Elizabeth Warren proves her ancestry; embarrasses shit out of Trump & Trumpsters

[Wrong Element]

The identity-by-DNA issue fascinates me, basically because so many seem to really want to depend on it to tell them what race/ethnicity they really are, even though it's still such an immaturely inconclusive science. Here's an article from The New York Times from 2014:

"On average, the scientists found, people who identified as African-American had genes that were only 73.2 percent African. European genes accounted for 24 percent of their DNA, while .8 percent came from Native Americans.

Latinos, on the other hand, had genes that were on average 65.1 percent European, 18 percent Native American, and 6.2 percent African. The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American."


You posted that like it's some big old "gotcha!" when there's literally nothing in that quote that should surprise anyone. That most African-Americans who aren't immigrants have some European ancestry was obvious even before anyone knew DNA had a genetic component. It's obvious from knowing third-grade level American history. And most Latinos (already a genetically meaningless term) don't look "Spanish," or like the native people of Central and South America; they look like something in between.

I think we're losing sight of the important point here, which is that Donald Trump is a terrible person and has yet again been shown to be a complete boob.

 

[OldJourno]

And I thought I was confused.

 

[SpeareChucker]

lol...

 

[bigsly]

You posted that like it's some big old "gotcha!"

No, that's simply how you read it and then subjectively replied "like it's some big old 'gotcha!'" Why are you projecting? Do you suffer from cracker quilt like Warren? Are you a white American socialist, too?

 

[Comshaw]

Trump says he'll pay Warren a million if she can show she's an Indian. Today Warren is asking for that million to be paid. Any objective arbitrator would simply rule if Warren has actually shown that she's an Indian, or not, for that million to actually be paid. That's all.

But bless your heart for your vain stab at condescending, yet worthless "Equivocation fallacy" mansplaining, anyway.

Actually any logical, intelligent arbiter would take into account the claims made by Warren, the challenge by Trump and what exactly was said on both sides. Anyone with half a brain and one good eye can see that the Donald did his usual using the worthless "Equivocation fallacy" to position himself (not intentionally btw) for a feint and dodge like any good carnival barker would.

For me and anyone with at least a bit of honesty in their soul would use the test of reversing the positions. I can tell from your post, if they were you'd be screaming to high heaven that Warren was trying to pull a fast one.

I know for a fact none of this will make any difference in the way to think or believe, so you go right on trying to make it look like the Donald isn't the snake oil salesman he is. Less and less people are want to believe that though.




Comshaw

 

[CandiCame]

I'd point out here that we now know more about Elizabeth Warren's great-great-great-great grandparents than we do about Donald Trump's federal taxes.

I laughed

At his next rally, Trump will "imitate" Warren saying "I have an Indian [he'll use 'Indian'] ancestor 8 generations back, or maybe 10, or maybe a 100." Then he will look left and right. "I bet everybody here has an Indian ancestor 100 generators [he'll say 'generators'] back, right everybody? Do you have an Indian ancestor?"

CROWD: "Yes!" (even the white supremacists attending, bless their hearts.)

Trump: "Do you use it to get special treatment from schools, the government, anybody?"

CROWD: "NOOOOO! LOCK HER UP!"

And he'll move on. Maybe he'll stop calling her "Pocahontas" and just start calling her "Po" because of how little "red blood" runs in her veins.

Why is "Pocahontas" the go-to insult from white folks? This has always confused me. But it's weird. When they want to insult you, you're an Injun. When they want to pretend they aren't racist, they have a Cherokee grandma, but no idea what a clan, the boundary, or the eastern and western split are. You just... you just get headaches from those folks.

Here's something weird about this that bothers me. I've had my DNA tested before- about 4 years ago I had a kid, and in order to do some legal shit I had to prove it was mine, because me and my baby mama were... let's just go with not monogamous. She was mine, btw. If they'd have given it a year they'd have been able to tell by looking at her.

I decided to pay the $200 or whatever it was through a company called 23andme. I don't remember how much it was, but I remember it was PROHIBITIVELY expensive, and was, in fact, a gift from an aunt who had recently had hers done and was trying to trace our family tree.

I'm half native- I've got the CIB and everything. There's no question, we know it for a fact. When I got those results back, it listed it as "Native America/Eastern Asia" or something like that, and said it couldn't break it down further because of "insufficient data".

So, here's my question: I'm looking at over half of mine and getting "insufficient data". I'm not trying to call anybody out, but has the technology REALLY improved enough in 4 years that they can go from "probably native, maybe Asian, idk dude your hair is real black but you're pretty pale and you don't have a monolid. Thanks for the $200." to "You are Native American."?

