Forget the investigations: Trump ruined his political future this morning on live TV

[BotanyBoy]

Well, the Spanish Revolution didn't last long because the government -- the nominally Communist government -- put it down. The Republic was dependent on Stalin for military aid, and Stalin didn't like that kind of revolution one little bit.

That's because he knew it would result in a very un-communistic state with lots of wealth inequity and social hierarchies .

Unacceptable comrade... You can't have equity without authority to force it.

Why do you think the most left wing states have all been some of the most brutally totalitarian??

 

[Kirkrapine]

That's because he knew it would result in a very un-communistic state with lots of wealth inequity and social hierarchies .

You can't have equity without authority to force it.

It's because Stalin was committed to the Leninist-Stalinist model of socialism: The state owns and manages the productive property, and the Communist Party controls the state. The factory and farm collectives of the Spanish Revolution were independent of the state and of any political party. Had they survived, there is no reason to expect that what you describe would have happened.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's because Stalin was committed to the Leninist-Stalinist model of socialism:

Because it's the only practical and effective way to pursue the kind of equity the left wants in such a hierarchical species as humans.

Had they survived, there is no reason to expect that what you describe would have happened.

Other than it's happened in every other case of attempted anarchism.

Times get tough...people don't cooperate...no rule of law to stop jerks from doing jerk things and shit hits the fan. Without a government authority to keep order? It all falls apart...guaranteed.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Times get tough...people don't cooperate...no rule of law to stop jerks from doing jerk things and shit hits the fan. Without a government authority to keep order? It all falls apart...guaranteed.

In their case, they had the collectives to keep order.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In their case, they had the collectives to keep order.

They all do.

And they fail horribly when things get tough, the "collective" is a shitty enforcement tool....a government authority that hires people with guns works better.

Even the most hippiest of hippie communes here in CA where modern society was just outside the doorstep? 100% fail...some in horrible tragedy ranging from murder to kids starving to death. Others were smart enough to see the fail on the wall, call it a day and got a fuckin' job before it all went south.

Some sort of ruling authority works considerably better, that's why all the most successful societies/cultures/nations going all the way back to ancient times had some form of it. Fuck even tribal cultures have chiefs and ruling councils.....defy them and your ass was dog food pal.

 

[zipman]

The bottom line is that Trump tried to turn a private meeting into a publicity stunt and it totally backfired on him because Schumer and Pelosi outmaneuvered him.

Hell, Pelosi even tried to help him by saying they should discuss this in private, as the meeting was supposed to be held.

Trump's supporters will believe anything he says but this will hurt his support (and Republicans support by extension) from independents.

 

[FakeNews]

The bottom line is that Trump tried to turn a private meeting into a publicity stunt and it totally backfired on him because Schumer and Pelosi outmaneuvered him.

Hell, Pelosi even tried to help him by saying they should discuss this in private, as the meeting was supposed to be held.

Trump's supporters will believe anything he says but this will hurt his support (and Republicans support by extension) from independents.

Trump tricks Chuck & Nancy into owning border crisis during Oval Office meeting
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1491404

 

[adrina]

Breitbart. That's worth a few guffaws. Echo chambers aren't really reflective of the populace.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Breitbart. That's worth a few guffaws. Echo chambers aren't really reflective of the populace.

When one's thread fail from yesterday doesn't pan out...

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[adrina]

Pretty much.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I never dismissed it out of hand...that's the lie...that's YOUR delusion.

I might argue against it but I didn't dismiss it.

Talking about Britannica….

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Also it's not the definition of anarchism, it's some dipshits theory about how anarchism is really all about left wing government and not actually anti-government.

Who is just reporting it, not actually coming up with it or pushing it.

Uh hua...and I agree, I also argue that it's wrong because real world results > theory.

No....I insist that it results in natural hierarchies forming, so in practice it's right wing.

In theory, idiots galore think it's left wing. I never denied that.

So do we go off of the theory or the observable results?

Being a scientist I like observable results.....anarchism always goes right in the end, every time.

So, you finally agree that Anarchism is a radical left ideology, right??

I have no explanation why you think an ideology, philosophy must actually work in practice for it to be classified to the people actually having the though/ideas in the first place? I can only suggest you look up what an ideology is.

And it does work, and you have been given numerous examples by Britannica, me and Daily……it just doesn’t work long term and isn’t scalable, but, then most ideologies don't!

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

So, you finally agree that Anarchism is a radical left ideology, right??

I've ALWAYS agreed that it's a left wing theory.....

But in practice it is right wing.

I have no explanation why you think an ideology, philosophy must actually work in practice for it to be classified to the people actually having the though/ideas in the first place?

Because I don't think the ideology changes what it actually is.

