Dinged for writing porn?

[Jada59]

My latest story was dinged because i't's porn and the person leaving feedback also implied that it was badly written. Odd. I had all 5's prior to that comment. No it's at 4.29 a few hours later. It is BDSM and I did state up front that it'not a romance. I also had an editor. Where did I go wrong here? Thanks!

https://www.literotica.com/s/randy-ravishes-me

ETA: Another story that had a "hot" rating has now suddenly dropped.

 

[KeithD]

The 5s might mean readers wanted to read porn. That's OK here.

 

[Jada59]

The 5s might mean readers wanted to read porn. That's OK here.

I should hope so!

 

[sethp]

My latest story was dinged because i't's porn and the person leaving feedback also implied that it was badly written. Odd. I had all 5's prior to that comment. No it's at 4.29 a few hours later. It is BDSM and I did state up front that it'not a romance. I also had an editor. Where did I go wrong here? Thanks!

https://www.literotica.com/s/randy-ravishes-me

ETA: Another story that had a "hot" rating has now suddenly dropped.

We all get that a lot. We’ll get a 4.5 ...4.52. We know it’s a decent story and then boom...seemingly bombed to below hot to rot there for all eternity. Lol.

 

[Jada59]

We all get that a lot. We’ll get a 4.5 ...4.52. We know it’s a decent story and then boom...seemingly bombed to below hot to rot there for all eternity. Lol.

Hmmm... Weird! Thanks!

 

[AwkwardMD]

First of all, bear in mind that the BDSM readership is hypersensitive about how their kink is portrayed. Content like 50 Shades often gives people the wrong idea, and the readership is not tolerant of sexual relationships that do not conform to their ideal. In no particular order, you need things like safe words, restraint, safety, dominant men and submissive women to succeed in that category.

If you are not portraying a healthy BDSM relationship, they don't want it (unless you put it in non-con, which the same readership frequents).

Second of all, your story moves not just like pornography but gonzo porn. It's a very, very popular way of framing action, penetration, and reactions , with wide-angle lenses to make everything look cranked to 11. Which, or course, is exactly what you said the story would be in the first few paragraphs. Shame on them for not listening.

Third, it would be folly to get into what is and is not BDSM, but what you wrote here wouldn't qualify in my book. Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, Sadism, and Masochism are the hallmarks. Some stories can get away with checking only a few of those boxes, but the more your story is about those elements the better ( in terms of "being a BDSM story").

Randy Ravishes Me feels more like a group sex or orgy story in which Randy is the top and "you" are the bottom. Tops and bottoms are not the same as Dom(me)s and subs, but the distinction is minor and really only matters to people who participate in the BDSM lifestyle.

I too have been punished for putting stories in BDSM that they did not approve of, and I am bitter about it 4 years later. The lesson I learned was not to post in BDSM unless you are prepared to meet their criteria or suffer their wrath.

 

[KeithD]

*sigh* There isn't any one or thirty or two-hundred-and-eight ways anything has to be written here for some universal reader. And there are so many random readers here at random times that you just as well might go with the flow of whatever you get and take the four-millionth-time advice here and write what you want. (No one owns what BDSM can be, by the way. If they make the claim of rules there to you, gladly show them the finger and tell them to go back to their little club).

 

[Emirus]

Remember the comment was anonymous.

My latest story was dinged because i't's porn

ETA: Another story that had a "hot" rating has now suddenly dropped.

I’ve read the comment and, of course, it’s anonymous. It hurts when something like that happens. It certainly hurts me. If writers with a hundred stories behind them says it doesn’t I don’t believe them. It reads to me as a troll who would bomb Charles Dickens because Oliver Twist didn’t get more food.

If you don’t already do so keep a record of votes. It’s good when you see the 5️ votes coming in although it needs a lot of 5’s to overcome 1-bombs.

I had one of my stories accused of being pornography. I don’t agree with that allegation and no one else, and it’s had 140 votes, has ever said they think it’s pornography. Another story has 11 comments and 10 are complimentary from, amongst others Electricblue and Melissa, and the other comment, of about 200 words, is solely about how badly written is my first paragraph. Naturally the comment is anonymous. Last month I had two comments, three weeks apart, neither of which related to the story and each comment, very similarly written, accompanied by a 1-bomb. The story was bounced down from a red H to 4.31. It’s crawling back up with several 5’s but it’ll need a lot more to get back to where it was. Not only was that story 1-bombed but they 1-bombed every other story as well.

There are people out there, I won’t call them readers, who take delight in making people feel just like you are feeling at the moment.

I’m sorry for boring you with all that but I just wanted to show you, as Sethp has already said, it happens to all of us and unfortunately you can’t do anything about it except hope it will disappear in a sweep.

