"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting"

[silver gurl]

Small percentage? Yeah. I guess I need a #notallmen moment to remind you that the vast majority of the nearly 63 million votes cast for Donald Trump do not make up the voting block known as archconservative any more than the vast majority of the almost 66 million votes cast for Clinton constitute the extreme liberal left.

That is the ironic thing you and the people you abhor share. You need the buy-in or at least tacit support of a large number of more moderate voters than you because you do not have the political power to affect change on your own.

And then curiously when you lose, you ascribe the worst motivations to a LARGER segment of opposition voters than is accurate. Exactly what do you gain by describing the power of the opposition in greater focused energy and effect than is actually the case?

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And, yeah, it's on a par of stupidity as that of conservatives who take a pronounced liberal bias of the media and then whitewash everything they write or broadcast as 'fake news.' It seems both extremes can't give up the frenzied race to jump the shark.

I could say so much but I won’t.

You honestly believe that this president is capable? That is not out to protect his promises and his own agenda?

You think he feels bad for the shutdown...people going without pay checks?

There is no crisis or emergency at the border. It’s the same as it ever was. It’s an election ploy. And Trump getting his way. Open your eyes.

Trump motivation is worse , at best.

 

[KeithD]

I think "Colonel" H is collecting a check.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You're a fucking moron.

GOOGLE OOGLE BOOGLE TRANSLATE:

1) You're a woman
2) I can't refute the verity that you've shown me
3) My dwindling manhood makes me LASH OUT in desperation in order to save face in front of my schmucky male peers
4) ha ha ha I owned you with shaming ha ha ha

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[jaF0]

Still don't know who she/her is or what they said .....

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

Still don't know who she/her is or what they said .....

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"I voted for him, and he's the one who's doing this," Crystal Minton, a 38-year-old secretary said of Trump. "I thought he was going to do good things. He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."

He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.

Wow. There's so much in that quote worth unpacking.

Built into it is the idea -- as I noted above -- that lots and lots of people voted for Trump not because they thought he was some exemplary guy but because they were sick and tired of feeling taken advantage of or condescended to (or both) by the elites in this country. Trump might look like one of those elites -- raised in a wealthy family in New York City, educated at private schools, a billionaire -- but the "in" crowd had never accepted him either. That he looked like one of the elites but fought for the average guy was at the root of Trump's appeal. (I wrote about this extensively earlier in the week.)

The 2016 exit polling bears this all out. Just 1 in 3 voters said that Trump was honest and trustworthy. Only 38% thought he was qualified to be president. Less -- 35% -- thought he had the right temperament to be president. These are the numbers of a losing candidate EXCEPT that voters cared more about one thing more than all of Trump's less-than-attractive personal traits: Change. Of the 4 in 10 who said a candidate's ability to bring about change mattered most in their vote, Trump won more than 80% of the vote.

Trump's entire value proposition then as he looks to 2020 is to prove to voters that he promised to give the political class a rough time -- and that he did exactly that. He stuck it to those pencil-pushing bureaucrats! He stood up to the media bullies and called them out on their "fake news!" And he told Republican elected officials that they'd better get on board or run the risk of getting run over!

When Trump runs into trouble it is if his bull-in-a-china-shop routines starts producing collateral damage among the very people who voted for him because they thought he would protect them from the encroaching elites. It's fun to watch someone destroy a world you hate. It's much less fun when it's your world that's being dismantled.

The idea that Trump isn't punishing the people who deserve to be punished -- in the eyes of his supporters -- is the real danger that this prolonged government shutdown poses to him. While the prevailing wisdom is that most of the people who are hurt by the shutdown are Democrats anyway, Mazzei's story paints a far more nuanced picture of the whose hurt -- and why. And it's far from only Democrats.

It's easy sometimes, amid the back-and-forth messaging wars of the two parties, to lose sight of the fact that when the government shuts down for 18 days (and counting), it has real world impacts that last far longer, cut more deeply and are far more nuanced than many people in Washington's permanent political class realize.

This shutdown is influencing the way at least some people who supported him are now seeing Trump. And not in a good way for the President and his hopes of winning a second term in 2020.

Remember: If Donald Trump isn't a fighter for the working man, then he's just a schoolyard bully. And no one likes a schoolyard bully.

