Climate continues to change.

[icanhelp1]

The damage done to science by those who hijacked and politicized climatology in an attempt to achieve political aims is incalculable.


Why the scientific community did not intervene to rein in the excesses, exaggerations, abuses and unfounded claims that have marked climatology for more than two decades is a mystery to me.


The credibility and reputation of climatology has been severely damaged and will take many decades to be restored— it may, in fact, be unrecoverable.


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The reason is big money. It originally started as global cooling and because of phony unsubstantiated evidence they changed it to global warming to save Gores ass. Gore left office as vice president in 2001 with 2 million in the bank and 12 years later ( 2013 ) is now worth 300 million. You do the math and come to your own conclusions.

 

[phrodeau]

Very subjective.
For instance, think that they will in Fairbanks? How about Portland OR?
Think they will, if you have an independent, off grid system, where the majority of the cost is not the panels, but the batteries?

Mine are warranted for 80% performance @ 25 years.
The system, will not pay for itself in 25 years. Batteries are good for 10 years if I’m lucky.

Based on your previous posts, your opinion is duly ignored.

 

[Klinkster]

My opinion is based on designing, building, and operating two off grid systems for over 8 years now.

Your opinion is based on what you read.
Same as your previous posts.

Based on your previous posts, your opinion is duly ignored.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Here's some optimism.

CEO of 8minutenergy: Someday Solar Energy Will Be Nearly Free

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterd...olar-energy-will-be-nearly-free/#7ee458331740

Within a couple of decades, he predicts “we will integrate the grid around renewables…mostly solar because it’s much easier from an engineering perspective to design around solar where you have high predictability.” If one looks ahead 10 to 20 years, Butttgenbach projects, “solar generation becomes nearly free.” As a result, it becomes economically beneficial to design the entire system around those cheap electrons. The focus then shifts to storage costs, though he notes, there will obviously be a transition period.

 

[von_Bismarck]

My opinion is based on designing, building, and operating two off grid systems for over 8 years now.

Your opinion is based on what you read.
Same as your previous posts.

The great thing about theoretical knowledge is that it grants you access to a vast amount of indirect knowledge, as opposed to one person's narrow experience.

 

[Klinkster]

Once again, you show your ignorance.
For one, I read a lot of different articles, websites, and consulted a lot of different manufactures, before I even decided to buy.
Two, I talked to people, from Alaska to Arizona on these systems. Owners of systems.
Three, I have practical hands on experience. Even after all my research before buying & installing my first system, I have made changes based on that experience. If you think that hands on, is not more important than anything.....you are proving you are an idiot....again.

The great thing about theoretical knowledge is that it grants you access to a vast amount of indirect knowledge, as opposed to one person's narrow experience.

 

[gunthernehmen]

That's all true. But it isn't too late for you to reform, bigot.

Now THAT is a perfect example of IRONY.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Solar panel lifespans have been improved in recent years, and most panels made before 2000 are still going strong.

A solar panel can pay for itself inside of five years, so if you use one for thirty years, that’s twenty-five years for free.

Given the expected lifespan of a panel is around 30 years, that isn't really surprising LOL

BTW, that ROI only works with the tax rebates. The ACTUAL cost of the panels is much higher.

 

[icanhelp1]

The great thing about theoretical knowledge is that it grants you access to a vast amount of indirect knowledge, as opposed to one person's narrow experience.

I couldn't agree with you more. There is a big difference between institutional knowledge and knowhow, program managers, scientific research and the rest of us.

Mr. Klinker is obviously leaps and bounds above most of us because of his institutional knowledge in cost analysis, demographics, system longevity and grid output. I'm sure he has an acute understanding of 'cost/return on investment ratio' and understands practicality of different systems.

 

[phrodeau]

Given the expected lifespan of a panel is around 30 years, that isn't really surprising LOL

BTW, that ROI only works with the tax rebates. The ACTUAL cost of the panels is much higher.

Show your math.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Show your math.

I'm going to pull a von BS and say no LOL

But you can work it out if you like. The key is, at the current time, if you install Solar to certain specs and conditions, you get a ton of money back. Without that money, you aren't getting quite as much of a deal as you "seem" to be.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Now THAT is a perfect example of IRONY.

I'm going to pull a von BS and say no LOL

But you can work it out if you like. The key is, at the current time, if you install Solar to certain specs and conditions, you get a ton of money back. Without that money, you aren't getting quite as much of a deal as you "seem" to be.