 

[Jada59]

First of all, bear in mind that the BDSM readership is hypersensitive about how their kink is portrayed. Content like 50 Shades often gives people the wrong idea, and the readership is not tolerant of sexual relationships that do not conform to their ideal. In no particular order, you need things like safe words, restraint, safety, dominant men and submissive women to succeed in that category.

If you are not portraying a healthy BDSM relationship, they don't want it (unless you put it in non-con, which the same readership frequents).

Second of all, your story moves not just like pornography but gonzo porn. It's a very, very popular way of framing action, penetration, and reactions , with wide-angle lenses to make everything look cranked to 11. Which, or course, is exactly what you said the story would be in the first few paragraphs. Shame on them for not listening.

Third, it would be folly to get into what is and is not BDSM, but what you wrote here wouldn't qualify in my book. Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, Sadism, and Masochism are the hallmarks. Some stories can get away with checking only a few of those boxes, but the more your story is about those elements the better ( in terms of "being a BDSM story").

Randy Ravishes Me feels more like a group sex or orgy story in which Randy is the top and "you" are the bottom. Tops and bottoms are not the same as Dom(me)s and subs, but the distinction is minor and really only matters to people who participate in the BDSM lifestyle.

I too have been punished for putting stories in BDSM that they did not approve of, and I am bitter about it 4 years later. The lesson I learned was not to post in BDSM unless you are prepared to meet their criteria or suffer their wrath.

Ah, okay. I wasn't sure which category to put it in. Don't know anything about 50 Shades. Never read it and not likely to.

Perhaps Randy and I have a unique relationship. I wrote this for him. He liked it, and that's good enough for me.

Will take what you said into advisement. Thanks!

 

[Jada59]

I’ve read the comment and, of course, it’s anonymous. It hurts when something like that happens. It certainly hurts me. If writers with a hundred stories behind them says it doesn’t I don’t believe them. It reads to me as a troll who would bomb Charles Dickens because Oliver Twist didn’t get more food.

If you don’t already do so keep a record of votes. It’s good when you see the 5️ votes coming in although it needs a lot of 5’s to overcome 1-bombs.

I had one of my stories accused of being pornography. I don’t agree with that allegation and no one else, and it’s had 140 votes, has ever said they think it’s pornography. Another story has 11 comments and 10 are complimentary from, amongst others Electricblue and Melissa, and the other comment, of about 200 words, is solely about how badly written is my first paragraph. Naturally the comment is anonymous. Last month I had two comments, three weeks apart, neither of which related to the story and each comment, very similarly written, accompanied by a 1-bomb. The story was bounced down from a red H to 4.31. It’s crawling back up with several 5’s but it’ll need a lot more to get back to where it was. Not only was that story 1-bombed but they 1-bombed every other story as well.

There are people out there, I won’t call them readers, who take delight in making people feel just like you are feeling at the moment.

I’m sorry for boring you with all that but I just wanted to show you, as Sethp has already said, it happens to all of us and unfortunately you can’t do anything about it except hope it will disappear in a sweep.

The comment may well have come from the same person who referred to me a a "whore" in a comment on another story. Of course it was anonymous too. Could be from someone that was interested in me, but them feeling wasn't mutual. Guess I'll never know.

I do appreciate your help.

 

[gunhilltrain]

People have commented that if they get less than say, 4.50, or if the score drops, then they've done something "wrong." That's not necessarily true. If you like the story, then let the votes fall where they may. Look at them but don't worry about them.

Scores drift around until eventually the votes stop coming (often that's within a couple of weeks). You only have seven votes so far. In my mind 4.29 is a good score. The one comment you received is lame and not "constructive" but there are a lot of those going around.

 

[Jada59]

People have commented that if they get less than say, 4.50, or if the score drops, then they've done something "wrong." That's not necessarily true. If you like the story, then let the votes fall where they may. Look at them but don't worry about them.

Scores drift around until eventually the votes stop coming (often that's within a couple of weeks). You only have seven votes so far. In my mind 4.29 is a good score. The one comment you received is lame and not "constructive" but there are a lot of those going around.

It's not a bad score. Just sad to see it drop so quickly.

ETA: Someone has to be 1 bombing me. All of my stories are dropping, and some rapidly.

 

[sethp]

The only bad thing with lower scores is that sometimes readers will skip it only because it’s not ‘hot’. They really miss out. When a story gets one bombed it can hover in the low 4s. Generally anything below 4.1 I’ll skip...usually that means really bad grammar...But then I have a recent story that is 4.06 that is at least as good as my average stories. Apparently I didn’t conform to the uncle niece formula . Lol

 

[Jada59]

The only bad thing with lower scores is that sometimes readers will skip it only because it’s not ‘hot’. They really miss out. When a story gets one bombed it can hover in the low 4s. Generally anything below 4.1 I’ll skip...usually that means really bad grammar...But then I have a recent story that is 4.06 that is at least as good as my average stories. Apparently I didn’t conform to the uncle niece formula . Lol

You do have a point! Thanks!

