Voting on Stories

[JeffJared]

Voting Abuse on Stories

I don't actually care too much about the votes really and my stories have all so far been between a similar range. But my last story was 1 whole mark lower than all the others and within only a couple dozen votes. The first few votes were all high, which led me believe somewhere in between it got some "1" which polarized and pulled it down.

I can only surmise b/c I write in the nonconsent/reluctance category, perhaps someone was offended by the brutality of this story. But since voters don't leave comments, I will never know. I think there should be a policy that any vote of 1 are required to leave a comment explaining themselves. It helps the author to know if they did something wrong and what needs to be improved upon in the future.

I think this category is difficult to write for b/c the term can be interpreted in many ways. In my first story, it is reflected in an alcohol compromised situation. The following series was about a submissive being trained and pushed beyond her limits. The one after that was about pushing a man's cuckold fantasy into reality watching his wife fights her inner slut.

My last story falls along similar but different theme, of a young college virgin learning for the first time about the reality of sex and how to satisfy a woman by observing another woman satisfying his girlfriend by using other men to do her biddings. I thought in general, people like or don't like the story it would fall in the same range as the other, so you can understand my surprise when it was that much lower and thus interested me in trying to understand why.

Any comments appreciated, thank you.

 

[Hypoxia]

Any comments appreciated, thank you.

My usual: We get to decide why we write and post stories on LIT, since we are not paid with valuta. What's the REAL motivation?

Maybe we think brownie points (views, votes, faves, and non-murderous comments) are payment. I cured myself after a huge one-bombing but I still appreciate faves. I like the attention my back catalog gains.

Maybe we write mainly to amuse, expose, or excuse ourselves. Let your freak flag fly! I'm there, and I'm also speculating on what might have been. Call it what-if or even alt.history.

Maybe claim we're improving our craft. Write write write, the best training. Or we want to provoke fucktards -- welcome to LW. Or our inner demons compel us to scribble/keyboard away. Many write because they MUST.

But psychoanalyzing LIT readers is futile. Various will love, hate, or ignore you, for whatever reason, maybe obsessively. You don't know them. Less than 1% will respond to you in any way, so you really have no clue. Fuck-em. Write what you want. If you don't like reactions, write something else.

While you're at it, write comments on other folks' stories. See how it feels.

 

[JeffJared]

Thanks! It was just a curiosity b/c all the other stories were all within similar range. I'm just naturally curious at the oddities.

But yeah, I enjoy sharing and I might just disable the votes/comments in the future. I only left it on b/c they were default options.

 

[NotWise]

For those interested, I think the story is here.

I'm not sure what you're asking, other than that we read all of your stories and tell you why this one didn't work as well as the others.

I've never read a thing in Non-con. I started into your story and found a long narrative introduction of characters who I found not very likeable. Then I stopped. I have no other comment.

 

[KeithD]

Votes happen.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Thanks! It was just a curiosity b/c all the other stories were all within similar range. I'm just naturally curious at the oddities.

But yeah, I enjoy sharing and I might just disable the votes/comments in the future. I only left it on b/c they were default options.

I second everything Hypoxia said above.

In addition, leave the votes and comments on; they are (mostly) valuable. Yes it's completely unfiltered and unpredictable but that's the point.

 

[NotWise]

I second everything Hypoxia said above.

I second everything that KeithD said above.

 

[JeffJared]

In addition, leave the votes and comments on; they are (mostly) valuable. Yes it's completely unfiltered and unpredictable but that's the point.

I disagree. Since posting this thread, there was a sudden drop in ALL my stories' ratings, some severely. Since those stories were old and have significant votes already, to have such dramatic drop means all the new votes were "1s"

It's sad to state the obvious, there are some trolls out there. I suspected this from the beginning when I posted this thread b/c the votes for that story started out very "standard" like all others. Then there was a sudden massive drop. I suspected some people are trying to boost their own scores by dragging other people's stories down.

After posting this thread, it confirms it as now ALL my stories took a vote dive. Some significantly within only minutes with a few votes, obviously they're all "1s."

I find it sad b/c we expect those things in heated political forums maybe, but a website devoted for people to write kinky stories? That's just low and pathetic. I hope the staffs at Literotica do something about this otherwise the whole voting system is meaningless.

I don't care about the votes in sense I'm not here to compare to other authors. But I do use them to compare my stories to my other stories to know what works, what doesn't, etc... and most interested to know whether there is a sudden drop in my creativity or am I becoming too cliche?

I have disabled all voting for my stories and will continue to do that in the future.

Very disappointed and disgusted. I have considered just taking my work elsewhere. But I will not punish everyone for the behavior of a few.

 

[KeithD]

But I do use them to compare my stories to my other stories to know what works, what doesn't, etc... and most interested to know whether there is a sudden drop in my creativity or am I becoming too cliche?

