Climate continues to change.

[von_Bismarck]

Your graphic clearly shows the "cause" of climate change as a theory, not as a natural law. Thanks for that. It might help enlighten some of the fake scientists hereabouts like VB.

He's a little sketchy on scientific method.

Lol. I know more about scientific theories than you could ever hope to.

 

[RocketLauncher]

Your graphic clearly shows the "cause" of climate change as a theory, not as a natural law. Thanks for that. It might help enlighten some of the fake scientists hereabouts like VB.

He's a little sketchy on scientific method.

Srsly, you don't want to go there. He's been taking it pretty easy on you.

Lol. I know more about scientific theories than you could ever hope to.

I know, right?
Kinda cute watching him flounder, tho.

 

[thør]

"If you think that mitigated climate change is expensive, try unmitigated climate change." - H. Johannesen

 

[gunthernehmen]

Lol. I know more about scientific theories than you could ever hope to.

Maybe, but certainly not provable by your statements in this discussion. How's the funding coming for your plan to cork up the volcanos?

While you're planning your dastardly response that will leave me a quivering mass of wounded nerves, look up the definition of "hubris".

 

[trysail]

Half the time, the goddamned "planet savers" don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Here's a perfect example:




Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?

by Greg Rosalsky
NPR

"...But, people who used to reuse their shopping bags for other purposes, like picking up dog poop or lining trash bins, still needed bags. "What I found was that sales of garbage bags actually skyrocketed after plastic grocery bags were banned," she says. This was particularly the case for small, four-gallon bags, which saw a 120% increase in sales after bans went into effect.

Trash bags are thick and use more plastic than typical shopping bags. "So about 30% of the plastic that was eliminated by the ban comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags," Taylor says. On top of that, cities that banned plastic bags saw a surge in the use of paper bags, which she estimates resulted in about 80 million pounds of extra paper trash per year.

Plastic haters, it's time to brace yourselves. A bunch of studies find that paper bags are actually worse for the environment. They require cutting down and processing trees, which involves lots of water, toxic chemicals, fuel, and heavy machinery. While paper is biodegradable and avoids some of the problems of plastic, Taylor says, the huge increase of paper, together with the uptick in plastic trash bags, means banning plastic shopping bags increases greenhouse gas emissions..."


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[RobDownSouth]

Paper is worse than plastic? Who knew?
Paper decomposes in the soil in less than a year
Plastic takes 10,000 years but hai, let's think short-term folks.


Next up, Sister Trysail tells us how smoking cigarettes is actually good for the planet (lower life expectancy means fewer natural resources consumed)

 

[trysail]

https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/giss-global-temps.gif

"When in fear or in doubt,
run in circles— scream and shout."​

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[RobDownSouth]

When Sister Trysail panics, we're gonna get a graph.
*nods*

 

[Rightguide]

Half the time, the goddamned "planet savers" don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Here's a perfect example:




Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?

by Greg Rosalsky
NPR

"...But, people who used to reuse their shopping bags for other purposes, like picking up dog poop or lining trash bins, still needed bags. "What I found was that sales of garbage bags actually skyrocketed after plastic grocery bags were banned," she says. This was particularly the case for small, four-gallon bags, which saw a 120% increase in sales after bans went into effect.

Trash bags are thick and use more plastic than typical shopping bags. "So about 30% of the plastic that was eliminated by the ban comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags," Taylor says. On top of that, cities that banned plastic bags saw a surge in the use of paper bags, which she estimates resulted in about 80 million pounds of extra paper trash per year.

Plastic haters, it's time to brace yourselves. A bunch of studies find that paper bags are actually worse for the environment. They require cutting down and processing trees, which involves lots of water, toxic chemicals, fuel, and heavy machinery. While paper is biodegradable and avoids some of the problems of plastic, Taylor says, the huge increase of paper, together with the uptick in plastic trash bags, means banning plastic shopping bags increases greenhouse gas emissions..."


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We have to face the fact the left is, almost always, full of crap about everything.

 

[Ahusband76]

Pole shift is happening that is all.

 

[phrodeau]

Pole shift is happening that is all.

That sounds like a personal matter.

 

[gunthernehmen]

That sounds like a personal matter.

Ok, NOW I'm interested, Let's hear more about pole shifting!

