Climate continues to change.

[Dribble]

Fun fact.

100% of all climate "scientists" would be on unemployment if irrefutable evidence that climate change is not human caused were presented.

Not like they have any skin in the game LOL

Fun fact. Learn how research grants are funded before making erroneous blanket statements. You might actually be surprised.

 

[coati]

*chuckle*

It's cute the way you actual science deniers mouth "peer reviewed" like it means. . .anything at all.

And, I suppose you or Fox News or the hacks hired by the petroleum industry are the final word on what is actual science and what is fake science. Certainly we cannot depend upon the conclusions of the vast and overwhelming majority of climate scientists reviewing the whole body of studies related to this subject when we have know-it-all political or industry hacks making those judgments.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Typical of you religious nutcases.

"THEY" don't want you to know that________________"

No one (including you) purchases gasoline or heating oil based on whether they believe in your fantastical religion. I drive a generation II Prius because they tend to last 500,000 miles not because it gets great gas mileage, that's just a side benefit.

Do you drive one of these small SUVs or do you drive a full-size SUV? You've never mentioned. You've also never mentioned installing solar panels. I've never heard you discuss purchasing items second hand.

I often hand wash and bone-dry my clothes. Do yo?

Why is it that, with your slavish devotion to this religion, you've never once offered any practical suggestions how any of us could or should reduce our carbon footprint?... It's almost like you don't really believe this stuff.

I suspect you just like the vibrations of your voice when you sing in the choir

Just based on what you posted, I'm confident that you are doing more to "save the planet" than all the eco nuts in this thread. Phro claims he lives in a cave but I'm willing to bet he lives in a comfy house with Central HVAC.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Individuals/consumer carbon emissions are inconsequential vs emissions from industry and electricity production. The "what do you drive" retort is the most infantile response to any real discussion of what needs to happen to curb the reckless pollution of our air and water. Stopping pollution, net-zero emissions and non-carbon energy generation on an industrial scale is the only meaningful approach.

The comparison of the science of the effects of pollution on the environment to a religion is even more absurd.

Where do these people come from?

 

[coati]

Where do these people come from?

From under the rock where the reptilian portion of their brains were programmed.

God I will be glad when we once again have an administration that accepts science. This is like living in the Middle Ages.

 

[trysail]

"Where's the beef?"





GISS Global Temperature Series ( 1880- )


https://suyts.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/image69.png





That is one helluva correlation:



Atmospheric CO2 v. Temperature anomaly °C.

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/image1.png


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[Dribble]

See the upward trend in both? If you actually ran a correlation, what you would see is known as a significant positive correlation. So why didnt you run the correlation? I know statistics is not your forte. Stick with crayons next time and maybe you will feel better.

 

[trysail]

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png



http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png


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[von_Bismarck]

So the loss of sea ice is approaching two standard deviations over a period of years to a single decade? Thank you, trysail, for making the case that global warming is an issue of major importance.

 

[trysail]

When will you begin adhering to the tenets of scientific method?

When will you admit that correlation is not causation?

When will you admit that the historic temperature record prior to the advent of satellite-based measurement is completely unreliable?

When will you admit that the soi-disant "science" of climatology is (at best) primitive and immature?

When will you admit that you have absolutely no idea what climate sensitivity is?

When will you admit that climate change attribution is completely unknown?

When will you admit that any climate change we have witnessed is entirely within the bounds of natural climate variability?

When will you admit that computer forecasts of the climate (a multivariate [possibly chaotic], non-linear, dynamic, poorly understood system) are not science?

When will you admit that there is almost no evidence of anything remotely resembling dangerous climate change?


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[gunthernehmen]

When will you begin adhering to the tenets of scientific method?

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Didn't you read the proclamation about the gold standard? Climate Scarologists are now really, REALLY certain global warming is caused by mankind.​

 

[gunthernehmen]

Individuals/consumer carbon emissions are inconsequential vs emissions from industry and electricity production.

Are you perhaps unaware that most "home" HVAC systems are powered by centrally produced electricity, generally created by burning oil, gas or coal?

I'm sure there must be SOMEONE running an ecologically sensitive cooling/heating system in their home, but nobody I know. And nobody YOU know, either.

Own your hypocrisy.

