Schumer's disrespectful behavior extends gov't shutdown

[Oblimo]

Nope.
This is America. We can get 'er done.

Oh, I'm sure.

But it's a waste of money. Illegal immigration does not cause that much damage to the United States to be worth building and maintaining a trillion dollar border security system.

Just like no one wants to buy a car designed to be perfectly safe, no one wants to bankrupt our country to solve a minor problem.

 

[doowdniw]

I want a wall.
My neighbors want a wall. Any direction you pick to find a neighbor.

Alas....we are but nobodies.

Go down and build a six-foot section. Send your bill to Mexico. Good luck.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

The Thugs had control of gov't for two years and they did NOTHING about the Immigration they're always screaming about. They had their chance.

 

[Klinkster]

Oh, I'm sure.

But it's a waste of money. Illegal immigration does not cause that much damage to the United States to be worth building and maintaining a trillion dollar border security system.

Just like no one wants to buy a car designed to be perfectly safe, no one wants to bankrupt our country to solve a minor problem.

Think it's minor? Please do the math.
Welfare costs.
Education Costs.
Healthcare costs.
CRIME.
Loss of jobs to Americans.
US money going out of the country.

Add it up. That's just part of it.
Walls are proven effective. How much would a wall cost on the southern border, to be effective, and how much taxpayer money would it save?

 

[phrodeau]

70% encompasses quite a few more than voted for Trump.

There are only three types of illegals in this country and ALL are baseline criminals. they became so the second they crossed the border.

The first type have 'legitimate' jobs. They obtained those jobs with falsified identification. That is identity theft, a FELONY.

Then there are those that work the underground economy. Beyond sales tax they don't pay any. If they are running some sort of business they are doing so without license or insurance. They pay NO business taxes at all. That is tax fraud, also a FELONY.

ALL of the rest of the bastards are engaged in criminal activity of one sort or another, all FELONIES.


So just who wants their nation, state, community, overrun by a bunch of uneducated, unskilled, unhealthy, cockroach FELONS?

Maybe the people who sell roach food, roach schools, roach medicine and roach homes. And don't forget the roach guns - those guys need all the customers they can find these days.

 

[Luk]

70% encompasses quite a few more than voted for Trump.

There are only three types of illegals in this country and ALL are baseline criminals. they became so the second they crossed the border.

The first type have 'legitimate' jobs. They obtained those jobs with falsified identification. That is identity theft, a FELONY.

Then there are those that work the underground economy. Beyond sales tax they don't pay any. If they are running some sort of business they are doing so without license or insurance. They pay NO business taxes at all. That is tax fraud, also a FELONY.

ALL of the rest of the bastards are engaged in criminal activity of one sort or another, all FELONIES.


So just who wants their nation, state, community, overrun by a bunch of uneducated, unskilled, unhealthy, cockroach FELONS?

How many times does this bullshit have to be proven wrong for you to get it through your thick skull?

Think it's minor? Please do the math.
Welfare costs.
Education Costs.
Healthcare costs.
CRIME.
Loss of jobs to Americans.
US money going out of the country.

Add it up. That's just part of it.
Walls are proven effective. How much would a wall cost on the southern border, to be effective, and how much taxpayer money would it save?

You have no idea how welfare and healthcare costs works, obviously.
Immigrants cause less crime by a large percentage than "real" Americans.
What jobs are being "lost" to illegals?
You have no idea how trade works.

Other than all of that, you're totally on point!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Israel's wall is not a wall.

It is effectively.

because physical barriers are only as effective as the humans that guard them.

Exactly....

And cost half a trillion fucking dollars.

So??

More like, move to Israel.

More like, try being a US Citizen who gives a shit about your country.

 

[silver gurl]

Think it's minor? Please do the math.
Welfare costs.
Education Costs.
Healthcare costs.
CRIME.
Loss of jobs to Americans.
US money going out of the country.

Add it up. That's just part of it.
Walls are proven effective. How much would a wall cost on the southern border, to be effective, and how much taxpayer money would it save?

Loss of jobs to Americans? LOL Americans don't want those jobs...they would rather collect.

 

[Klinkster]

How many times does this bullshit have to be proven wrong for you to get it through your thick skull?



You have no idea how welfare and healthcare costs works, obviously.
Immigrants cause less crime by a large percentage than "real" Americans.
What jobs are being "lost" to illegals?
You have no idea how trade works.

Other than all of that, you're totally on point!

Well...that's just conjecture on your part.

Start here: https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households
Then....keep lookin'.