 

[Hypoxia]

The only bad thing with lower scores is that sometimes readers will skip it only because it’s not ‘hot’.

I formerly believed that. But I see no evidence that a Red-H attracts eyeballs. My most-viewed story is my lowest-scored. My highest-scored pieces have way-below-average view counts. Post in LW or Incest (with a hot title) for views and comments. Pander in any category for votes.

 

[Jada59]

I formerly believed that. But I see no evidence that a Red-H attracts eyeballs. My most-viewed story is my lowest-scored. My highest-scored pieces have way-below-average view counts. Post in LW or Incest (with a hot title) for views and comments. Pander in any category for votes.

My lowest scored got the most PMs saying that they liked it.

 

[SimonDoom]

It's porn, but it's well-written porn. I liked the style. My guess is you got less than a 5 from some readers for one of two reasons. One is, as AwkwardMD suggests, your story may not have satisfied whatever it is the readers wanted from a BDSM story. My view is there's nothing you can, or should do, about that. You shouldn't have to tailor a story to fit a category. But if your story stretches the boundary of the category you may have some unhappy readers.

The other possibility is that there isn't enough of a story to satisfy some readers. It's pretty much just sex. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but some readers like more of a story to go with the sex.

Bottom line: I wouldn't worry about it. Your story does a good job doing what it tries to do. It's not your problem that some readers may want it to do something else.

 

[gordo12]

ETA: Someone has to be 1 bombing me. All of my stories are dropping, and some rapidly.

Big surprise. Post here, pay there.

My latest story was dinged because i't's porn and the person leaving feedback also implied that it was badly written. .

Jada, you were born with one asshole.
Become a writer and you gain 500 assholes.

It's just the price we pay for fame and fortune

 

[GroverLang]

Big surprise. Post here, pay there.

Jada, you were born with one asshole.
Become a writer and you gain 500 assholes.

It's just the price we pay for fame and fortune

You’re not wrong. Except for the fame and fortune.

 

[Hypoxia]

Bottom line: I wouldn't worry about it. Your story does a good job doing what it tries to do. It's not your problem that some readers may want it to do something else.

Indeed the bottom line -- a truism: Now matter what one writes and posts, some may love it, some may hate it, and most won't care or respond.

Responses give a hint at what pushes readers' buttons. LIT's huge readership includes an infinite range of pervs. Some desperately desire Sonny to ass-rape Mom while tied-up cuck Dad watches; failure to include brings criticism. I can't control the readers, merely warn them with tags as to what's ahead.

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

...Where did I go wrong here? Thanks!...

You worried about what somebody else thought.

Be you, even if you aren't perfect, you WON'T be better at trying to be anyone else.

-Lisa's Mom

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[Abbafan]

The only bad thing with lower scores is that sometimes readers will skip it only because it’s not ‘hot’. They really miss out. When a story gets one bombed it can hover in the low 4s. Generally anything below 4.1 I’ll skip...usually that means really bad grammar...But then I have a recent story that is 4.06 that is at least as good as my average stories. Apparently I didn’t conform to the uncle niece formula . Lol

Yeah. Below 4 is my cutoff. Most of the voters here are pretty forgiving, really, when it comes to stuff like grammar (despite what comments sometimes say).

 

[ChuckWolf]

I've had one of my stories called porn, but porn was/has been entirely what I'm aiming for; stories that will get people hot and that they can masturbate over.

 

[IsaacTolkien]

The very first story I posted on here had no plot; just a straight description of a sex scene.

It got a single, scathing anonymous comment, and both lower ratings and a fraction of the views of my next two stories, both of which did have plots. For the second such, I was influenced a lot by BashfulScribe's essays over at sexstories: How to Write a Terrible Sex Story and The Basics of Actually Good Erotica.

Two more stories after that went in the opposite direction; one was based on dream sequences, the other one in dialogue, you commented in its thread. Neither sparked much interest.

Conclusion: people here really, really want a plot, and can actually get quite upset when one is not supplied.

I ended up removing the first story, though I might eventually resubmit it with a plot added.

If the scene is based on real-life activities with your partner, I would suggest making that part of the story - how you two met, how you got into bdsm, challenges you faced, etc.

 

[Jada59]

The very first story I posted on here had no plot; just a straight description of a sex scene.

It got a single, scathing anonymous comment, and a fraction of the views of my next two stories (both of which did have plots). Conclusion: people here really, really want a plot, and can actually get quite upset when one is not supplied.

I ended up removing the first story, though I might eventually resubmit it with a plot added.

If the scene is based on real-life activities with your partner, I would suggest making that part of the story - how you two met, how you got into bdsm, challenges you faced, etc.

Well... That kind of stuff isn't what I like to read. I am no longer with the guy I wrote the story for but it was written the way he wanted it written.

If I want a plot, I'll read a novel. I come here for the porn.