My take on the Saudi Arabia issue.

[Kirkrapine]

It's not okay to murder journalists. Except when an agent of a foreign government protected by diplomatic immunity (See Article 31 of the Vienna Convention of 1961) does it.

That would be an act of war, wouldn't it? Since the government was necessarily complicit?

 

[Rightguide]

Pay attention.

I'm not pointing the finger at the U.S. I'm pointing a finger at the Amerikan right-wing for providing cover to the Saudi "royal" family for the last two weeks while the evidence trail goes cold.

There is a difference between America and Amerika.

We can always count on you to be 100% full of crap.

 

[doowdniw]

Brutality appropriately applied tends to encourage caution.

I'll go out on a limb and say that may well have been one of the intended consequences.

 

[Wrong Element]

So much time and effort spent trying to convince us all that there's some kind of genius political long game going on that would justify the President of the United States involving himself in a murder coverup.

This is all about Trump trying to protect his personal business interests with the Saudis, and that's all it ever is with him. Grow the fuck up.

 

[Kirkrapine]

So much time and effort spent trying to convince us all that there's some kind of genius political long game going on that would justify the President of the United States involving himself in a murder coverup.

This is all about Trump trying to protect his personal business interests with the Saudis, and that's all it ever is with him. Grow the fuck up.

Well, the way he tells it he's trying to protect the business interests of American arms dealers, and he ain't one.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Yeah, don't anybody ask me what really happened, since I am only the guy who 'sold' the fairy-tale about salacious Russian stuff to the idiot Christopher Steele and his lunatic 'manager' Dr Peter Duncan of that quiet little office out back of the IVF Department at King's College...

...you know, the one that Saudi 'dissident' and expert in anatomy, Saad al-Fagih works in, along with his buddy, Mohammad al-Massari.

Especially since apparently, you all seem to know what happened already, even before the Secretary of State has even listened to this infamous 'audio recording.'

By the way, lucky it was only his fingers they were cutting off - now the variation is - because had it have been his hands, perhaps that Apple watch would not have recorded anything, or, if it was his head, it would have been a statistically-rare 0.00017 of a percent event to have the head screaming while still 'alive' while the whole being was dismembered while still 'alive.'

Oh, very gruesome stuff. Bad bad HOUSE OF SAUD; good good Brotherhood of Muslims.

Yeah. Really.

Where would we all be without CNN, who tells us what to believe...

At least we don't have to give a fuck about those people who were seen on television leaping to their deaths from the World Trade Center towers - which the 'journalist' Jimmy Khashoggi can be widely viewed still on archived videos attributing to Al Qaeda, whom he praises lavishly.

Oh yeah, let's go to war on this, and kick out Salman, and stick in um, whoever Publicis, the UK/Swiss marketing geniuses wants to have installed following their sick but brilliant, 'Jamal Khashoggi' scam. I mean they've got most of you by the dick.

 

[Saint_Anne]

What is this "American administrative state"? All states are administrative.

Rapeguide likes fox talking points.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Where would we all be without CNN, who tells us what to believe...

Far, far worse off than we would be without Fox.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Facism, thy name is Hogan

It's not okay to murder journalists. Except when an agent of a foreign government protected by diplomatic immunity (See Article 31 of the Vienna Convention of 1961) does it. That pretty much makes it a non-starter from a criminal jurisdiction standpoint and considerably less than our business from a national interest perspective.

And no one with half a brain would judge the commitment of an entire government to its foreign alliance based on the individual actions of criminal terrorists within that country.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Hey, back in 1983 when Ferdinand Marcos' foremost political opponent Ninoy Acquino was assassinated the day he came back from the USA, did you stand tall for Marcos since it was never proven that the Phillipine govt. had anything to do with the shooting?

Must've been "criminal terrorists within that country" back then too, right? Right?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Rightguide]

Hey, back in 1983 when Ferdinand Marcos' foremost political opponent Ninoy Acquino was assassinated the day he came back from the USA, did you stand tall for Marcos since it was never proven that the Phillipine govt. had anything to do with the shooting?

Must've been "criminal terrorists within that country" back then too, right? Right?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

So what do you propose the US do as adequate punishment?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

One can only presume senility or drugs.

You make no sense. Is English your first language?

Yeah, don't anybody ask me what really happened, since I am only the guy who 'sold' the fairy-tale about salacious Russian stuff to the idiot Christopher Steele and his lunatic 'manager' Dr Peter Duncan of that quiet little office out back of the IVF Department at King's College...

...you know, the one that Saudi 'dissident' and expert in anatomy, Saad al-Fagih works in, along with his buddy, Mohammad al-Massari.

Especially since apparently, you all seem to know what happened already, even before the Secretary of State has even listened to this infamous 'audio recording.'

By the way, lucky it was only his fingers they were cutting off - now the variation is - because had it have been his hands, perhaps that Apple watch would not have recorded anything, or, if it was his head, it would have been a statistically-rare 0.00017 of a percent event to have the head screaming while still 'alive' while the whole being was dismembered while still 'alive.'

Oh, very gruesome stuff. Bad bad HOUSE OF SAUD; good good Brotherhood of Muslims.

Yeah. Really.

Where would we all be without CNN, who tells us what to believe...

At least we don't have to give a fuck about those people who were seen on television leaping to their deaths from the World Trade Center towers - which the 'journalist' Jimmy Khashoggi can be widely viewed still on archived videos attributing to Al Qaeda, whom he praises lavishly.