As far as less crime.....prove that leftist line.
A note....if they weren't here, they would be at 0%.

Taking jobs? Here's a NYT lib article for ya: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...kers/unskilled-workers-lose-out-to-immigrants

I worked for international companies. I have a clue how it works.

Get out and read a bit.
Talk to people who live in Sierra Vista, or Agua Prieta. Places close to the border. Or some CBP folks. You might learn something other than what you see on CNN.

 

[silver gurl]

And if 70% of Americans wanted a wall, why did the Dems win the house?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Loss of jobs to Americans? LOL Americans don't want those jobs...they would rather collect.

Sure they do...no, they wouldn't. If they did we would have a much much higher and growing welfare population like....Canada.

 

[Luk]

Well...that's just conjecture on your part.

Start here: https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households
Then....keep lookin'.

As far as less crime.....prove that leftist line.
A note....if they weren't here, they would be at 0%.

Taking jobs? Here's a NYT lib article for ya: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...kers/unskilled-workers-lose-out-to-immigrants

I worked for international companies. I have a clue how it works.

Get out and read a bit.
Talk to people who live in Sierra Vista, or Agua Prieta. Places close to the border. Or some CBP folks. You might learn something other than what you see on CNN.

An op-ed from a proven racist who is also wrong about everything isn't a source I will take much stock in, son.
I don't read that Liberal rag, sorry.
I don't watch much CNN so they do not shape my opinions in any way.

You're on a roll!

 

[phrodeau]

We all know how well walls have held up in Israel.

http://saltandlighttv.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wester-wall-wailing-610x343.jpg

 

[Klinkster]

Loss of jobs to Americans? LOL Americans don't want those jobs...they would rather collect.

Separate problem, and something that needs to be fixed.
That is also where bellisarius is wrong.
The majority come here to work, and they will take what they can get. They will live where they can, no matter the conditions.

Fact remains....they take the jobs that Americans are 'too good for'. Or maybe, too lazy for.
No job is too demeaning. It should never be. But again.....separate problem.

 

[ArtisticX]

I respect Chuck Schumer's role as anagonist to one of the most popular presidents of all time, but he, Chuck Schumer is certainly not to be taken seriously.

 

[BotanyBoy]

An op-ed from a proven racist who is also wrong about everything isn't a source I will take much stock in, son.
I don't read that Liberal rag, sorry.
I don't watch much CNN so they do not shape my opinions in any way.

You're on a roll!

LOL Luk can't refute them...just shit talk and ignore it.

Weak as ever

 

[Oblimo]

Think it's minor? Please do the math.
Welfare costs.
Education Costs.
Healthcare costs.
CRIME.
Loss of jobs to Americans.
US money going out of the country

Three things, well, two and a half:

A trillion dollar border system on the Mexican border will only affect the illegal immigration coming across the Mexican border. That's actually a very low percentage of illegal immigration, so it would barely put a dent in the costs you site, persuming they were all true in the first place.

Second, I don't think you appreciate how much a trillion dollars actual is.

The right-wing wackadoos at fairus.org peg the total cost of illegal immigration at $116 billion a year. Even if that number wasn't full of shit, that's simply not enough to justify spending even half a trillion dollar to get an Israel-border worth of protection.

And the a-half:

Let me quote you the god-damned Cato Institute about the relationship between welfare and illegal immigration:

One reason why immigrants use fewer benefits is because they are often not eligible for them. Legal immigrants cannot get welfare for their first five years of residency, with few exceptions, mostly at the state level. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare except for rare circumstances like emergency Medicaid.

Immigrants are drawn to America’s labor markets, not to welfare benefits. The number of illegal immigrants apprehended on the Southwest border, a good proxy measurement for the number who want to come here, is down by 82 percent in 2017 compared to 2000. During that time, Congress has increased the number of welfare programs available for new immigrants.

If they were coming for welfare, there would be more illegal immigrants entering the country than ever. But there aren’t. Murder, the chaotic drug war in Central America, and a recovering economy here, combined with a faltering one there, is the main driver of asylum seekers and some illegal immigrants coming from that part of the world.

Let me stress, Cato. Institute.

Walls are proven effective

No, walls have been proven extremely ineffective as deterrents in and of themselves. Israel's border protection has proven the effectiveness of a start up cost of a half trillion dollars to build a multi-tiered defense system including fences, human patrols, monitoring tech, and a standing army the participation in which is non-voluntary.