You Klinger are like little yappers. Annoying, but non threatening.

Anyway.

What If Air Conditioning Could Help Stop Climate Change Instead of Causing It?

https://www.citylab.com/environment...mate-change-carbon-capture-technology/588403/

Using technology currently in development, AC units in skyscrapers and homes could get turned into machines that pull carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.

Wouldn't it be great if we could get passed the idea that taking action against AGW means destroying the economy and our way of life? So that we can implement creative solutions like the above?

 

[Klinkster]

You're still a pompous know it all idiot von skidmark.

Next time you have a pipe leaking, call a theoretical physicist.

You Klinger are like little yappers. Annoying, but non threatening.

 

[gunthernehmen]

What If Air Conditioning Could Help Stop Climate Change Instead of Causing It?

https://www.citylab.com/environment...mate-change-carbon-capture-technology/588403/

Using technology currently in development, AC units in skyscrapers and homes could get turned into machines that pull carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.

There are these things, you can usually find them in forests and vegetated areas.

I think they're called trees?

You really ARE a degreed scientist. Who else would come up with a complex, technological solution to something that already has a free and easy solution?

Reminds me of when NASA figured out pens wouldn't work in zero-g. They spent like $50m to develop a pressurized, super duper pen. The Russians just used pencils.

 

[von_Bismarck]

There are these things, you can usually find them in forests and vegetated areas.

I think they're called trees?

You really ARE a degreed scientist. Who else would come up with a complex, technological solution to something that already has a free and easy solution?

Reminds me of when NASA figured out pens wouldn't work in zero-g. They spent like $50m to develop a pressurized, super duper pen. The Russians just used pencils.

Because the two use cases are exactly analogous.

 

[beew]

Hei von Bouffy:

Looks like our hairy palmed friend has been keeping busy again.

 

[Que]

Because the two use cases are exactly analogous.

It's say so. The use of a pencil and the use of a pen serve exactly the same function. The one is arguably more permanent, but if that is the goal, remove the eraser.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Hei von Bouffy:

Looks like our hairy palmed friend has been keeping busy again.

I've got him on iggy.

 

[icanhelp1]

You're still a pompous know it all idiot von skidmark.

Next time you have a pipe leaking, call a theoretical physicist.

So much for civility on this thread, you guys have fun.

 

[Klinkster]

Like it was ever here?

So much for civility on this thread, you guys have fun.

 

[phrodeau]

There are these things, you can usually find them in forests and vegetated areas.

I think they're called trees?

You really ARE a degreed scientist. Who else would come up with a complex, technological solution to something that already has a free and easy solution?

Reminds me of when NASA figured out pens wouldn't work in zero-g. They spent like $50m to develop a pressurized, super duper pen. The Russians just used pencils.

Fake news.

Pencils have tips that break easily and create a hazard in zero-G. The wooden kind also require special sharpeners.

Once pressurized pens were available, both NASA and the Russians bought them for their space program.

The history is here: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/

 

[gunthernehmen]

Because the two use cases are exactly analogous.

What? Air conditioners and trees? They're more alike than you think. Take a walk in the woods sometime.

Pencils have tips that break easily and create a hazard in zero-G. The wooden kind also require special sharpeners.

Interesting point about the pencil tips, although the graphite can be made harder.

 

[Shagly]

Nuclear reactors are the answer.

 

[Hal9000_]

Space elevators are the answer.

Nanotube technology. Super tensile cables to tether platforms in orbit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...-be-going-sooner-you-ever-imagined-ncna915421

 

[Que]

Nuclear reactors are the answer.

^Bingo.

Anyone who doesn't at least acknowledge that nuclear needs to be in the mix cannot be taken seriously as an environmentalist.

The biggest challenge with nuclear is figuring out what to do with the excess capacity during off-peak hours. Hear what we do is we pump water uphill and then we have hydroelectric during the day during peak hours.

There's also a technique using cranes where you lift giant concrete blocks into the air and then let them back out when you need the power.

Solar and wind are good for on-peak generation. Having a nuke nearby with plenty of excess capacity when the solar is done for the night is a nice pairing.

The same idiots that are championing the idea that solar like everything else in life is getting better cheaper faster don't fully appreciate the limitations of getting that last potential efficiency out of a solar panel. We're pretty close to what realistically can be done. We're nowhere near close to what can be done with nuclear. We don't even really know very much about it yet.