 

[Shagly]

Using fossil fuels helps to create jobs.

warming the seasons saves on heating in Winter.

 

[butters]

Using fossil fuels helps to create jobs.

warming the seasons saves on heating in Winter.

jobs lost in fossil fuel-related industries will be balanced by jobs created in the newer fields of power-production

global warming creates more extremes of weather, and that includes freezing storms and massive snowfalls which require heating to keep warm in. duh. and hotter temperatures to extreme will require power for cooling equipment for homes and factories.

 

[gunthernehmen]

jobs lost in fossil fuel-related industries will be balanced by jobs created in the newer fields of power-production

global warming creates more extremes of weather, and that includes freezing storms and massive snowfalls which require heating to keep warm in. duh. and hotter temperatures to extreme will require power for cooling equipment for homes and factories.

No they won't. Coal miners and oil riggers will either simply be out of work (welfare) or retraining to become Uber drivers or something, not designing solar panel arrays or cad modeling turbines for wind farms.

The weather swings, whether caused by us, by nature or a mix of the two will not even out, at least not by OUR efforts.

To the extent that global warming is caused by humans, that simply won't change because people won't stop consuming energy and resources unless there is a massive die off of humans. Nobody and that includes Phro, that Thor guy, Von BS and everyone else, NOBODY will stop consuming energy for their own comfort.

To the extent that global warming is caused by natural processes, just what the hell do you think we can (or even SHOULD) do to interfere?

 

[thør]

Using fossil fuels helps to create jobs.

warming the seasons saves on heating in Winter.

Don Young told me the same thing today

 

[phrodeau]

There will always be enough renewable energy for everyone. It’s only a matter of collecting it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-potential-of-solar-power-2015-9

In a single hour, the amount of power from the sun that strikes the Earth is more than the entire world consumes in an year.

To put that in numbers, from the US Department of Energy:

Each hour 430 quintillion Joules of energy from the sun hits the Earth.

In comparison, the total amount of energy that all humans use in a year is 410 quintillion Joules.

 

[thør]

It only $$$$

 

[Que]

There will always be enough renewable energy for everyone. It’s only a matter of collecting it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-potential-of-solar-power-2015-9

If you want to live on Trantor.

As a miner, I support your quest to tear up the earth to find all the copper and rare earths you will need to do that. I am sure the heavy equipment manufacturers, the toxic, smelly, tire companies and the evil oil exploration, drilling, recovery, transport, refining, and transport companies required to realize your sun-less Utopia appreciate your support as well.

I bet you are a big fan of "renewable" ethanol as well, yes?

 

[phrodeau]

It only $$$$

For a bit.

 

[phrodeau]

No they won't. Coal miners and oil riggers will either simply be out of work (welfare) or retraining to become Uber drivers or something, not designing solar panel arrays or cad modeling turbines for wind farms.

The weather swings, whether caused by us, by nature or a mix of the two will not even out, at least not by OUR efforts.

To the extent that global warming is caused by humans, that simply won't change because people won't stop consuming energy and resources unless there is a massive die off of humans. Nobody and that includes Phro, that Thor guy, Von BS and everyone else, NOBODY will stop consuming energy for their own comfort.

To the extent that global warming is caused by natural processes, just what the hell do you think we can (or even SHOULD) do to interfere?

If you want to live on Trantor.

As a miner, I support your quest to tear up the earth to find all the copper and rare earths you will need to do that. I am sure the heavy equipment manufacturers, the toxic, smelly, tire companies and the evil oil exploration, drilling, recovery, transport, refining, and transport companies required to realize your sun-less Utopia appreciate your support as well.

I bet you are a big fan of "renewable" ethanol as well, yes?

Well there you go. The coal miners can mine copper and heavy metals instead.

 

[gunthernehmen]

There will always be enough renewable energy for everyone. It’s only a matter of collecting it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-potential-of-solar-power-2015-9

If you want to live on Trantor.

As a miner, I support your quest to tear up the earth to find all the copper and rare earths you will need to do that. I am sure the heavy equipment manufacturers, the toxic, smelly, tire companies and the evil oil exploration, drilling, recovery, transport, refining, and transport companies required to realize your sun-less Utopia appreciate your support as well.