The thrust of my "votes happen" comment is that you cannot, with any meaningful result, compare the voting on stories even between your own stories. There are millions of readers trotting through Literotica over time, thousands and thousands at any given point in time. They each/all are completely separate readers with completely separate likes and dislikes and with no discernible pattern on whether or what mix that will exist in the reading of any two of your stories. People just gotta have meaningful data. They can't seem to understand when the data that's going to be available isn't really meaningful because it's a moving and varied combination of disparate likes/don't likes/didn't see/didn't feel like reading today.

This isn't an attempt to talk you out of turning your votes or comments off. Do as you please. Your prerogative/responsibility. This is a "the data don't tell you what you want to know in this case" reality.

 

[JeffJared]

This isn't an attempt to talk you out of turning your votes or comments off. Do as you please. Your prerogative/responsibility. This is a "the data don't tell you what you want to know in this case" reality.

Don't worry, I do understand your comment. While I do know the stories are open to all readers, but to vote, a person must have an account. I just find it not really well developed and open to abuse. Anyone can create multiple accounts and spam votes without reason or justification.

When all my stories ranged from 4.25-4.75 and then suddenly 1 story which started out the same dropped to 3.25? I'm the same author in the same style, writing in the same manner. That was already an indication something is wrong with the voting system, some people are abusing it.

Then since putting out this thread, all my stories dropped. As I've said, some significantly within only a few minutes with a few votes. I highly doubt an influx of people suddenly decided to read and vote my stories. More likely a few individuals decided to spam "1s" on one or many accounts.

I hope the staff is paying attention to this, I may not care and can disable my votes without problem. But some authors might care.

 

[KeithD]

but to vote, a person must have an account.

Nope, you don't have to have an account to vote on a story here. Sorry, I didn't read any further. I don't have much time for trying to make stats at Literotica mean something they don't/can't mean just because folks want them to.

 

[JeffJared]

Nope, you don't have to have an account to vote on a story here.

Oh really?! That's even worse! Then forget about it, definitely disabling votes.

Are staffs here doing anything about it? No?

Well, my issue is resolved. I simply disable them. But rest of you authors out there, you should put up a case if it bothers you knowing people can just spam VPNs and browsers to vote your stories down.


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High doubt random strangers reading the stories decided to all cast "1s" in the same span of 15 minutes for no reason, what would be the motive? Guaranteed this is done by some members on here.

 

[KeithD]

Literotica is a mom and pop operation (literally). Not really a "staffs" thing. And Mom and Pop Literotica rarely read on the discussion board and even more rarely indicate they care what's posted to the discussion board.

 

[Jada59]

I am having a tough time reading it. I started listing typos/mistakes but there were far too many. I have no clue what "banes" or "spazed" are.

Was the coffee table outside? If not, how could there be "ground"?

Other weirdness. "Not surprising of course". Leave that out.

Overuse of the word "well". Some people do add that into their sentences where it doesn't belong. So I can see that as a personality trait but you shouldn't be adding it when you write.

You keep talking about irritated nipples but I can't figure out how that occurred.

I did slog through the rest of it. Pretty much skimmed it. It wasn't the genre that got me. It was the writing. Just wasn't very appealing to me. Was actually rather boring. Sorry. That's my opinion.

 

[JeffJared]

I did slog through the rest of it. Pretty much skimmed it. It wasn't the genre that got me. It was the writing. Just wasn't very appealing to me. Was actually rather boring. Sorry. That's my opinion.

People are free to their opinion, of course. However, the topic of this thread has shifted.

As I've said, when all my stories ranged from 4.25-4.5+ and even this story started out in the general area, then suddenly in a short span of time with only a few votes dropped to 3.2? I am the same author, writing in the same style in the same category with the same shitty grammar. Why would it have such a huge drop?

And since I've started this discussion thread, all my stories suddenly dropped? Quite significantly too, with only a few more additional votes?

I mean, my issue is resolved, I just disabled all voting.

If you guys are ok with the vulnerable voting system, that's up to you.

I just think it is sad. This is a kinky sex forum, where people are suppose to be jolly and happy talking about these topics. Instead, I find the same old angry, bitter, jealous trolls as I do on political forums and gaming forums.

Well anyways, I won't be replying anymore to this thread. As I've said, my issue is resolved by disabling all the voting.

 

[KeithD]

Well, I'm quite OK with checking reality out for a while before making and acting on false assumptions. It's not like you've discovered the wheel on the voting dynamic here or are going to revolutionize that dynamic.

 

[JeffJared]

Well, I'm quite OK with checking reality out for a while before making and acting on false assumptions.

Are you an author? You want me to try downvoting all your stories on multiple VPN and browsers?

Don't worry, I'm not that bored.

But you choose to ignore the obvious just to insult me? I have multiple stories all in the general voting area, this one significantly lower, but to you that means nothing right? Then all my stories dropped significantly since posting this thread.

I bet you're one of the trolls involved.

Get a life.