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What's missing here is context. Not everyone is an orator. Adrina jumped on the word hurt to encompass anyone who isn't against Trump. It's small thoughts like that that cause the fringe voters to step away from the uglier side of the Democratic party because believe it or not, NOT everyone thinks like them ... where as the real question is: What did the person saying the word hurt mean. I doubt she's a trained public speaker, and hurt was the only word that she could think of or that she actually feels hurt by past Presidents and their agendas.

Aside: That's a good point about the links. It's so easy to "trust" in them when on a forum, but why?

 

[adrina]

I could say so much but I won’t.

You honestly believe that this president is capable? That is not out to protect his promises and his own agenda?

You think he feels bad for the shutdown...people going without pay checks?

There is no crisis or emergency at the border. It’s the same as it ever was. It’s an election ploy. And Trump getting his way. Open your eyes.

Trump motivation is worse , at best.

There was a time when Hogan was respectable. Now he's just a partisan hack.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's the categorization of every Trump VOTER as a Trump SUPPORTER and, as you observe, the further alchemic transformation of every supporter as one motivated by JUST ONE THING, AND ONE THING ONLY -- a lust for blood.

So, if I understand you correctly, not all Trump VOTERS are Trump SUPPORTERS.

Deep, man. Really deep.

 

[chillywilly2]

I could say so much but I won’t.

You honestly believe that this president is capable? That is not out to protect his promises and his own agenda?

You think he feels bad for the shutdown...people going without pay checks?

There is no crisis or emergency at the border. It’s the same as it ever was. It’s an election ploy. And Trump getting his way. Open your eyes.

Trump motivation is worse , at best.

Its not that he is capable its that the alternative is so much LESS capable.
people ran from Hilary and the democrats for a reason and they haven't given a reason to go back to them yet.
Till the democrats come up with something people want then you are stuck with Trump...the lesser of 2 evils

There was a time when Hogan was respectable. Now he's just a partisan hack.

Holy crap...he didn't kiss your ass so now he's a hack...typical of you

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

So, if I understand you correctly, not all Trump VOTERS are Trump SUPPORTERS.

Deep, man. Really deep.

There are some people out there that say: Vote no matter what.

So, if they voted for Trump but aren't his supporter, then imagine how horrible they believe Hillary to be.

 

[jaF0]

So, if I understand you correctly, not all Trump VOTERS are Trump SUPPORTERS.

Is that what he said?

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[RobDownSouth]

Holy crap...he didn't kiss your ass so now he's a hack...typical of you

You haven't been paying attention have you? Hogan's cognitive decline over the past three years has been painful to watch. Since he retired, he seems to have nothing better to do with his time than watch Fox News and rave. He's a bitter old shell of his former self. Quite sad, actually. He's morphed into Amicus 2.0.

 

[adrina]

Its not that he is capable its that the alternative is so much LESS capable.
people ran from Hilary and the democrats for a reason and they haven't given a reason to go back to them yet.
Till the democrats come up with something people want then you are stuck with Trump...the lesser of 2 evils



Holy crap...he didn't kiss your ass so now he's a hack...typical of you

No he gets the label because the shoe fits.

Bitter asshole much?

 

[Hal9000_]

Bitter asshole much?

Bitter is better than spicy-hot.

 

[adrina]

Bitter is better than spicy-hot.

For salt and vinegar chips. Not so much in people.

 

[Hal9000_]

For salt and vinegar chips. Not so much in people.

I like dill pickle chips. Pickled peoples ain't worth a peck of pachyderms.

 

[adrina]

I like dill pickle chips. Pickled peoples ain't worth a peck of pachyderms.

They're not bad. I think I like the salt and vinegar ones better though.

And nope, not a single pinch. Or peck.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I could say so much but I won’t.

You honestly believe that this president is capable? That is not out to protect his promises and his own agenda?

You think he feels bad for the shutdown...people going without pay checks?

There is no crisis or emergency at the border. It’s the same as it ever was. It’s an election ploy. And Trump getting his way. Open your eyes.

Trump motivation is worse , at best.

Did I say that? Did I make any statement denying Trump's interest in advancing his own agenda to the exclusion of almost everything else?

Did I laud the motivations or tactics of Donald Trump?

