Finland Basic Income Trial Left People 'Happier but Jobless'

[DawnODay]

Supporters of basic income often believe an unconditional safety net can help people out of poverty, by giving them the time to apply for jobs or learn essential new skills....

Miska Simanainen, one of the... researchers behind the Finnish study, tells BBC News that this was what their government had wanted to test, in order "to see if it would be a way of reforming the social security system"....

Mr Simanainen says that while some individuals found work, they were no more likely to do so than a control group of people who weren't given the money.​

A. Nagesh, Finland basic income trial left people 'happier but jobless', BBC News (Feb. 8, 2019).

 

[My I]

This is what happens when people want everything for free on someone else's money and don't want to work for anything themselves. Sounds like what America is turning into. Everyone's plight is someone else's evil doings.

There are Jesuits here in America now claiming the NRA is the reason for Anti-Semitism. Please.

 

[dan_c00000]

help people out of poverty

As always racist dawn sees people getting help and wants to put a stop to it. First "she" needs to understand a few simple things.

First, if the basic income based on current spending/tax levels it would still put a person below the poverty line. Also, it would depend if the BI is replacing already existing benefit programs. In countries with good benefits programs (like Finland) a BI replacing the current benefits package would actually be worse off. Your article points this out the amount was rather small $634 a month. Not enough to lift a person out of poverty but in a world of freelance, permatemp work and mass underemployment a BI in addition to other benefit programs would go a long way to helping families.

In other words racist dawn the government is trying to alleviate the inherent inequalities in a capitalist system and when they did that they found out 1. it worked and 2. people were happy. Imagine that!

There's a lot to a BI or universal basic income that the article (and your racist ass) misses. It's probably not a bad idea to read up on it before getting destroyed, again.

About Finland: CATO ranked it as "more free" than the United States. So despite having way more wealth redistribution (not to mention less economic inequality) than the US Finland is ranked #10 and the US #17. I'd love to see you explain that one racist dawn.

 

[DawnODay]

.... I'd love to see you explain that one....

Read the article, not just the headline. This was a small test project that only "involved 2,000 randomly-selected people." It has nothing to do with the overall system, so there is no comparison to be had.

 

[dan_c00000]

I'm a racist and got triggered.

I know you did. Read what I wrote and then get back to me.

 

[LupusDei]

Read the article, not just the headline. This was a small test project that only "involved 2,000 randomly-selected people." It has nothing to do with the overall system, so there is no comparison to be had.

That's the main problem I see with this, no limited scale test run will give you data you want to see. To make it work as intended (maybe) you have to put in effect in the whole world at once, or else the early adopters will be in rather obvious trouble (well, one can argue that the likely countries are often in similar trouble already, so maybe it not that harsh, but still). And, there's no good way back once it's going, or people will be understandably angry. So it may not be bad idea on paper, but I don't believe it will ever see reality.

 

[gunthernehmen]

I know you did. Read what I wrote and then get back to me.

Like clockwork. You see you're losing the argument and you edit the words of the person that beat you to make it look like they are admitting to being racist.

It's actually getting to be pretty funny!

 

[KUJACK]

Happiness

Happiness is a measure of Love self-esteem and purpose

 

[dan_c00000]

Dawn is my alt and I got triggered.

You seem to follow me around a lot racist. Notice that in your previous post as dawn you didn't actually say anything except read the article. I destroyed you, again.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "You seem to follow me around a lot racist."

Can you believe those racist Trump-supporters attacking the television show Empire's gay/black actor Jussie Smollett, Dan? He says his attackers even repeatedly shouted "MAGA" at him while putting a noose around his neck! Whatever will these Trump-supporters from Nigeria do next?

Kyle Smith posted the following update today on the New York Post:

Don’t expect apologies from the left over Jussie Smollett ‘attack’ fraud

A lot of explosive material can get defused with nine little letters: “I was wrong.” It works wonders with your significant other. Try it. Frequently.

This week, now that the Chicago Police Department has “shifted the trajectory of the investigation” and now believes Jussie Smollett may have faked his own bias attack, we’ll be hearing apologies from a lot of progressive activists, celebrities and politicians.

With three simple words, they’ll disarm their detractors, pour oil on troubled waters. They’ll help to reunify a culture by admitting that sometimes their ideological opponents are correct.

Just kidding. Don’t hold your breath waiting for mea culpas from Cory Booker, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris, or (throwback time!) Al Sharpton, who opined that if Donald Trump simply remained silent on the Smollett matter, it would be sinister. The formerly successful actress Ellen Page blamed the nonexistent assault on… Mike Pence.

