My take on the Saudi Arabia issue.

[KeithD]

He was NOT a US citizen no matter how badly you want to somehow spin it.

I also said I don't condone murder.

Yes you do. You are doing it right now. He was a human being and one who was tortured, murdered, and dismembered for daring to write on the human rights violations of the regime that tortured, murdered, and dismembered him. And you are deflecting for that. You are a poor excuse for a human being.

And just stop that Trumpian crap about not being a U.S. citizen. He was a legal permanent resident of the United States, which is a legal status of connection to the United States that gave him rights of protection by the United States--which Trump is trying to deny him because the Saudis line Trump's pocket. That is despicable, non-American action that you are participating in by trying to water down what has happened.

 

[Kirkrapine]

They tortured that guy for revenge and to send a message. Very uncivilized.

Let's give them a state dinner.

And make them eat Kashoggi's remains, at gunpoint.

 

[HisArpy]

Yes you do. You are doing it right now. He was a human being and one who was tortured, murdered, and dismembered for daring to write on the human rights violations of the regime that tortured, murdered, and dismembered him. And you are deflecting for that. You are a poor excuse for a human being.

And just stop that Trumpian crap about not being a U.S. citizen. He was a legal permanent resident of the United States, which is a legal status of connection to the United States that gave him rights of protection by the United States--which Trump is trying to deny him because the Saudis line Trump's pocket. That is despicable, non-American action that you are participating in by trying to water down what has happened.

Are you off your meds? Seriously, are you?

Because what you wrote right there is absolute NONSENSE.

You're trying to make something out of nothing. You're trying to build an entire case out of a phantom fact that he's somehow a US citizen when in fact he ISN'T and never has been.

IF IF IF it happened then is was murder. Did I not say I don't condone murder? Did I qualify that by saying "unless it's done to someone who's not a US citizen?"

No, I did not.

You tried to ascribe to me a motive to doing something I'm not as if that somehow makes what I'm doing into something you think I'm doing. (Wait, does that even make sense? Of course not, that's why I'm pointing out to you that your entire rant is nonsense) It DOESN'T MATTER if he was a journalist or a homeless person or a refugee from the war in Syria, murder is murder is murder and I do not condone it.

Being a "legal permanent resident " is NOT "US citizen". It might give rights and protections but it is NOT synonymous. All the wishing in the world won't make it so.

So, are you? Off your meds I mean. Because that's the only explanation I can think of for your delusions being so out of control.

 

[BBX50]

Countries are ALLOWED to KILL those that do it harm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BBX50]

Countries are ALLOWED to KILL those that do it harm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its called


'Collateral Damage'


https://www.google.com/search?q=pel....69i57j33l2.8461j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[HisArpy]

Countries are ALLOWED to KILL those that do it harm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not inside a diplomatic compound.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Hey, back in 1983 when Ferdinand Marcos' foremost political opponent Ninoy Acquino was assassinated the day he came back from the USA, did you stand tall for Marcos since it was never proven that the Phillipine govt. had anything to do with the shooting?

Must've been "criminal terrorists within that country" back then too, right? Right?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Forget Marcos. As a matter of fact, I did have major concerns about the legality of the apprehension of Noriega and HIS criminal prosecution regardless of whether or not I registered them here. I finally got around to reading the legal rationale for it and the criminal jurisdiction the U. S. claimed. I don't recall what they were and don't have time to look it up again.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

That would be an act of war, wouldn't it? Since the government was necessarily complicit?

I suppose it could be. I doubt a government is going to look kindly on an assassination attempt on its leader if the plot was hatched by a foreign government even if the assassin has diplomatic immunity. Sure. Could start a war. Just wouldn't be grounds for a criminal prosecution.

 

[BBX50]

Not inside a diplomatic compound.

did you read the LINK?


and what difference does it make where? Outside is better or worse?

WHY SHOULD WE CARE????????????????

 

[HisArpy]

did you read the LINK?

Yes. And others too.

and what difference does it make where? Outside is better or worse?

Because diplomatic compounds on foreign soil are places of diplomacy between governments. They are not places of execution in lieu of trial or adjudication.

WHY SHOULD WE CARE????????????????

*sigh*

Haven't you been reading anything in this thread and the other one?

 

[BBX50]

Haven't you been reading anything in this thread and the other one?

I have

and

My thread as well

and still see NO REASON why this is an ISSUE FOR THE US!

 

[BBX50]

Yes. And others too.




Because diplomatic compounds on foreign soil are places of diplomacy between governments. They are not places of execution in lieu of trial or adjudication.

then why was Turkey SPYING on em INSIDE

 

[BBX50]

“They’re murderous bastards — sadists, tyrants — but the alliance is key to our interests.”

This view was expressed straightforwardly by Pat Robertson on his television show. “These people are key allies,” he said. “We’ve got an arms deal that everybody wanted a piece of. It’ll be a lot of jobs, a lot of money come to our coffers. It’s not something you want to blow up willy-nilly.”