If ideology or theory says 2+2=8 that doesn't make it so after reality again and again that 2+2 actually = 4, not 8.

Then the left wing philosophers and theorist who thought the communist utopia would be the result of a power vacuum were WRONG.

Proudhon was flat Earth level at the center of the universe level wrong....demonstrably so.

Anarchism doesn't result in the communist utopia...it results in primitive hierarchies forming, that's why I say it's right wing in practice.

Same reason liberalism is considered right wing......it's accepting of natural hierarchies and inequity and in even it's most 'social' forms is very civil/public service oriented not really pursuing wealth redistribution or the amelioration of socioeconomic inequities.

And it does work

Really? I wasn't aware of any communist utopias free from government authority.

Where is this utopian society? Every one I ever read about has promptly gone down in flames.

, and you have been given numerous examples by Britannica, me and Daily……

And every one of them was a FAILURE.

Because it doesn't work.

it just doesn’t work long term and isn’t scalable, but, then most ideologies don't!

Woof!

If it doesn't work long term and isn't scaleable then .....it doesn't work. Certainly not as compared to modern nation states with their various functioning political machines.

 

[oO00Oo]

2019 is going to be a BAD year for donnie boy and that's sure to trigger his supporters.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I've ALWAYS agreed that it's a left wing theory.....

But in practice it is right wing.

Anarchism is part of the Marxist tradition. In a nutshell, Anarchists oppose the state because they see it as a guardian of private property (which it is), and Libertarians oppose the state because they see it as a threat to private property (which it is).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Anarchism is part of the Marxist tradition.

The FAILED part.

The authoritarian model is the only one with any modicum of success.

In a nutshell, Anarchists oppose the state because they see it as a guardian of private property (which it is), and

Yes.

Libertarians oppose the state because they see it as a threat to private property (which it is).

In all but a couple of very old, cases some who called themselves "libertarians" were kinda anarchistic, but only really economically and that's simply not the case in modern political nomenclature.

Libertarians don't oppose the state, they oppose an overreaching state, they are liberals, not anarchist.....at least not for well over 100 years now.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Wrong...Libertarians don't oppose the state, they are liberals not anarchist.

They nevertheless oppose the state, in the sense that they want it pared down until it is barely noticeable and practically all its functions are privatized -- including law enforcement, in some versions.

 

[bestone4ever]

2019 is going to be a BAD year for donnie boy and that's sure to trigger his supporters.

BotanyBottomBitch is going to have an especially retarded 2019. Even more so than 2018.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They nevertheless oppose the state, in the sense that they want it pared down until it is barely noticeable and practically all its functions are privatized -- including law enforcement, in some versions.

No they don't.

Minimal government =/= no government.

I know you're like Borg level totalitarian control freak....but not everything liberal enough to so much as consider independent thoughts = anarchism.

There is a spectrum....libertarianism as liberal as it is? As much as it grinds your authoritarian gears???

Still more authoritarian than anarchism.

 

[TalkRadio1]

I'm professional as fuck and use both. You, being unemployed, are used to your case worker calling you a "client".

I give porn to the OXNARD REPUBLICAN WOMEN FEDERATED.

When the fine people from the Republican Women group came into my shop today to have me run their newsletter, the asked if I could add an elephant to the front of it. I said sure. After reading that they gave mad props to George W. Bush for implementing the policies that led to bin Laden's death and not a word about Obama, I added the elephant.

An African elephant.

^^^ Luk showing his professional side.

 

[TalkRadio1]

I'm professional as fuck and use both. You, being unemployed, are used to your case worker calling you a "client".

Dumbass, I don't know what happened to the flier. If I would have edited the post, you would be able to read the edit. Plus it was there for days before disappearing.

I own the company, not unlike how I own your sorry ass on here.

Cool, I don't own the business so I wont be paying the insurance on the building or payroll taxes this month.

And where did I say I "hate" anyone? I just posted the conversation I had. If you saw any vitriol in my post, you're even more stupid than we all thought.

Enjoy your day of sleuthing my life, semen, seriously.

^^^ Luk showing his professional side.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Luk lies abut bidnizz.....also makes up lies about me and others.


Luk has a problem.

 

[Luk]

^^^ Luk showing his professional side.

I owned a business when I said I owned it and now I don't. Quit trying to troll, miles, you're as bad at trolling as you are husbanding.

 

[KeithD]

2019 is going to be a BAD year for donnie boy and that's sure to trigger his supporters.

It already has triggered them here.

 

[Dribble]

I owned a business when I said I owned it and now I don't. Quit trying to troll, miles, you're as bad at trolling as you are husbanding.

He gets paid by the Russians to troll.

 

[Luk]

He gets paid by the Russians to troll.

Nah, the Russians are better at trolling than this dipshit.