People said to be super-smart, and also Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, fell all over themselves to announce that they not only believed the woke 21st-century version of a 1980s abducted-by-aliens story but that they were in anguish about it. And they were not only in anguish but had detected an urgent sociological message about the nefariousness of the hateful right in America today.

Just to grease their path as they were skiing off the cliff, Trump pulled off one of his subtlest trolls yet when he publicly agreed with them, so they couldn’t accuse him of being insensitive. As an old military saying goes, never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself.

Ariana Grande tweeted, “what happened to jussie makes me really f—ing sick to my stomach. i can’t believe s–t like this is really still happening everyday.” Yeah, I couldn’t believe it either, so I didn’t. GQ writer Joshua Rivera, in a piece blaming “late-stage whiteness,” came up with this unforgettable description of the supposed attack: “While its veracity isn’t confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check.”

“I stand with you @JussieSmollett. We all do. This is America. Unfortunately,” said actress and writer Lena Waithe on Instagram. Fortunately not, I guess. Writer Roxane Gay tweeted, “I am so sorry to hear what happened to @JussieSmollett,” adding that she was “committed to holding this administration and its ilk accountable for this hothouse of hate being fostered.”

Oscar-winning “Moonlight” director Barry Jenkins tweeted, “Thinking of Jussie. Saddened. Heartbroken. Angry. ALL of it…this is F***ED. This what all that hateful mongering has wrought. Are you PROUD???” The question might today be turned back on him: How proud are you feeling of Smollett? How ashamed do you feel of yourself now?

“I was wrong” solves so much, but this week the apologies will be few and grudging, if there are any at all. Some progressive hysterics — the progsterics — will quietly delete their outraged tweets (as activist Shaun King has already done). Some will simply stew silently.

Most will use the latest #NarrativeFail to find some other reason for bashing President Trump, Vice President Pence, their supporters, the Republican Party and anyone declared guilty of “gloating” after being proven correct to doubt Smollett’s ridiculous made-for-television story.

Progsterics who made the previously little-known actor the most talked-about TV performer in America for the last three weeks will denounce conservatives for not shutting up about the whole affair. Smollett won’t apologize either. Nor will he suffer much in the way of repercussions, because he “started a conversation,” meaning he smeared the right people.

Denzel Washington, in a 2016 speech, had some wise words about media practices. “In our society, now it’s just first — who cares, get it out there. We don’t care who it hurts. We don’t care who we destroy. We don’t care if it’s true. Just say it, sell it. Anything you practice you’ll get good at — including BS.”

Given how social media has become a publishing platform for anyone famous enough to attract an audience, actors and activists have become a huge new source of progsteria.

These loudmouths and lamebrains have no editors, no oversight and no standards. They live in their fantasies. So it’s hardly surprising that they’re among the biggest spreaders of fake news.

I'm just glad that we have YOU here on this forum, Dan, to lead our fight against racism. You are our very own version of Jussie Smollett, along with being an expert on the Klan and everything that organization does.

 

[DawnODay]

You seem to follow me around a lot racist. Notice that in your previous post as dawn you didn't actually say anything except read the article. I destroyed you, again.

Congratulations gunthernehmen!

You have now joined the not very exclusive club of people dan_c00000 claims are my "alts"!

These include:

BotanyBoy

Boxlicker101

EmpressJosephine

PrincepsCyberius

Rightguide

And a number of others who don't come to mind at the moment.​

Suffice it to say that, in reality, I have no "alts." None of those people above are me. To be all the people dan_c00000 claims are my "alts," I would pretty much have to be here 24/7. I'm not. Unlike dan_c00000, I have a life.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Congratulations gunthernehmen!

You have now joined the not very exclusive club of people dan_c00000 claims are my "alts"!

These include:

BotanyBoy

Boxlicker101

EmpressJosephine

PrincepsCyberius

Rightguide

And a number of others who don't come to mind at the moment.​

Suffice it to say that, in reality, I have no "alts." None of those people above are me. To be all the people dan_c00000 claims are my "alts," I would pretty much have to be here 24/7. I'm not. Unlike dan_c00000, I have a life.

Well, since we're the same person you should PM me a pic of your, I mean OUR boobs!

 

[DawnODay]

Well, since we're the same person you should PM me a pic of your, I mean OUR boobs!

I'd usually take offense at something like that...

But that's just funny!