 

[Jada59]

People are free to their opinion, of course. However, the topic of this thread has shifted.

As I've said, when all my stories ranged from 4.25-4.5+ and even this story started out in the general area, then suddenly in a short span of time with only a few vote dropped to 3.2? I am the same author, writing in the same style in the same category. Why would it have such a huge drop?

And since I've started this discussion thread, all my stories suddenly dropped? Quite significantly too, with only a few more additional votes?

I mean, my issue is resolved, I just disabled all voting.

If you guys are ok with the vulnerable voting system, that's up to you.

I just think it is sad. This is a kinky sex forum, where people are suppose to be jolly and happy talking about these topics. Instead, I find the same old angry, bitter, jealous trolls as I do on political forums and gaming forums.

Well anyways, I won't be replying anymore to this thread. As I've said, my issue is resolved by disabling all the voting.

The voting system means nothing to me. My votes generally go down too. But I have noticed that the lowest rated of mine seem to have the most typos.

 

[JeffJared]

The voting system means nothing to me. My votes generally go down too. But I have noticed that the lowest rated of mine seem to have the most typos.

Hey, thanks for your input. Sorry I kinda lost my cool back there with that other guy. Pretty sure he's a troll and downvoting people for no reason.

But yes, I agree with you b/c that happened to me before when one of my longer stories had too many typos, but it was still within the general range. A drop of 3.2 from a range of 4.25-4.75 is too big to ignore.

I'm rather new to this place, so I didn't realize you could disable the voting when I first published, else I would've done so from the start. I write for fun and this was suppose to be a fun place to share stories. Now I find the same trolling and assholes as I find in other type of forums. I may just quit and take my work elsewhere.

 

[JeffJared]

You must be one of these angry, resentful little guys who got turned down a lot by women so have to write abusive fantasies to make yourself feel superior. Get some therapy.

Nice one. Good job.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Oh really?! That's even worse! Then forget about it, definitely disabling votes.

Are staffs here doing anything about it? No?

Yeah, actually, the site runs periodic "sweeps" to detect and remove bogus votes. If you think your stories have been targeted, you can use the "report story" button to request a sweep on your stories.

Hey, thanks for your input. Sorry I kinda lost my cool back there with that other guy. Pretty sure he's a troll and downvoting people for no reason.

Seems unlikely. I've had plenty of arguments with KeithD over the years and I've never noticed downvotes on my stories as a result. It's not unknown for trolls to hang out on Story Feedback and target people who post here, but they're not necessarily the same people who are posting to the discussion here.

 

[TxRad]

Are you an author? You want me to try downvoting all your stories on multiple VPN and browsers?

Don't worry, I'm not that bored.

But you choose to ignore the obvious just to insult me? I have multiple stories all in the general voting area, this one significantly lower, but to you that means nothing right? Then all my stories dropped significantly since posting this thread.

I bet you're one of the trolls involved.

Get a life.

Good luck with that since he has way over a thousand stories under three different IDs.

Wait for the end of the month sweeps to see if any low votes are swept away. That is the best advice you will get here. If you want a sweep ran on your story, send a PM to Laurel, the one and only person vetting stories here. Include a reason why and a link to the story.

 

[Bramblethorn]

If you want a sweep ran on your story, send a PM to Laurel, the one and only person vetting stories here. Include a reason why and a link to the story.

My understanding is that Laurel prefers for people to use the "Report Story" button rather than PMing.

 

[KeithD]

Nice one. Good job.

I'm sorry if you'd rather not deal with reality. Asserting a fake quote to me pretty much defines you, by the way. Let me know how you feel about all of this after you've been here thirteen years across your accounts and have posted more than 1,000 stories to Literotica.

P.S., I had a run of 1s on my story file last night. You, I assume, particularly since you seem willing to attribute false statements to others. (If you assume, I can do so as well.)

 

[gunhilltrain]

And since I've started this discussion thread, all my stories suddenly dropped? Quite significantly too, with only a few more additional votes?

I mean, my issue is resolved, I just disabled all voting.

If you guys are ok with the vulnerable voting system, that's up to you.

I just think it is sad. This is a kinky sex forum, where people are suppose to be jolly and happy talking about these topics. Instead, I find the same old angry, bitter, jealous trolls as I do on political forums and gaming forums.

Well anyways, I won't be replying anymore to this thread. As I've said, my issue is resolved by disabling all the voting.

"Hello world!" I admit, when I found out that it was completely unfiltered it seemed daunting. I think I'm getting used to it. You can at least be sure that if someone does like your stuff they are genuine.

It's not all jolly and happy because the world isn't that way. As George Carlin said, "Human beings are capable of anything."

As an aside, I'm going to post the last story in the Valerie Solanas sequence even though the first three were not popular. The subject is just a little too - esoteric? (I guess people are not interested in celebrity-stalking radical feminist lesbians.) But I like what I wrote so I'm publishing it anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas