badbabysitter
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and mother nature says that a fetus isnt a person either
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and mother nature says that a fetus isnt a person either
RobDownSouth
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No, it isn't.
Remove a six week old baby, one that his been born, from his/her mother and the baby will still thrive with appropriate care.,
Remove a six week old fetus from a woman and no matter how much care and love and money and attention you give it, it will not survive, no matter how fast the "fetal heartbeat".
That's basic fetal viability.
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Hey Carnal; do you actually read the shit you write. Can you tell us what law state's it's illegal to use birth control and what conservative lawmakers tabled the bill? I just don't want my tax money used for purchasing birth control, you want it you buy it!
Can you tell us what conservatives are tabling a bill to cut prenatal care?
So; conservatives have; Moms, Wives, Daughters, Sisters, female friends and yeah we want to punish and control them. I've tried for 30 years to control my wife, I must be doing something wrong.
Really!!! school lunches???
Do you know anything about gun laws??
You can't both protect the innocent and love the child??? You and Babysitter should marry and move to your own cesspool.
RobDownSouth
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A fetus is a potential human being.
An acorn is a potential oak tree.
If you take your kids into a federal park, and they leave with a pocketful of acorns, are they guilty of illegal logging?
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I live in Canada, a socialist nation with an emphasis on sex education, birth control, some of the loosest abortion laws in the world....and a steadily declining abortion rate, much lower then our south of the border friends
Yay cesspool!
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Also, and I'm gonna keep pointing this out: At 6 weeks, it's not even a fetus yet.
Also, no heart.
badbabysitter
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Heads would explode if you tried explaining an embryo, they cant even figure out what a fetus is
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It sure as fuck does. You're a fool.
Yes it is. No matter how much fucktardology you try and apply to it.
RobDownSouth
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You inadvertently raise a point: why aren't birth control pills available over the counter in the United States? They've been available for 59 years now.
You can walk into a pharmacy in any of these countries and buy them over the counter:
- China
- India
- Greece
- Turkey
- Mexico
- Brazil
- Portugal
- South Africa
- Korea
- Russia
LINK
Making them available over the counter would take the US out of the funding birth control business completely.....isn't that what you're asking for?
Of course, that would give women yet another degree of choice in their reproductive lives....
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Circular argument again. You love this distraction/catchphrases don't you. Last time, sperm + egg = life.
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What catchphrases?
sperm magic does not change that a fetus is not a person
Until it can survive unaided your arguments do not apply
Well; I guess you've exhausted your cerebral capacity and resorted back to the liberal talking point. When you're losing an argument just resort to name calling or the ***FUCK YOU*** line. You call yourself an educated and liberated women, you really don't get the science. And to think today is Mother's Day, you prefer the easy way out because you fucked up.
When something is morally wrong, repetition doesn't make it right!!!
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It's life at the point of conception fucktard.
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Because?
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Because?
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This problem is easily solved. All abortions are the result of unwanted pregnancies caused by sperm. Vasectomies are reversible, so perform one on all newborn males, and when they're ready for fatherhood, it can be reversed with their wife's permission.
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Perhaps you'd like to take my Amicus Memorial Abortion Challenge? It's been scaring off anti-choice folks for over 7 years now!
The "Amicus Memorial Abortion Challenge".
There are actually six separate arguments that comprise the "Is Abortion Moral" debate:
- Is it alive?
- Is it human?
- Is it a person?
- Is it physically independent?
- Does it have human rights?
- Is abortion murder?
Let's see if we can find some common ground here.
1. Is it alive? My answer is yes.
2. Is it human? Again, I'll answer yes.
3. Is it a person? No, it's a "potential person", which is both separate and distinct from a "person", inasmuch as an acorn is distinct from an oak tree.
4. Is it physically independent? Absolutely not. A fetus is dependent upon another human being for nutrients and oxygen. It's worth noting that many of the anti-abortion folks raise the false equivalency that because a newborn infant is also dependent upon another for nutrients and oxygen, a fetus should be considered the functional equivalent of a newborn. This shows an inability to distinguish between the concepts of "physical independence" and "social independence". Social independence is where a child depends on society to feed, clothe and nuture him/her. Physical independence, on the other hand, is when something depends on the physical body of another for its continued existence. This seems to be a point you seem unable or unwilling to grasp.
5. Does it have human rights? A qualified yes. A human fetus has rights to the extent that the do not infringe upon the rights of another, in this case the woman carrying the fetus. You cannot have two entities with equal rights occupying one body, because one will automatically have veto power over the other, and by definition this precludes "equal rights".
6. Is abortion murder? No. It's only murder when it's an independent person. Infants, even premature infants, are considered "independent" of their mother and are accorded full human rights.
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But if it's at the point of conception as you say....and conservatives want to wait for a "fetal heartbeat", wouldn't that make them complicit in abortion, if they claim life isn't worth living until 6 weeks?
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Because mother nature said so.
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Potential? Seriously? You don’t think a fetus is going to be potentially a dog, a cat, a bird, or a fish when it comes out the womb prematurely, do you? It’s a fetus and if it has a heartbeat, it’s alive, dependent on the mother while she carries it inside her unless you think she’s just carrying around junk to throw in the trash when she decides she doesn’t want it.
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You can fuck off with this slippery slope fucktardology too.
