPID'

You see, some people around here feel pretty strongly about protecting the defenseless and the innocent. Now most reasonable people would agree that a fetus gone wrong leading to a crippling defect requires hard analysis between the doctor and mother on allowing this fetus to come to full term and the effects it would have on both ( child and mother ). I believe that discussion starts and ends in that office and is no one else's business. The percentage of those abortions equate to approximately 2.66% of all abortions nation wide, a very small number, but you could argue a valid reason for abortion. Only the hardest of the pro life would argue against an abortion, one being the Catholic church, which is against all abortions. Once again save your 'priest are pettifiles' for a rainy day argument.

I can smell your teeny teeny weeny brain working overtime now. So let's choose some other categories of abortion, a previous year's statistics,

1. <0.5% victim of rape
2. 4% physical health problems ( mother )
3. 2.6% abnormal fetus
4. 0.001 INCEST

TOTAL 7.2 % ( approximately ) most reasonable people would accept as legitimate.

Other reasons for abortion that rings pretty shallow for destroying a life, all these statistics are preventable with a little planning. We live in a time where morality is fading in our society and where any self indulgence can be justified. Having sex is not the culprit, it's killing a baby that is. You and your tag team partners can banter with all your adhominems and vile name calling but it doesn't change anything. Here some more statistics why women are having abortions. You preach that continuing to full term makes people's lives miserable so you destroy the baby in the name of women's rights, you're hypocrites!

1. 4% would interfere with college
2. 7% not mature enough to raise a child
3. 8% don't want to be a single mother
4. 19% don't want more children
5. 23% can't afford another baby
6. 25% not ready for a child
7. 6% other

Total 92.8%....... pro life would consider unacceptable, irresponsible and immoral. Planned parenthood's bread and butter! Kill the little girl or guy for money for the sake of women's right to choose. It's not about women's rights, it about taking the easy way out because they fucked up. I want to say one other thing, GUYS WHO WALK AWAY FROM THAT WOMAN AFTER THE DEED IS DONE AND DON'T ACCEPT EQUAL SHARE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY ARE THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST FORMS OF LIFE ON THE PLANET, PIECES OF SHIT!!!..... A little planning goes a long way. Want to play but not pay. It's not like there is no place for these babies to go, there are many thousands of couples who would take them in a heartbeat. Just think If your mom changed her mind about you, well, we would certainly miss all your B__L S__T, *** JUST SAYING***.

Approximately 51% abort by week seven, but then the argument becomes, when is a baby a baby?

 

[Kantarii]

Now, Missouri Senate passes bill to outlaw abortion at 8 weeks.

https://apple.news/APYt-Z_nkTbmYqb2VTdONLQ

 

[adrina]

I offered her a suggestion. If she really wanted an answer to debate, she would have started a thread about the subject. Don’t know, don’t care and water under the bridge. The beauty of having an opinion is it’s your opinion. There’s no need to explain it to anyone other than oneself, otherwise we’d all think differently than we do.
Kant

Maybe one of these centuries - or not - you'll figure out the reality that other people have the freedom to <gasp> question your statements.

I've already told you, multiple times, that no answer was expected from you.

Your skill is passive aggression, deflection and if I were a man you'd tell me how much I want you but you don't do that anymore. This isn't rocket surgery. It's what you do.

I will say however I must have struck a nerve as you went into uber defensive mode and I'm sure you'll keep it up.

Enjoy your day.

 

[Kantarii]

Maybe one of these centuries - or not - you'll figure out the reality that other people have the freedom to <gasp> question your statements.

I've already told you, multiple times, that no answer was expected from you.

Your skill is passive aggression, deflection and if I were a man you'd tell me how much I want you but you don't do that anymore. This isn't rocket surgery. It's what you do.

I will say however I must have struck a nerve as you went into uber defensive mode and I'm sure you'll keep it up.

Enjoy your day.

Really? I must have struck a bigger nerve with you.

I thought I told you last night I was done talking to you. Yet here you are - again, picking up right where you left off.

Pour yourself a cup of coffee and start your day by starting a thread like I suggested if you really want answers to debate. I don’t have to nor am I obligated to explain/defend my thoughts, views, opinions or beliefs to you or anyone. You can question them all you want being nosy, but the choice to answer or not is on me.

 

[about_average]

They are done condoning murder.

So you're in favor of:
- Charging women who have abortions with conspiracy to commit murder and/or murder
- Charging women who have an accident that's their fault and a resultant miscarriage at 4 days pregnant with involuntary murder
- Police doing a homicide investigation in to every miscarriage
- You being charged with involuntary manslaughter if you cause an accident that results in another woman's miscarriage when she's 4 days pregnant

right?

 

[about_average]

What does "obligatory passive aggressive" mean? You need to see a specialist you're way overdue for your million word checkup.

"obligatory" is an adverb modifying the adjective "smiley".

 

[about_average]

..."Planned Parenthood" which is really all about terminating parenthood...

What a completely ignorant statement.

I bet you're one of those men who thinks a woman shouldn't need anything during her period, she should just "hold it in" if she isn't lazy.

 

[zipman]

Maybe one of these centuries - or not - you'll figure out the reality that other people have the freedom to <gasp> question your statements.