NO!! I DID NOT!

Go back and read that post again. I merely pointed out that VOTERS, especially informed, intelligent voters rather than mere one-issue drones, usually have a variety of reasons for casting their votes that would distinguish them from RAMPANT SUPPORTERS of a candidate, and certainly from rampant supporters who, like the person Adrina cherry-picked from an online article, are only interested in inflicting suffering on political opponents.

I objected to the classification of the population of Trump supporters (and certainly the majority of his 46% popular vote block) who DO NOT seek physical, financial or emotional harm to those who disagree with them politically as being a "small percentage." That is ALL I am saying and it is, quite simply, an irresponsible factual distortion routinely practiced on both political extremes.

NONE of that has a thing to do with the personality defects of Donald Trump that I decidedly did NOT apologize for or dismiss. Please see the response I am about to make to Rob Down South for further clarification of this issue.

 

[Notcastor]

Please see the response I am about to make to Rob Down South for further clarification of this issue.

"For more of Col Hogan's Wisdom, please see the post he's about to make to _______"



Stupid Things People Say on the GB

 

[RobDownSouth]

Please see the response I am about to make to Rob Down South for further clarification of this issue.

I'll be waiting, old man. This ought to be fun.

P.S. Remember to randomly insert ALL CAPS WORDS because they're important.

 

[Notcastor]

I'll be waiting, old man. This ought to be fun.

P.S. Remember to randomly insert ALL CAPS WORDS because they're important.

Wait for it!....

 

[Colonel Hogan]

So, if I understand you correctly, not all Trump VOTERS are Trump SUPPORTERS.

Deep, man. Really deep.

That is EXACTLY what I am saying, and let me put as fine a point on it for you as I can.

I did not vote in the 2016 election. I was unexpectedly on the road and had not filed for an absentee ballot.

In many ways, I was grateful to be relieved of the responsibility. For most of the campaign, I marginally "favored" candidate Trump over Hillary Clinton, while passionately disrespecting BOTH. Trump was certainly my LAST choice among Republican candidates.

But I was going to vote for him....until just before the election when I realized I simply could not. Had I voted, I would have voted for Hillary Clinton. Merely writing that sentence makes me nauseous.

So, you tell me. Who do I support?

Had I voted for HRC and revealed that fact here, there aren't enough kilobytes accessible to the internet to contain the accusations of "communist, socialist, liberul nigger lover" that BusyBody would have hurled my way.

Of course, we know what a raving lunatic he is.

I am simply trying to point out that the same shoe fits when other people wear it. And you don that gay apparel when you essentially characterize ANY and ALL "support" of (and most certainly a mere vote for) SOME OF a President's broad social policies and isolated acts designed to further those policies AS BEING EQUIVALENT TO an enthusiastic endorsement of his megalomaniacal narcissism.

I am terribly sorry that you and the whack-case nut jobs at the other political extreme do not understand this distinction.

 

[Luk]

I did not vote in the 2016 election.

Oh, then do fuck off and keep your non-voting trap shut.

 

[chillywilly2]

Oh, then do fuck off and keep your non-voting trap shut.

Thats all you got???

 

[Kirkrapine]

In many ways, I was grateful to be relieved of the responsibility. For most of the campaign, I marginally "favored" candidate Trump over Hillary Clinton, while passionately disrespecting BOTH. Trump was certainly my LAST choice among Republican candidates.

But I was going to vote for him....until just before the election when I realized I simply could not. Had I voted, I would have voted for Hillary Clinton. Merely writing that sentence makes me nauseous.

I've never understood the Hillary-hate. If she's not your preferred choice, fine. But, nauseous, seriously?! And you could contemplate voting for Trump without getting nauseous?!

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I've never understood the Hillary-hate. If she's not your preferred choice, fine. But, nauseous, seriously?! And you could contemplate voting for Trump without getting nauseous?!

Obviously not, or voting FOR Clinton, as nauseously inducing as it was, would not have loomed as the PREFERABLE of the two options.

This is my point to you guys. Would you please try to focus on the entire context of what people are saying rather than just jumping on isolated words? If not, then please stop holding yourselves up as intellectually superior to conservative non-college graduates who clearly lack the same capability.

Thank you.