 

[Que]

And, I suppose you or Fox News or the hacks hired by the petroleum industry are the final word on what is actual science and what is fake science. Certainly we cannot depend upon the conclusions of the vast and overwhelming majority of climate scientists reviewing the whole body of studies related to this subject when we have know-it-all political or industry hacks making those judgments.

What a lot of words you type to completely miss the point. The point is people that use phrases like the consensus (as if that has any role in actual science) and settled science (an oxymoron) are morons.

"Peer reviewed" means "worships in the same church."

 

[Dribble]

So the loss of sea ice is approaching two standard deviations over a period of years to a single decade? Thank you, trysail, for making the case that global warming is an issue of major importance.

Exactly. National security issue for sure. No other evidence required. Thank you trysail for once again, proving the issue is real.

 

[Rightguide]

https://i.imgur.com/dNgjeus.png

 

[Dribble]

What a lot of words you type to completely miss the point. The point is people that use phrases like the consensus (as if that has any role in actual science) and settled science (an oxymoron) are morons.

"Peer reviewed" means "worships in the same church."

Coming from a guy that has never published anything.

 

[butters]

From under the rock where the reptilian portion of their brains were programmed.

God I will be glad when we once again have an administration that accepts science. This is like living in the Middle Ages.

it is, and is quietly getting worse every month as more and more scientists, actual real scientists, are defunded or let go due to shrinking staffing, only to see the kind of science-deniers/conmen and plain old ignorant get the power and airtime to do real damage to the uninformed.

 

[trysail]

...All of this “hottest year on record” nonsense is absurd, we are talking about very small changes in the average temperature. The surface temperature records are only accurate to +-0.2°C at best and almost all of the last 35 years of satellite and weather balloon data fit between -.2°C and +.2°C...

-Andy May, Ph.D.​

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[von_Bismarck]

https://i.imgur.com/dNgjeus.png

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wind-idiot-power/

 

[RocketLauncher]

Are you perhaps unaware that most "home" HVAC systems are powered by centrally produced electricity, generally created by burning oil, gas or coal?

I'm sure there must be SOMEONE running an ecologically sensitive cooling/heating system in their home, but nobody I know. And nobody YOU know, either.

Own your hypocrisy.

You might not but I do. They're home is heated by geothermal energy.There are water pipes in the walls that carry the heat around the house. In winter the floors get nice and toasty.

 

[Rightguide]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wind-idiot-power/

https://i.imgur.com/0QR91QY.png

 

[gunthernehmen]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wind-idiot-power/

The United States subsidizes renewable (non hydro) energy to the tune of $158B/year.

The United States spends around $1.2T on electricity (total) each year. More now. to be clear. That data is old.

The United States generates about 10.1% of its electricity from renewable (non hydro) sources.

We therefore spend about 13% of our total energy budget to generate about 10% of our electricity.

And that's just in subsidies. The companies that build these generating plants are paying as well. The real total is much higher.

It's almost like Alexandria OC is their financial adviser ROFL

The ONLY argument that can possibly be made for renewable energy (as it exists today) is that it slightly reduces the ecological impact of generating the energy. And frankly, the only people that CARE are the climate scarologists that make a living off of this crap.

If you actually CARE about the climate then push to expand the use of nuclear power. Wind and solar are as practical as harnessing Unicorns for mass transit.

NOBODY (most especially the scarologists) will significantly reduce their use of energy and our current technology for renewable energy is a net negative.



https://www.nei.org/CorporateSite/m...nalysis-of-us-energy-incentives-1950-2016.pdf

http://eia.doe.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/sec3_11.pdf

 

[phrodeau]

Just based on what you posted, I'm confident that you are doing more to "save the planet" than all the eco nuts in this thread. Phro claims he lives in a cave but I'm willing to bet he lives in a comfy house with Central HVAC.

Please explain why living in a comfy house with central HVAC is bad for the planet, without mentioning any science.

 

[Rightguide]

Please explain why living in a comfy house with central HVAC is bad for the planet, without mentioning any science.

It couldn't exist without fossil fuels.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Please explain why living in a comfy house with central HVAC is bad for the planet, without mentioning any science.

Why? You talk about climate change without mentioning any science. Why shouldn't I?