I've already told you, multiple times, that no answer was expected from you.

Your skill is passive aggression, deflection and if I were a man you'd tell me how much I want you but you don't do that anymore. This isn't rocket surgery. It's what you do.

I will say however I must have struck a nerve as you went into uber defensive mode and I'm sure you'll keep it up.

Enjoy your day.

Should someone tell him that this is a "discussion board?"

 

[icanhelp1]

"obligatory" is an adverb modifying the adjective "smiley".

That wasn't my question, what is obligatory passive aggressive when stating an opinion because everything stated here could be interpreted as that. When people refuse to resort to name calling, we're calling that obligatory passive aggressive? I think ziperhead should be on lorazepam to deal with his passive aggressive nature.

You do know there's a difference between a miscarriage and an abortion, right! One is murder, guess which one.

 

[Kantarii]

Should someone tell him that this is a "discussion board?"

You can try... but it won’t get you any further than it did her. I’m not obligated to discuss my views and opinions with any particular person on the discussion board.

 

[about_average]

Your statement is not fact either. I have no idea how you can qualify without a doubt that at the point of conception science has proved it's not a person ( baby ).

Point to a scientific text that refers to an embryo as a "baby".

While you're at it, tell everyone how you would confess to negligent homicide if your tire with low pressure blew out and you hit another car causing the woman in it to have a miscarriage.
If she had it at the scene would you confess right away to the police?
Or would you wait until you were charged and hope you weren't?
Would you hire a lawyer to try to get your sentence reduced, or would you "own" the homicide you committed?

 

[RobDownSouth]

tee comma hee

You’re welcome to try... but it won’t get you any further than it did her. I’m not obligate to discuss my views and opinions with any particular person on the discussion board.

Oh look, the battle cry of the typical GB "shit 'n run poster".

At least this one recognizes his lack of skillz in actual debating.

His "aggrieved victimhood" whining is still a work in progress.

 

[icanhelp1]

Point to a scientific text that refers to an embryo as a "baby".

While you're at it, tell everyone how you would confess to negligent homicide if your tire with low pressure blew out and you hit another car causing the woman in it to have a miscarriage.
If she had it at the scene would you confess right away to the police?
Or would you wait until you were charged and hope you weren't?
Would you hire a lawyer to try to get your sentence reduced, or would you "own" the homicide you committed?

I can't help you.

 

[about_average]

That wasn't my question, what is obligatory passive aggressive.

I know that wasn't your question. Your question was about something that wasn't said.
He said the smiley face was passive aggressive.
There's probably a video on Kahn Academy you can watch that will explain parts of speech for you.

You do know there's a difference between a miscarriage and an abortion, right! One is murder, guess which one.

How do you know the miscarriage wasn't self-induced? People do it all the time, and will even more now.
Just like a suicide, police have to investigate to make sure it wasn't murder. Of course a miscarriage will require a lot more police and medical resources since it's really hard to tell. And of course the woman would need to be incarcerated until the determine the answer, since she might get pregnant again and possibly commit another murder.
And quite a few women will have to be monitored more closely since they multiple miscarriages. Or maybe they are serial killers. Police should search their homes for cinnamon, that would be evidence she might be a serial killer.

 

[nowisthetime]

Sweet baby Jesus! Kantarii, like your typical garden variety member of the GB wingnut club, stinks the longer he is on here. It's kind of like a spoiled diaper, becoming more odorous the longer it lingers.

Furthermore, these folks often confuse volume and persistence with quality. They would rack up over 200 posts within a 24 hour time frame and pat themselves on the back for "lib-tossing" in their delusional minds. Aye aye!

 

[about_average]

I can't help you.

I don't need any help.
You're one of many who seem to believe that killing a person through negligence is perfectly fine sometimes, but other times, in the same circumstances, perfectly fine, based solely on the victim's age.

 

[Kantarii]

Welcome to the pro - life movement. Sooner or later it will make it to the Supreme Court.
Kant

 

[zipman]

What does "obligatory passive aggressive" mean? You need to see a specialist you're way overdue for your million word checkup.

o·blig·a·to·ry
/əˈbliɡəˌtôrē/
adjective
required by a legal, moral, or other rule; compulsory.
"use of seat belts in cars is now obligatory"
synonyms: compulsory, mandatory, prescribed, required, demanded, statutory, enforced, binding, incumbent; More
(of a ruling) having binding force.
"a sovereign whose laws are obligatory"
HUMOROUS
so customary or routine as to be expected of everyone or on every occasion.
"after the obligatory preamble on the weather he got down to business"
synonyms: customary, traditional, usual, accustomed, routine, familiar, regular, habitual; More

pas·sive-ag·gres·sive
adjective
of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials.

 

[heathergives]

"I changed my opinion as a result of an online message board discussion."

Said No One Ever.​

 

[Kantarii]

"I changed my opinion as a result of an online message board discussion."

Said No One Ever.​

You won’t find me asking you to explain yourself to me. Your opinions and views are yours alone.
It’s a mutual respect thing.

 

[heathergives]

You won’t find me asking you to explain yourself to me. Your opinions and views are yours alone.
It’s a mutual respect thing.

Thank you, I agree, Kant.