With equal bluntness, he said, “You don’t blow up an international alliance over one person — I mean, I’m sorry.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-meaningful-20-seconds/


Agreed

 

[BBX50]

Whats worse

A totalitarian regime that has no human rights for some of its citizens KILLING an enemy of teh State


Or

DUMZ THAT ADVOCATE AND APPLAUD VIOLENCE IN TEH US?

 

[beew]

Saudi Arabia, along with Israel, are our 'proxies' in the lukewarm war with Iran.

While many argue that the difference between the two is almost indistinguishable the fact is that the Saudi's are the lesser evil. We have enjoyed a long business relationship with the Saudi's having lived up to our contractual commitments and are respected for that.

And the Saudi leadership aren't the fire breathing ultra-Islamist's that the Mullahs are.

The lesser of two evils, like you said. But it's still murky. Adding to yours:

Currently, Iran is a totalitarian Islamic state.
Still. Iran tolerates other religions even atheism within it's midst, Saudi Arabia decapitates any citizen who doesn't adhere to Islam.

Saudi Arabia sponsored radical Islamic teachings in UK mosques, Iran sponsors radicals regionally.

 

[Saint_Anne]

I see the Paki rationalizes what the Saudis did.

3rd world dumbass!

 

[beew]

I see the Paki rationalizes what the Saudis did.

3rd world dumbass!

You got me wrong, RobDownSouth.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

If he was a Green Card Holder he was eligible to be in the US Military. There are approx. 6000 permenent residents in the US military now.

So perm residents can kill and be killed in the name of the US but they shouldnt be protected like anyone else. Right.

The "he's not a Citizen" is nothing but the Trump virus spreading its sickness and you have it.

Are you off your meds? Seriously, are you?

Because what you wrote right there is absolute NONSENSE.

You're trying to make something out of nothing. You're trying to build an entire case out of a phantom fact that he's somehow a US citizen when in fact he ISN'T and never has been.

IF IF IF it happened then is was murder. Did I not say I don't condone murder? Did I qualify that by saying "unless it's done to someone who's not a US citizen?"

No, I did not.

You tried to ascribe to me a motive to doing something I'm not as if that somehow makes what I'm doing into something you think I'm doing. (Wait, does that even make sense? Of course not, that's why I'm pointing out to you that your entire rant is nonsense) It DOESN'T MATTER if he was a journalist or a homeless person or a refugee from the war in Syria, murder is murder is murder and I do not condone it.

Being a "legal permanent resident " is NOT "US citizen". It might give rights and protections but it is NOT synonymous. All the wishing in the world won't make it so.

So, are you? Off your meds I mean. Because that's the only explanation I can think of for your delusions being so out of control.

 

[Saint_Anne]

Sorry bout that que.

 

[BBX50]

Turkish newspaper throws wrench in media narrative, claims gov’t unwilling to share ‘evidence’ of Khashoggi murder

 

[BBX50]

the FAT FUCK eloped with his NEW CUNT and the whole world goes crazy

 

[bellisarius]

The lesser of two evils, like you said. But it's still murky. Adding to yours:

Currently, Iran is a totalitarian Islamic state.
Still. Iran tolerates other religions even atheism within it's midst, Saudi Arabia decapitates any citizen who doesn't adhere to Islam.

Saudi Arabia sponsored radical Islamic teachings in UK mosques, Iran sponsors radicals regionally.

Go back to my OP. Saudi Arabia is actually a partnership between the Saud's and the Wahab's. The Saud's provide the Wahab's money to keep the natives in line. The Wahab's are the group doing the financing you speak of and the Wahabi religious police, quite separate from the regular police, are the ones doing the beheading. Further, the Iranians are only tolerant of other religions if they keep their mouths shut. If you speak up concerning government policy you'll find yourself 'disappeared' figuratively if not literally.

The new crown prince of Saudi Arabia is trying to drag the kingdom out of the 7th century and neither the Wahab's nor the Muslim Brotherhood want anything to do with that. Khashoggi, as a member of, or at least sympathetic ties to, the Muslim Brotherhood represented a threat to the modernization program.

And as a side note, as the kingdom severs it's ties to the brotherhood Turkey is strengthening it's ties to same. The Ottoman's are trying to rise from the grave and are systematically destroying the secular state that Ataturk created after the first world war.

 

[doowdniw]

If you really want to find out about what happened in the hen house, send in the fox to investigate.

 

[FGB]

I am curious about the real story on this crap.

they went to some trouble to get people there to do all that stuff and if one of the princes were there...

What was the reason? Did he know something? Do something? See something.

Why not ghost him? Never to be found again. In that country hardly a new thing.

So WTF is THAT all about.

 

[Rightguide]

Not to defend the Saudi's but all the leaks on this case are coming from the pro-Iranian Turks who have an interest in breaking up alliance against Iran.