The problem with the GOP is that it is no longer the party of conservatives.

[zipman]

The ideology of the GOP is:
- Make the 1% richer
- No gun legistlation whatsover
- Protect white power at all costs
- Use hate and fear to control the party members

 

[BotanyBoy]

Resolve.

He got cucked by Hillary Clinton LOL....resolve.

The only thing that's going to make real change happen is for Democrat voters to stop making excuses for their weak (greedy) fucking reps/senators and replace their sorry asses until they get the message and decide to stop selling out every chance they get and at least occasionally do right by the people.

Same goes for the (R)'s who are all of a sudden pro ACA (never Obamacare) because their beloved (R)'s decided that they actually weren't going to repeal every word of Obamacare or replace it with anything worth a fuck.



The first party to step up to the plate and make a decent move on any major issue (immigration, HC, infrastructure) will be plunging a knife in the heart of the other party if not cutting their fuckin heads off. If they do it ever 10 years the other side will NEVER recover.

Someone is going to make a move eventually......

 

[Kirkrapine]

He got cucked by Hillary Clinton LOL....

What makes you think that word applies here?

 

[Kirkrapine]

The first party to step up to the plate and make a decent move on any major issue (immigration . . .

W tried that once and his party's base revolted.

 

[nowisthetime]

Hey heeeey, there's our boy! Welcome back from your vay-kay, Vette!

Your bushy-tailed friskiness in getting back into the swim here means that it was four-star hotel service, no doubt!

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Thought he died or something.

Back and stinkier than ever.

Usually once one comes back from a long vacation, he or she is refreshed and optimistic.

But we aren't talking about normal humans here, soooo....

 

[CandiCame]

My problem is that they killed Outlaw Country for no reason that I can figure out.

There used to be tons of songs about how the government and big corporations were going to fuck us over. We went from, "Load 16 tons, and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt!" To "Coal keeps the lights on" bumper stickers. We went from a culture that fundamentally did not trust big government or big corporations to... this shit where we're all not just totally ok with that but very PRO those things.

I don't like it. I want my culture back.

That's not representative of all republicans, btw, just my specific culture in particular. I'm not Jesusy and I won't bodyshame ANYBODY but seeing republicans defend the first lady having nude photos is SURREAL. I guess my problem is that it changed so fast (within my lifetime) soas to become unrecognizable and now makes no sense whatsoever. The stance is like... nothing. It's flip floppity. It seems more to just be whatever would make the person they're trying to make look good look good. That's not conservatism. Conservatism is about traditionalism. It's weird.

But mostly the music. I don't like greeting card lyrics.

 

[Kirkrapine]

And what about "neoconservatism"? The notion that America's role is to bear the torch of capitalism and democracy to benighted foreign lands by force -- what's conservative about that?! It's exactly analogous to Trotskyist "permanent revolution" thinking! (In fact, the first neocons were disaffected Trotskyists.)

 

[Kirkrapine]

I'm not Jesusy and I won't bodyshame ANYBODY but seeing republicans defend the first lady having nude photos is SURREAL.

Their treatment of Michelle Obama was even more so. She really is a beautiful woman, and not at all masculine or apelike.

 

[someoneyouknow]

No, my party is no longer the party of conservatives. They're closer to fascists.

That they insist on taking away people's rights, running up massive yearly deficits and rampaging, out of control spending, is not what conservatives are about.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, my party is no longer the party of conservatives. They're closer to fascists.

It's like a idiot tag.....

 

[SpeareChucker]

The problem with the Democrat Party, the Party of my grandfather and father is that they are no longer classic liberals, but Progressive Socialists who are pissed as hell that the Republicans (with many notable exceptions) have not followed them down that rabbit hole, and for, to them, some inexplicable reason refuse to vote for social justice.

 

[thehaircutgirl]

The problem with the Democrat Party, the Party of my grandfather and father is that they are no longer classic liberals, but Progressive Socialists who are pissed as hell that the Republicans (with many notable exceptions) have not followed them down that rabbit hole, and for, to them, some inexplicable reason refuse to vote for social justice.

your father and grandfather are embarrassed by you. believe that, frisco.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You sure about that?
You knew them?

 

[Kirkrapine]

The problem with the Democrat Party, the Party of my grandfather and father is that they are no longer classic liberals, but Progressive Socialists who are pissed as hell that the Republicans (with many notable exceptions) have not followed them down that rabbit hole, and for, to them, some inexplicable reason refuse to vote for social justice.

IF ONLY! It is only the GOP that has morphed into an ideological party; the Democrats remain what they were in the 1970s, a coalition of interest groups. Otherwise, Sanders would be president now.

 

[Kirkrapine]

No, my party is no longer the party of conservatives. They're closer to fascists.

Right-populists, at any rate; they lack the imagination to be full-on fascists. I have read that Franco was not really a fascist because he was "a cop, not an artist."