I bet you are a big fan of "renewable" ethanol as well, yes?

But we can collect sunshine just by going outdoors and looking up at the sky! Who needs electricity pouring out of wall outlets, anyway? Who needs comfortable 68F air wafting over up as we sip our imported orange juice and have Alexa read 1984 to us from Audible.

Who are you (Phro) kidding? "Renewables" cannot sustain our society EVER and nobody is ever going to give up their creature comforts in order to save the planet.

Quit wasting our time and resources with Green New Deal BS and find a way to COPE with climate change. Or die. Those are the two possible options. Cope or die.

 

[Que]

Well there you go. The coal miners can mine copper and heavy metals instead.

Coal is soft and you can actually mine it in continuous rows which can be fully automated. Once you get through the overburden large pockets are entirely usable. What we're talking about is Hard Rock mining it is going to require explosives for what you need petrochemicals, and what you need is few and far between. My truck is rated for 312 tons the most I ever carried at one time was 368 tons. The richest copper or that I ever carried was 1%. It takes on average one full truck load to make one tone of copper.

Where are us are far more rare than that. Hence the name.

I could run two loads an hour and I burn an average of over 50 gallons per hour. So you figure it takes about 25 gallons of diesel to make one ton of copper.

Then of course you got to generate some power for the electrowinning plant. Can't go solar for two reasons one we're constantly moving large piles of dirt from one place to the others there's no place to set it up secondly if we did set it up flyrock would inevitably hit the solar panels. Ply rock is what happens when you set off high-yield explosives to blow up a bench. A bench is 50 ft tall.

By the way you're going to have to build some new tire factories. Each mold takes two days to make one tire. So, per mold, 150ish tires a year. My truck needed 6 of them @ $60,000 each. When copper is trading at $4 plus a pound every single Tire in the entire world was spoken for. We were running russian-made Bellshina tires and having to reduce our speeds because of the frequency with which those tires would blow. It was quite a while before we could go back to using bridgestone's and normal speeds again.

Given the value of those tires and the demand they push them to $60,000 a piece you would think that all the tire manufacturers would ramp up production. Which they did as best they could but it takes a very long time to build the plan to build tires that big.

So no, taking all the equipment from all the coal mines in the world as well as personnel wouldn't even begin to touch what you need.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Coal is soft and you can actually mine it in continuous rows which can be fully automated. Once you get through the overburden large pockets are entirely usable. What we're talking about is Hard Rock mining it is going to require explosives for what you need petrochemicals, and what you need is few and far between. My truck is rated for 312 tons the most I ever carried at one time was 368 tons. The richest copper or that I ever carried was 1%. It takes on average one full truck load to make one tone of copper.

Where are us are far more rare than that. Hence the name.

I could run two loads an hour and I burn an average of over 50 gallons per hour. So you figure it takes about 25 gallons of diesel to make one ton of copper.

Then of course you got to generate some power for the electrowinning plant. Can't go solar for two reasons one we're constantly moving large piles of dirt from one place to the others there's no place to set it up secondly if we did set it up flyrock would inevitably hit the solar panels. Ply rock is what happens when you set off high-yield explosives to blow up a bench. A bench is 50 ft tall.

By the way you're going to have to build some new tire factories. Each mold takes two days to make one tire. So, per mold, 150ish tires a year. My truck needed 6 of them @ $60,000 each. When copper is trading at $4 plus a pound every single Tire in the entire world was spoken for. We were running russian-made Bellshina tires and having to reduce our speeds because of the frequency with which those tires would blow. It was quite a while before we could go back to using bridgestone's and normal speeds again.

Given the value of those tires and the demand they push them to $60,000 a piece you would think that all the tire manufacturers would ramp up production. Which they did as best they could but it takes a very long time to build the plan to build tires that big.

So no, taking all the equipment from all the coal mines in the world as well as personnel wouldn't even begin to touch what you need.

I was crying when I had to pay $350 each for tires last year... $60kx6?

 

[Klinkster]

I always find it interesting, that enviro-types have no problem covering up thousands of aces of land with solar panels, bird chopping wind turbines and bird frying heliostats, but if a mining company wants to poke a hole in the ground to get the materials to build all those things, and all the other conveniences and necessities of life.......oh no no....can’t do that.