Climate continues to change.

[RocketLauncher]

I have a hobby.
It’s posting senseless comments.
And not answering questions.

Fyp;yw.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Agree, mostly. They are as dumb as a bag of hammers. When politely given an opportunity to explain why they disagree with climate change they resort to deflection and ad hominem arguments. Classic sealioning, but largely unintentional.
Qeew, otoh, attempts to understand and refute the science behind it. Not stupid just misguided, sensitive and easily triggered. He kinda reminds of that child the mean kids pick on, the more abuse they toss his way the more he supports them and wants to be their friend. Come out of the dork side, Qeew.

I don't think anybody in this discussion "disagrees" with climate change.

We disagree on the causes, for sure.

And without a doubt, disagree on how to deal with it.

IF CC is substantially caused by human activity, then we can change it. But to change it, we would have to RADICALLY alter how we generate and consume energy, not just here in the USA but everywhere. We can't do that without causing WWIII and then everyone dies. Of course, if we don't everyone dies anyway.

If CC is NOT substantially caused by human activity, then nothing we do will change it.

Therefore my view on climate change is "whatever".

 

[Klinkster]

Fyp;yw.

Add to your hobbies....
Changing other’s quotes.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Agree, mostly. They are as dumb as a bag of hammers. When politely given an opportunity to explain why they disagree with climate change they resort to deflection and ad hominem arguments. Classic sealioning, but largely unintentional.
Qeew, otoh, attempts to understand and refute the science behind it. Not stupid just misguided, sensitive and easily triggered. He kinda reminds of that child the mean kids pick on, the more abuse they toss his way the more he supports them and wants to be their friend. Come out of the dork side, Qeew.

Very easily triggered, and derailed. I think in Que's ideal world he'd provide repudiation of the science, but it falls apart on him quickly. It only takes one solid post to make him return to his ad hominem meta commentary.

 

[von_Bismarck]

I don't think anybody in this discussion "disagrees" with climate change.

We disagree on the causes, for sure.

And without a doubt, disagree on how to deal with it.

IF CC is substantially caused by human activity, then we can change it. But to change it, we would have to RADICALLY alter how we generate and consume energy, not just here in the USA but everywhere. We can't do that without causing WWIII and then everyone dies. Of course, if we don't everyone dies anyway.

If CC is NOT substantially caused by human activity, then nothing we do will change it.

Therefore my view on climate change is "whatever".

Lolwut.

 

[RocketLauncher]

I don't think anybody in this discussion "disagrees" with climate change.

We disagree on the causes, for sure.

And without a doubt, disagree on how to deal with it.

IF CC is substantially caused by human activity, then we can change it. But to change it, we would have to RADICALLY alter how we generate and consume energy, not just here in the USA but everywhere. We can't do that without causing WWIII and then everyone dies. Of course, if we don't everyone dies anyway.

If CC is NOT substantially caused by human activity, then nothing we do will change it.

Therefore my view on climate change is "whatever".

Thank you. I appreciate a straightforward answer. Whether I agree with someone or not is irrelevant. I'm willing to keep an open mind and dialectics are a fabulous learning tool. Kudos to you, my friend. Btw, I love your nihilistic view.

Add to your hobbies....
Changing other’s quotes.

Srsly, dude, I'm done with you.

 

[Klinkster]

Srsly, dude, I'm done with you.

Well if that was true, you would quit replying to my posts.....dumb-ass.......

 

[gunthernehmen]

Lolwut.

Ok, go tell China, N. Korea, India and so on that they must stop using fossil fuels, right now. After they finish laughing, they'll say "no". We say "or else". They say "or else what". Look, the US can barely control what WE put in the air. You really think we would get away with telling everybody else in the world that they have to stop burning oil/coal/gas? They won't. Ever.

To China's credit, they are actively developing nuclear and fusion technology. But that's decades before it can be taken seriously.

Thank you. I appreciate a straightforward answer. Whether I agree with someone or not is irrelevant. I'm willing to keep an open mind and dialectics are a fabulous learning tool. Kudos to you, my friend. Btw, I love your nihilistic view.

If everybody had an open mind, this discussion thread would be a lot less interesting

"Go ahead. Put 'em up, buster! I'll slaughter you!" (on both sides!)

 

[RocketLauncher]

Ok, go tell China, N. Korea, India and so on that they must stop using fossil fuels, right now. After they finish laughing, they'll say "no". We say "or else". They say "or else what". Look, the US can barely control what WE put in the air. You really think we would get away with telling everybody else in the world that they have to stop burning oil/coal/gas? They won't. Ever.

To China's credit, they are actively developing nuclear and fusion technology. But that's decades before it can be taken seriously.