Oh yeah, let's go to war on this, and kick out Salman, and stick in um, whoever Publicis, the UK/Swiss marketing geniuses wants to have installed following their sick but brilliant, 'Jamal Khashoggi' scam. I mean they've got most of you by the dick.

 

[BBX50]

Saudi Arabia executed one of it's own citizens. So what? They do that all the time. Almost as much as the United States does.

It's none of our business.

I agree with Shower Boi

 

[Kirkrapine]

So what do you propose the US do as adequate punishment?

I might say "regime change" were it not for the obvious fact that that never ends well, and that the House of Saud's only internal opposition to speak of are ultra-Wahhabists. But, really, if we were ever going to consider any regime changes in the MENA, SA always should have been first on the list, far ahead of Iraq or Iran.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Oh, very gruesome stuff. Bad bad HOUSE OF SAUD; good good Brotherhood of Muslims.

Bad bad House of Saud indeed. As for the MB, judging by its track record so far, even in Egypt, it appears to bear a somewhat closer resemblance to Christian Democrats than to al-Qaeda.

 

[KeithD]

I don't condone the murder of anyone. BUT, that said, he wasn't an American citizen.

He was a legal permanent resident of the United States, he was an international journalist, and he was a human being who was tortured, murdered, and cut into pieces for speaking his informed (he was a highly placed Saudi) opinion about a repressive regime that proved his points by torturing, murdering, and cutting him up into pieces while he was a legal permanent resident of the United States. That they thought they could get away with it was because of their apparently correct assessment of the vile, uncaring, self-obsessed nature of the U.S. "president" and such as you.

Trump has done a great job in making you into his vile subhuman image.

 

[BBX50]

He was a legal permanent resident of the United States, he was an international journalist, and he was a human being who was tortured, murdered, and cut into pieces for speaking his informed (he was a highly placed Saudi) opinion about a repressive regime that proved his points by torturing, murdering, and cutting him up into pieces while he was a legal permanent resident of the United States. That they thought they could get away with it was because of their apparently correct assessment of the vile, uncaring, self-obsessed nature of the U.S. "president" and such as you.

Trump has done a great job in making you into his vile subhuman image.

Gosnell!

 

[KeithD]

#1. He's NOT an "American". He was here on a visa.

Why do you people insist on getting this wrong? He wasn't here merely on a visa, he had permanent resident status, which is a step to citizenship and is a whole more closer to full citizenship and any visa status.

 

[KeithD]

The nominal "journalist" was a Muslim Brotherhood propagandist

You are lying.

A. There was nothing "nominal" about Khashoggi's journalism. He graduated in journalism from Indiana University and he was an active journalist for more than thirty years, including as general manager and editor-in-chief of Al-Arab News Channel and as editor for the Saudi Arabian newspaper Al Watan.

B. Substantiate the claim that he was a Muslim Brotherhood propagandist. What he was was a human rights advocate in the Middle East. I can see why that would bother someone like you.


You are an insidious liar.

 

[KeithD]

So much time and effort spent trying to convince us all that there's some kind of genius political long game going on that would justify the President of the United States involving himself in a murder coverup.

This is all about Trump trying to protect his personal business interests with the Saudis, and that's all it ever is with him. Grow the fuck up.

The question on Trump's role in this goes beyond murder coverup. It involves murder conspiracy. Trump has set the tone for the Saudis and others to believe they can do shit like this. So, it's an issue of complicity before the act. And investigation might show more involvement, by omission, than that. When/what did U.S. intelligence know about any planned action against a U.S. permanent resident at all? If they received information on such plans, who were they obligated to tell and did they? If that included the White House, where did it go and what was done with it?

 

[HisArpy]

He was a legal permanent resident of the United States, he was an international journalist, and he was a human being who was tortured, murdered, and cut into pieces for speaking his informed (he was a highly placed Saudi) opinion about a repressive regime that proved his points by torturing, murdering, and cutting him up into pieces while he was a legal permanent resident of the United States. That they thought they could get away with it was because of their apparently correct assessment of the vile, uncaring, self-obsessed nature of the U.S. "president" and such as you.

Trump has done a great job in making you into his vile subhuman image.

He was NOT a US citizen no matter how badly you want to somehow spin it.

I also said I don't condone murder.

And here's the part neither you nor anyone else seems to get. IF in fact it happened and was done by a "rogue" killer, the Saudi's are STILL responsible. Why? Because it was done inside their embassy where there are security people and none of them responded. It was done in a room provided by the embassy. The cleanup was carried out by embassy personnel. And the coverup was made possible by top diplomatic staff and personnel.

At the very least, the entire staff and all diplomats should be recalled and investigated.

If I were Turkey I'd expel them all. Every last one of them down to the service staff because they are all complicit in some manner.

And if that makes me a vile subhuman because I say he wasn't a US citizen, then so be it.

 

[Sean]

Yeah, who cares, it's not like he was white.

 

[von_Bismarck]

So much time and effort spent trying to convince us all that there's some kind of genius political long game going on that would justify the President of the United States involving himself in a murder coverup.

This is all about Trump trying to protect his personal business interests with the Saudis, and that's all it ever is with him. Grow the fuck up.

Well, that, and an admiration for brutal authoritarianism.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

They tortured that guy for revenge and to send a message. Very uncivilized.

Let's give them a state dinner.

 

[IG_88]

Saudi Arabia executed one of it's own citizens. So what? They do that all the time. Almost as much as the United States does.

It's none of our business.

This.

 

[BBX50]

sorta kinda pathetic

you all all AGHAST at this fat fuck MISSING


never once do you condemn the MURDER of JEWS by HAMAS etc nor the KILLINGS by ISIS



I wonder why