 

[SpeareChucker]

IF ONLY! It is only the GOP that has morphed into an ideological party; the Democrats remain what they were in the 1970s, a coalition of interest groups. Otherwise, Sanders would be president now.

Even in the 70s, the party had not been completely radicalized by coalitions of special interest groups. Do some research. Even then, it was the Conservative Democrats who held the reins of party power.

And in those days, one of the most powerful groups was the blue-collar, mostly white, union workers who are now, according to the party, "deplorable" after having been told that their jobs were never, ever coming back...

 

[Kirkrapine]

Even in the 70s, the party had not been completely radicalized by coalitions of special interest groups. Do some research. Even then, it was the Conservative Democrats who held the reins of party power.

I have done the research -- if there's one thing I know about, it is the history of American party politics since the 1950s -- and what you say is mostly false. It was the "radicals" who assured the nomination of the not-at-all-very-radical McGovern. (Well, them and Nixon's CREEP.) Nor has the party since that period been "radicalized by coalitions of special interest groups." It is the neoliberal, corporate-friendly DLC that has held sway for a long time now.

And in those days, one of the most powerful groups was the blue-collar, mostly white, union workers who are now, according to the party, "deplorable" after having been told that their jobs were never, ever coming back...

Well, they haven't, have they? And unions hardly count for anything any more. (If you want to know why, read The Work of Nations, by Robert Reich.) And yes, the group you describe has mostly gone over to the Pubs -- but certainly not for economic reasons.

 

[someoneyouknow]

It's like a idiot tag.....

Yes, it does describe many Republicans nowadays. Idiots who don't realize how much they've drifted.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Let's see. Authoritarian. Check. Ultranationalism. Semi-check (definitely nationalism). Dictatorial power. Semi-check (see current regime where Republicans in House and Senate rubber stamp everything). Forcible suppression of opposition. Not yet (con artist has said he wants to do away with protections for press and expand libel laws to suppress opposition). Strong regimentation of society. Not yet, but getting there. Regimentation of the economy. Nope (but they have no problem using taxpayer money to prop up failing businesses or billions in subsidies).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, it does describe many Republicans nowadays.

Name one and any fascist policies they support.

Because I'm betting my list of 'nationalize the economy' no shit definitive socialists among the (D)'s is longer.

Let's see. Authoritarian. Check.

Where? Name the authoritarian policies and (R)'s.

Ultranationalism. Semi-check (definitely nationalism).

Nope....basic ass patriotism and not hating your home country and it's traditional political values doesn't make you an ultranationalist.

Definitely not a Democrat, but sure as shit not ultranationalist.

Dictatorial power. Semi-check (see current regime where Republicans in House and Senate rubber stamp everything).

Just the fact that you recognize we have a house/senate proves no dictatorial power.

Losing democracy =/= authoritarian dictatorship.

Might feel like it for the losers, but it's not.

Strong regimentation of society. Not yet, but getting there.

Not socially....deff economically, but again that's mostly (D)'s doing that.

Regimentation of the economy. Nope (but they have no problem using taxpayer money to prop up failing businesses or billions in subsidies).

Not even holding a match to the level of economic control the Democrats are asking for or the economic welfare they've asked for/blown on their own pet projects .

 

[Kirkrapine]

Nope....basic ass patriotism and not hating your home country and it's traditional political values doesn't make you an ultranationalist.

Trumpers are into nationalism, not patriotism. For the difference, see here.

By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’(1). But secondly — and this is much more important — I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognising no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

Good ol' Orwell!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trumpers are into nationalism, not patriotism. For the difference, see here.



Good ol' Orwell!

And your reference backs me up.

Most of RW America isn't nationalistic, it's patriotic.

The left (including you apparently) just despise any sort of patriotism.......


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So they tend to consider any sort of respect or priority for ones nation or society to be "ULTRAnationalistic" .



Ancient Rome and Nazi Germany were UBERnationalistic.....not the US and not any relevant numbers of it's people.

 

[Kirkrapine]

You sure about that?
You knew them?

Maybe not your grandfather, but everybody knew your grandmother!

 

[Kirkrapine]

And your reference backs me up.

Most of RW America isn't nationalistic, it's patriotic.

While both sides are often guilty, it is RWs far more than LWs who have "the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’."

 

[BotanyBoy]

While both sides are often guilty, it is RWs far more than LWs who have "the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects

Said the big democrat and social justice fan.......source of the most intense outpouring of identity politics in American history.

The near entirety of the modern american left wing political philosophy revolve around classifying people like insects. You couldn't have social justice and intersectionality without it.

You'd have to point out actual racists doing racist shit instead of being lazy and using terms like "white privilege" or "male privilege" to describe instances of racism and sexism so that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled racist/sexist or not racist/sexist.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Said the big democrat and social justice fan.......source of the most intense outpouring of identity politics in American history.

I consider class politics more important than identity politics.