Because I don't have the money to get another one, and I know technology DOES more pretty fast- but I just don't think these things are super accurate. Native Americans aren't a monolith, and it kinda pisses me off that it can tell me where my European ancestors got off the fucking boat- but it can't tell me which tribe my American ancestors came from when I already know. I feel like their database is too small or something. Idk how that research works but it's a lot of money for not a lot of information.

Edit: Also, you can't really use it to get "special treatment" anymore- bitch disbanded the BIA and DIDN'T TELL ANYONE. Not like people were fucking using it. Send a letter out half a month after people's shit stops going through. Not a great way to do that.

 

[Sean]

Meanwhile:

https://splinternews.com/top-house-republicans-family-reportedly-benefitted-from-1829750894

 

[bigsly]

I know for a fact none of this will make any difference in the way to think or believe, so you go right on trying to....[/SIZE]



Comshaw

Even more worthless, condescending mansplaining and then posing to give me permission, to "go right on trying to...." You're hilarious. How many women have you assaulted throughout your male chauvinist life?

 

[bigsly]

Hillary Clinton Releases DNA Test Results Proving She's Only Half Lizard Person
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1051881821552570370

 

[FakeNews]

Meanwhile:

https://splinternews.com/top-house-republicans-family-reportedly-benefitted-from-1829750894

Meanwhile:

The Times investigation has found no evidence that McCarthy did anything to steer contracts to the company. Both Wages and McCarthy said they have never discussed Vortex’s work with each other.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.html

 

[thør]

When is she signing up at the Indian Health Service?

 

[KeithD]

Why is "Pocahontas" the go-to insult from white folks?

It's not. Who besides Trump has ever used the insult? Citation?

 

[CandiCame]

When is she signing up at the Indian Health Service?

You have to have a specific tribal affiliation to sign up for IHS- and again, I want to know if HER test provided that.

 

[CandiCame]

It's not. Who besides Trump has ever used the insult? Citation?

It was at my middle/high school.

Edit: Dude, I didn't even know Trump had said that. I wasn't being political. This is just a thing that happens. It's a cultural insult- I got "Poke-a-hot-ass" a lot in college. People just DO that. I genuinely don't know why. I think because it's the only Native person they know off hand.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Why is "Pocahontas" the go-to insult from white folks? This has always confused me.

Because it's one of the few Indian names everybody knows, and the only female name.

FTR, BTW, what John Smith thought was his execution was actually an adoption ceremony traditional among the nations of the region: They would prepare to execute a prisoner, a woman would come forward and plead for his life, and he would therefore be adopted into the tribe. You can read about that in American Colonies: The Settling of North America, by Alan Taylor. You will also find some fascinating stuff about the pirates of the Caribbean -- in those days the lines between pirates, privateers and the Royal Navy were rather blurry, and piracy also had a social-revolutionary aspect -- when pirates took a ship they would put the captain on trial, and hang him if the crew testified he was a cruel master, as many were. Piracy was a sailor's only way out of the authoritarian, class-ridden and over-regulated structure of legitimate society. Arrrgh, me hearties, workers of the sea unite!

 

[thør]

You have to have a specific tribal affiliation to sign up for IHS- and again, I want to know if HER test provided that.

A couple years ago, my DNA test said I was <1% Native American and the rest, EuroTrash. Now, upon further examination, I'm all EuroTrash. I was fine with it either way.

My wife has some Native American beadwork that's fairly old. She was told that it was an ancestor's beadwork. Her DNA test tells her that her mom lied to her (about that, and so many other things).

 

[CandiCame]

A couple years ago, my DNA test said I was <1% Native American and the rest, EuroTrash. Now, upon further examination, I'm all EuroTrash. I was fine with it either way.

My wife has some Native American beadwork that's fairly old. She was told that it was an ancestor's beadwork. Her DNA test tells her that her mom lied to her (about that, and so many other things).

Again, mine said I MIGHT be East Asian. I'm pretty sure I'm not. I mean... I don't even know how that would happen. Maybe somebody working on the railroad got mixed in or something- but if that were true, if I were, say, Japanese or Chinese (I think those places are in East Asia) in the numbers it was giving me for "maybe Asian"- somebody, somewhere, in my family would have been like, "Oh, by the way, we're Asian." I don't think anyone in my family has a reason to lie about not being Asian.

I see issues with this because like... I think I technically could run around with these test results going, "Well this explains my love for anime and video games! I'm ASIAN!"

When I am totally not. I'm just NOT.

I don't think that they're super accurate.

 

[beew]

Even if she Did take advantage.
So what?