How much would a wall cost on the southern border, to be effective

Half a trillion would get us halfway there, for the start up cost alone. Then you need to maintain the bloody thing, at a few billion a year at least.

and how much taxpayer money would it save?

NOTHING​

.

 

[Klinkster]

Three things, well, two and a half:

A trillion dollar border system on the Mexican border will only affect the illegal immigration coming across the Mexican border. That's actually a very low percentage of illegal immigration, so it would barely put a dent in the costs you site, persuming they were all true in the first place.

Second, I don't think you appreciate how much a trillion dollars actual is.

The right-wing wackadoos at fairus.org peg the total cost of illegal immigration at $116 billion a year. Even if that number wasn't full of shit, that's simply not enough to justify spending even half a trillion dollar to get an Israel-border worth of protection.

And the a-half:

Let me quote you the god-damned Cato Institute about the relationship between welfare and illegal immigration:



Let me stress, Cato. Institute.


No, walls have been proven extremely ineffective as deterrents in and of themselves. Israel's border protection has proven the effectiveness of a start up cost of a trillion dollars to build a multi-tiered defense system including fences, human patrols, monitoring tech, and a standing army the participation in which is non-voluntary.



Half a trillion would get us halfway there, for the start up cost alone. Then you need to maintain the bloody thing, at a few billion a year at least.

NOTHING​

.

Where have walls been proven ineffective? Show me something other than your mouth.

Who says build a wall, and walk away? Oh yeah....just you and the lefties.

How do you figure a trillion to build wall where we need it? Some facts and numbers please. Something other than your mouth spitting out conjecture.

What are ilegals costing us now? Again, facts, figures, not BS.

 

[RoryN]

The real question: why are deplorables still discussing a wall that the entire world knows they'll never get?

 

[silver gurl]

Where have walls been proven ineffective? Show me something other than your mouth.

Who says build a wall, and walk away? Oh yeah....just you and the lefties.

How do you figure a trillion to build wall where we need it? Some facts and numbers please. Something other than your mouth spitting out conjecture.

What are ilegals costing us now? Again, facts, figures, not BS.

http://theconversation.com/border-w...tly-and-fatal-but-we-keep-building-them-80116

 

[von_Bismarck]

On this you are full of shit. 70% +/- of the citizens of the US want a wall of one sort or another. We're tired of the invasion by the uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy cockroaches.

If you hadn't used the weasel phrase "one sort or another," you'd be a lying son of a bitch. As it is, you're still fucking disingenuous. Par for the course, asshole.

 

[silver gurl]

If you hadn't used the weasel phrase "one sort or another," you'd be a lying son of a bitch. As it is, you're still fucking disingenuous. Par for the course, asshole.

“It” is probably one of the biggest raciest on Lit.

 

[Klinkster]

http://theconversation.com/border-w...tly-and-fatal-but-we-keep-building-them-80116

I don’t take much stock in ‘theconversation’.
And, as they stated, people aren’t dying because of the wall.....they are dying where there isn’t any wall. That means, we need more wall, no?

Good one here:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/

https://www.wnd.com/2018/12/israels-southern-wall-cut-illegal-immigration-to-zero/

Care to talk about Hungary’s wall? I can pull up articles on that, but I’m sure you don’t care.

 

[Oblimo]

Where have walls been proven ineffective? Show me something other than your mouth.

The Maginot Line
Great Wall of China
Berlin Wall
Hadrian's Wall
Wall of Constantinople
The Great Chain of the Golden Horn

Shall I keep going?

How do you figure a trillion to build wall where we need it? Some facts and numbers please. Something other than your mouth spitting out conjecture.

The Israel border defense system took half a trillion dollars to create. I'm not making that number up. Hm, Wikipedia says 450 billion. I've seen higher estimates.

You said that's the system you wanted on the Mexican border.

Israel's border defense is 440 miles long. Google told me that.

The US-Mexico border is 1,998 fucking miles long.

Most of that length is the fucking Rio Grande River. The rest that isn't currently fenced over is in uninhabitable desert.

What are ilegals costing us now? Again, facts, figures, not BS.

I quoted a number, from a rabid right-wing anti-immigration source, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and even gave you their main web address.

You need to be hand-held to the article itself? Fine: https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

Are you calling FAIR and the Cato Institute BS?

 

[Hal9000_]

The "WALL" will keep EVIL DRUGS out that KILL AMERICANS!


Oh, wait, Americans are being killed by pills made here.


Ah. I see. The "WALL" is to protect pharmaceutical profits.

Of course.