If everybody had an open mind, this discussion thread would be a lot less interesting

"Go ahead. Put 'em up, buster! I'll slaughter you!" (on both sides!)

Not pertinent to the argument (sorry discussion), no one seems to have brought up the fact that the world's largest oil magnate, Saudi Ammurikha, has entered the arms race. Thought you might enjoy that tidbit since we both embrace a fatal/ nihilistic world view.

 

[thør]

To China's credit, they are actively developing nuclear and fusion technology. But that's decades before it can be taken seriously.

They're also building coal fired power plants outside China along the new "silk road economic belt".

 

[von_Bismarck]

Ok, go tell China, N. Korea, India and so on that they must stop using fossil fuels, right now. After they finish laughing, they'll say "no". We say "or else". They say "or else what". Look, the US can barely control what WE put in the air. You really think we would get away with telling everybody else in the world that they have to stop burning oil/coal/gas? They won't. Ever.

To China's credit, they are actively developing nuclear and fusion technology. But that's decades before it can be taken seriously.

That's not what I was lolwut-ing to. The part about transitioning energy systems causing WWIII and killing everyone is bizarre and unmotivated.

 

[trysail]

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"When in fear or in doubt,
run in circles— scream and shout."​

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[von_Bismarck]

Oh, look, everyone! trysail posted a graph! Guess we can all end the discussion now.

 

[Klinkster]

If it was a graph showing temps increasing, you would be touting it as fact, and jumping for joy.
Since it disagrees with your viewpoint, it’s garbage to you.

That’s how you you work skidmark.

Oh, look, everyone! trysail posted a graph! Guess we can all end the discussion now.

 

[von_Bismarck]

If it was a graph showing temps increasing, you would be touting it as fact, and jumping for joy.
Since it disagrees with your viewpoint, it’s garbage to you.

That’s how you you work skidmark.

But enough about that. How about the rat asses?

 

[Klinkster]

You are proving my point skidmark.

But enough about that. How about the rat asses?

 

[Que]

But enough about that. How about the rat asses?

It's adorable when you pretend to be a top when you are such an obvious bottom.

 

[von_Bismarck]

It's adorable when you pretend to be a top when you are such an obvious bottom.

Did you learn that one-liner from the ex?

 

[Que]

Did you learn that one-liner from the ex?

^puts the "rimming" in *rimshot*

 

[gunthernehmen]

That's not what I was lolwut-ing to. The part about transitioning energy systems causing WWIII and killing everyone is bizarre and unmotivated.

Just what do you think would happen if the US ordered China/India/Russia to dismantle all fossil fuel generation plants immediately, or else? World peace? And then we all sit around the campfire singing Kumbaya?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Not pertinent to the argument (sorry discussion), no one seems to have brought up the fact that the world's largest oil magnate, Saudi Ammurikha, has entered the arms race. Thought you might enjoy that tidbit since we both embrace a fatal/ nihilistic world view.

I'm sure they will go along with the consensus and stop using and marketing fossil fuels, without any fuss or violence, of course. We are civilized, after all.

 

[gunthernehmen]

They're also building coal fired power plants outside China along the new "silk road economic belt".

I don't mean to pick on China - just a convenient way of explaining how we don't have the authority to tell the rest of the world what to do.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Just what do you think would happen if the US ordered China/India/Russia to dismantle all fossil fuel generation plants immediately, or else? World peace? And then we all sit around the campfire singing Kumbaya?

They would probably ignore USA. If you're referring to USA forcing non-compliant nations into adopting alternative energy at the end of a barrel, that isn't transitioning energy systems causing WWIII, that's USA forcing compliance at the end of a barrel causing WWIII. You'd be conflating the two circumstances.

 

[Que]

They would probably ignore USA. If you're referring to USA forcing non-compliant nations into adopting alternative energy at the end of a barrel, that isn't transitioning energy systems causing WWIII, that's USA forcing compliance at the end of a barrel causing WWIII. You'd be conflating the two circumstances.

How about this : he can acknowledge that he could have articulated it slightly better and you can go ahead and acknowledge that you didn't think about or realize the implications of what he was saying and that you are now simply blustering in order to cover your shame. Own your shame. I realize it's kind of late at your age to learn to be a better person but you really should try.

 

[gunthernehmen]

They would probably ignore USA. If you're referring to USA forcing non-compliant nations into adopting alternative energy at the end of a barrel, that isn't transitioning energy systems causing WWIII, that's USA forcing compliance at the end of a barrel causing WWIII. You'd be conflating the two circumstances.

I'm conflating nothing. Just stating the inevitable outcome. You really should look up what words mean before you use them. You screwed up trying to use "irony" last night, too.

So, we order China to give up fossil fuels and they refuse. What's YOUR plan? What next? (hint - it involves everybody dying)