She might have genuinely thought that she had more % of Native heritage.
It’s not the first time that people believed one thing about themselves, and were surprised by the DNA results. Like thor said.
And I doubt that they were taking people at face value, she must have produced some sort of evidence.

And honestly. Most people would have done the same, if they found themselves in such a fortunate position.

The main thing that matters is that she appeared to have shown integrity throughout her career.


Democrats were so fuckin’ stupid for pushing Hillary in front. That’s one of the reason that they lost.
But I guess one of the criteria for candidacy in any presidential election is “Who is more likely to look after our interests and after the sponsors’ purses?”

 

[SpeareChucker]

You have to have a specific tribal affiliation to sign up for IHS- and again, I want to know if HER test provided that.

She claims "Cherokee" but if you are not on the rolls, you aren't...



Besides, there were no Cherokee anywhere near where her family has resided.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Even if she Did take advantage.
So what?


She might have genuinely thought that she had more % of Native heritage.
It’s not the first time that people believed one thing about themselves, and were surprised by the DNA results. Like thor said.
And I doubt that they were taking people at face value, she must have produced some sort of evidence.

And honestly. Most people would have done the same, if they found themselves in such a fortunate position.

The main thing that matters is that she appeared to have shown integrity throughout her career.


Democrats were so fuckin’ stupid for pushing Hillary in front. That’s one of the reason that they lost.
But I guess one of the criteria for candidacy in any presidential election is “Who is more likely to look after our interests and after the sponsors’ purses?”

OMG

This is the Rachael Dozier defense: so what if I'm white, I really, really, really identify with black people...

How do you know she displayed integrity. Bret Kavanaugh also met that bar, but it wasn't enough to stop 'Injun' Lizzie to jump on the he's a rapist bandwagon.

 

[CandiCame]

She claims "Cherokee" but if you are not on the rolls, you aren't...



Besides, there were no Cherokee anywhere near where her family has resided.

Which band?

 

[CandiCame]

So are we just gonna keep saying "Injun" now? There's like 3 people on this thread. Yhall gonna break out "Redskin"?

Just curious.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Why is "Pocahontas" the go-to insult from white folks? This has always confused me. But it's weird. When they want to insult you, you're an Injun. When they want to pretend they aren't racist, they have a Cherokee grandma, but no idea what a clan, the boundary, or the eastern and western split are. You just... you just get headaches from those folks.

You got me curious enough to visit the Lit Archives to try and determine the first recorded use of "Pocohontas" as a pejorative.

I had to wade through the banhammered simpleton Ishmael's strange fascination with the Disney "Pocohontas" movie circa 2005.

The first use of "Pocohontas" as a General Board slur came from the banhammered situational Native American 4est_4est_Gump (Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!) back in May 2012. He was hiding (Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!) behind an American Thinker editorial (Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!) which would give him "plausible deniability" when called out on his racist rhetoric ("I didn't say it! I didn't agree with it! I was merely passing it along!")

As Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren and her Harvard partners in crime are learning, academic fraud is not as easy to get away with as it used to be in the good old days before the emergence of a vigilant alternative media.

Writing for Breitbart, Michael Patrick Leahy revealed on Friday a spring 1993 article that listed Warren as one of approximately 250 "women of color" in legal academia. The article was published in what was then called the Harvard Women's Law Journal and would have been released roughly when Warren was being considered for tenure.

At the time, Harvard Law was desperately seeking just such women. Just three years earlier, the Law School found itself embroiled in a nasty racial brouhaha. Black firebrand law professor Derrick Bell was demanding that Harvard appoint a woman of color to the law faculty. This protest would culminate in vigils and protests by the racially sensitive student body, in the course of which Bell supporter Barack Obama would compare the increasingly absurd Bell to Rosa Parks.

Feeling the pressure, Harvard Law Review editors wanted to elect their first African-American president. "Obama cast himself as an eager listener," the New York Times reported in the article that would catch the eye of literary agent Jane Dystel, "sometimes giving warring classmates the impression that he agreed with all of them at once."

In effect, the pressure Bell had brought to bear launched Obama's political career, and it may have given Warren the idea to reinvent herself as Pocahontas. One could almost forgive Warren for cheating a little. At the time, the Law School faculty was flush with cheats, including Obama's two most prominent mentors.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...ards_culture_of_corruption.html#ixzz1wGBwqVFz

 

[BBX50]

NIGGER OBLIMO had teh GALL to say

She didnt use the INDIAN shit for herself


A 1997 Fordham Law Review piece described Elizabeth Warren as Harvard Law School's "first woman of color.”http://bit****/2IcoWCw

 

[BBX50]

This Elizabeth Warren press release can mean only one thing. She's about to sue some poor bastard for residual casino ownership shares.