Universal Basic Income

[4est_4est_Gump]

My post wssn't that bad.

lol...

 

[IrezumiKiss]

He probably thinks it's something other than the poor people being shit with their money and engaging in self destructive behavior most of the time. Probably the evil white boogeyman with all his privilege holding everyone else down!!

MUAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! EEEEVIL WHYYTE BOOOGEEEMAN I SAY!!! HOO HOO HAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Had to add that in there, because crazy-eyes screwball yap just don't sound the same without that classic stovepipe top hat villain laughtrack!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I agree with you. There really isn't poverty in the United States.We have a benevolent society and we have an abundance of resources. We DO have plenty of mental illness. Our society has abrogated it's responsibility to address that because sometimes the solutions are not pretty. Admittedly the solution is expensive no matter how you address it. I don't think cost is the only issue, though. We have cultural problems. Some people believe they are "entitled". This was probably cultivated by the obscenely misguided "War on Poverty". If you haven't won that war in,what, 55 years, it's seriously time to surrender. Do the people a favor and tell them the truth. You're on your own and there is no safety net. Good citizens take care of themselves and are not a burden on society. You need to study hard, work hard and take care of your health. Those are your responsibilities.

The biggest roadblock to treating insanity was the ACLU who sued over the civil rights of the mentally ill to not be housed without due process in a sanatorium.


Same for the war on drugs. It's stupid and misguided.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I agree with Zumi...there is poverty.


I probably disagree why though. He probably thinks it's something other than the poor people being shit with their money and engaging in self destructive behavior most of the time. Probably the evil white boogeyman with all his privilege holding everyone else down!!

I think most poverty is self induced.

I think you have hit the nail on the head, but we also reward that "poverty" with all sorts of aid and assistance as pointed out by Ramone.

 

[Saint Peter]

The biggest roadblock to treating insanity was the ACLU who sued over the civil rights of the mentally ill to not be housed without due process in a sanatorium.


Same for the war on drugs. It's stupid and misguided.

That's crazy talk!


*lock*

 

[BotanyBoy]

Had to add that in there, because crazy-eyes screwball yap just don't sound the same without that classic stovepipe top hat villain laughtrack!

Anyone who disagrees is just a racist who needs to stay pressed.

I think you have hit the nail on the head, but we also reward that "poverty" with all sorts of aid and assistance as pointed out by Ramone.

Don't get me wrong I think there are those that are genuinely fucked up and need to be taken care of.

But they are a tiny fuckin minority next to the group that is just shit with their money and don't know how to adult.

 

[Ramone45]

The biggest roadblock to treating insanity was the ACLU who sued over the civil rights of the mentally ill to not be housed without due process in a sanatorium.


Same for the war on drugs. It's stupid and misguided.

True.

 

[Ramone45]

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I mean, there are always going to be some poor people. The United States do a pretty good job taking care of them. Even the best guy in the world, Jesus had a little bit of an attitude about the poor. I remember when that lady anointed his feet with the expensive nard. The snowflakes were pissed that it was a waste of money and that she should have given money to the poor. The Jesus said, "Hey, this feels good. You'll always have poor people to baby. I'm going to be checking out soon, so suck it".

 

[Libsam]

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” ~Milton Friedman

 

[Ishmael]

I mean, there are always going to be some poor people. The United States do a pretty good job taking care of them. Even the best guy in the world, Jesus had a little bit of an attitude about the poor. I remember when that lady anointed his feet with the expensive nard. The snowflakes were pissed that it was a waste of money and that she should have given money to the poor. The Jesus said, "Hey, this feels good. You'll always have poor people to baby. I'm going to be checking out soon, so suck it".

Always.

Ishmael

 

[BotanyBoy]

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” ~Milton Friedman

We aren't even putting equality before freedom.

It's equity the left is after, they fucking HATE equality.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I mean, there are always going to be some poor people. The United States do a pretty good job taking care of them. Even the best guy in the world, Jesus had a little bit of an attitude about the poor. I remember when that lady anointed his feet with the expensive nard. The snowflakes were pissed that it was a waste of money and that she should have given money to the poor. The Jesus said, "Hey, this feels good. You'll always have poor people to baby. I'm going to be checking out soon, so suck it".

Mmmm.

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[GiaCat]

Or national basic income.

The worry is automation will render human efforts so obsolescent that universal basic income, or some other analogous remediation, will be necessary to maintain the social fabric.

The trend towards automation afflicts more than unskilled labor. In a poll of AI experts, the first discipline believed to make human efforts completely redundant by machine intelligence is mathematics (which could happen as early as the mid 2020s). Other highly skilled services on the cusp of automation include, but are not limited to, medical diagnosis and surgery, programming, and translation.

But I wonder if the adoption of universal basic income is actually a worry - something we ought to be fearful of. There have been, and continue to be, pilot programs around the world at all levels of government. So far they have produced human success stories.

5 people from around the world share what it's like to get free 'basic income'

Basic income is having quite the moment.

Essentially a salary paid to people just for being alive, the idea has taken hold as a straightforward, non-partisan means to reduce wealth inequality, lift people from poverty, and increase life satisfaction.

Basic income experiments are underway in a number of countries, including Finland, the US, and Kenya. Many more experiments are expected to begin in 2017.

Been done before, Bread and Circuses in Rome. People did not have jobs because all of it was all done by slaves. So the masses where given free food and entertainment to keep them occupied

 

[Libsam]

I'm pro-UBI if we get rid of all the federal welfare programs, google just told me there's 80 of them.

I'm anti-adding-another-welfare-program.
And that's what it'd end up being.

I don't think people will vote for UBI when they hear "no more" Social Security, Medicade, SNAP, CHIP.

I don't think people will like hearing EVERYBODY gets UBI, rich and poor. (rich people pay in to and get SS and Meds now)

Also, what do you do when people make bad spending choices with their UBI?
Just shrug it off as natural selection?
Control it? How?
Government Regulations on choices? Religion? Unified cultural identity?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do you know who are the biggest pushers of the idea of UBI?

Surprise, it's not the poor. There's already a system out there that they know how to game and live comfortably off of, especially in our more urban environments.

The person who loves this idea the best is the overeducated lesser intellectual who thinks they have a right to live the life of an artist or poet and produce art that cannot be commercially consumed (because it isn't any good) and would be content to live the bohemian life as long as they have just enough coin to hang out in a cafe most of the day with their other deadbeat compatriots feeling all smug and superior to the bourgeois who 'work' and desire money more than art...

The true intellectual doesn't need this, because they produce that which society will actually consume.