Kreepy Kavanaugh

[moonflasher]

I find it odd she chose to go to a politician rather then the police.

 

[Oblimo]

Saying you have no memory is not the same as "denying" it.

Reagan taught the country that lesson during the Iran-Contra hearings, when he testified he could neither “confirm nor deny,” after all.

 

[Oblimo]

I find it odd she chose to go to a politician rather then the police.

The politician was in a position to do something, while the police are notorious for doing nothing about this sort of thing. But she also asked for the FBI to investigate, and Grassley quashed that idea, as I remember.

 

[KeithD]

Breitbart had the story and the link, but Keith would have whined if I linked it as WSJ usually makes you subscribe to see their stories unless they are linked by sites like Drudge which is where I had to go to get the link.

Yep, I would have. But with something to go on I traced the reports in the mainstream, respectable media.

 

[KeithD]

Let me play KeithD's part: cite?

Why? What you quoted wasn't claiming something having happened. I'm not sure you understand how to research properly.

 

[KeithD]

Rolling Stone rape hoax - believed by Democrats.

Nope, I didn't believe it and I'm a Democrat. So, again, one of your sweeping generalizations is just that--a false sweeping generalization.

 

[Oblimo]

I would say the threats were widely reported.

I agree. It’s also a story where there’s nothing to gain by making it up in mainstream media like the WSJ. It doesn’t do anything to bolster Kavanaugh’s version of events.

 

[KeithD]

36 years to report it.

All witnesses deny it.

He denies it.

No location.

No date.

No other evidence.

No other accusers.

But "we know" he's guilty? Are they NUTS? #ConfirmKavanaugh

Which doesn't make you wonder why the Repugs (and Kavanaugh) wouldn't be pleased as punch to have it investigated? What do you think they're hiding? This is parallel to Trump constantly says "nothing on Russia to see here" as his colleagues continue to fall around him (with connections to the Russians).

Doesn't look to me that there's enough evidenced to pin Kavanaugh down as having done this. So, why are the Repugs running so scared and screwing themselves in November with their stance on this?

 

[Que]

Just responding to the list of felonies listed by Oblimo. That's way too much bullshit for an allegation that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

What's that phrase from some other series of (actual, strongly evidenced) crimws?

"No reasonable prosecutor. . ."

 

[KeithD]

I find it odd she chose to go to a politician rather then the police.

She went to her congressional district representative, which is the natural place to start under the circumstances. (And this answers why she didn't go to Feinstein first. She could have, but that's not more logical to do with an issue that has political significance.) Her congressional representative is a woman and from the party most likely to give Ford what she wants--and going the political rather than the police route goes directly to the significance of the issue and what Ford wants out of it. There isn't anyone who's claiming this isn't being done for political reasons.

 

[cowslinger64]

What's that phrase from some other series of (actual, strongly evidenced) crimws?

"No reasonable prosecutor. . ."

You spelled crimes wrong... that makes you stupid.


Funny how that works both ways, huh?

 

[Oblimo]

Just responding to the list of felonies listed by Oblimo. That's way too much bullshit for an allegation that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

What's that phrase from some other series of (actual, strongly evidenced) crimws?

"No reasonable prosecutor. . ."

Christ. No wonder laypeople like you two need to hire attorneys.

I didn’t say he was guilty of those crimes. I didn’t say there was enough evidence to prosecute those crimes.

I said that it seemed to me to be enough in the allegation to open a non-spurious investigation, in which the State of Maryland would attempt to gather the absent evidence you describe, in order to decide whether there was enough evidence to move beyond investigation to the next step.

And so Kavanaugh does in fact have at least some Due Process rights to consider during his testimony. He has to worry about incriminating himself.

See how this works?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Investiate what?
On a date that I cannot recall, at a place I don't remember the location of, surrounded by people who say, "I have no idea what she's talking about," or, "I wasn't there," and having no evidence what-so-ever, I want you guys to go find out what happened.
Neither the police or the FBI are ever going to look into a case like that.
I suggest better progress might be had by sending her to a mental health professional not of her choosing to coax a coherent story out of her.

 

[Oblimo]

They will never do so.

Unless the allegations are true and Kavanaugh, not willing to lie under oath as you claim he is, testifies without invoking his 5th Amendment rights. Then they might.

But it is very doubtful. Still, it is something that Kavanaugh must weigh. Also, him going under oath and saying “I’ve never done anything like that, never seen this woman before in my life, was never at such a party,” provides something to investigate/confirm.

He’s royally fucked in a rolling donught, and I’m not sure that is fair.

 

[Oblimo]

Investiate what?
On a date that I cannot recall, at a place I don't remember the location of, surrounded by people who say, "I have no idea what she's talking about," or, "I wasn't there," and having no evidence what-so-ever, I want you guys to go find out what happened.
Neither the police or the FBI are ever going to look into a case like that.
I suggest better progress might be had by sending her to a mental health professional not of her choosing to coax a coherent story out of her.

Do any of you realize I am arguing why it might be unfair to compel Kavanaugh to testify before the Senate on this matter, and that his refusal to testify ought not to be considered a mark against him?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Unless the allegations are true and Kavanaugh, not willing to lie under oath as you claim he is, testifies without invoking his 5th Amendment rights. Then they might.

But it is very doubtful. Still, it is something that Kavanaugh must weigh. Also, him going under oath and saying “I’ve never done anything like that, never seen this woman before in my life, was never at such a party,” provides something to investigate/confirm.

He’s royally fucked in a rolling donught, and I’m not sure that is fair.

Do any of you realize I am arguing why it might be unfair to compel Kavanaugh to testify before the Senate on this matter, and that his refusal to testify ought not to be considered a mark against him?

Are you then demanding that he prove his innocence, to prove that he was not at that unknown place, on that unknown date and not witnessed by people who say they don't remember any such incident, and that it has to be under oath? Meanwhile, the accuser doesn't want to go under oath, doesn't want to be questioned by a legal expert in sexual assault and cannot possibly arrive until the 11th hour because she has to drive, and by the way, she wants to hear his defense before she'll take the stage for her command performance.

I say fuck that, vote on Monday.
If you ever find any actual proof, then impeach him.

PS - There is no indication in his behavior or words to the effect that he doesn't want to testify, in fact, it's the exact opposite; he wants to testify. I don't think she wants to testify and I still think there is a good chance that ultimately she won't so that the Democrats can then run on the frantic wail, "THEY REFUSED TO INVESTIGATE HIM!"

This isn't about justice, it's about politics and Roe.

 

[Que]

Christ. No wonder laypeople like you two need to hire attorneys.

I didn’t say he was guilty of those crimes. I didn’t say there was enough evidence to prosecute those crimes.

I said that it seemed to me to be enough in the allegation to open a non-spurious investigation, in which the State of Maryland would attempt to gather the absent evidence you describe, in order to decide whether there was enough evidence to move beyond investigation to the next step.

And so Kavanaugh does in fact have at least some Due Process rights to consider during his testimony. He has to worry about incriminating himself.

See how this works?

There is this thing called the statute of limitations, counselor. He faces no criminal jeopardy at all, the Fifth Amendment does not have any relevance to the decision-making here. Was anybody going to get a conviction on perjury on an event that they can't prosecute the underlying crime?

Politically, not demanding to answer his accuser would be suicidal.

Pro tip: assuming that you don't just have an internet law degree like Sean, I strongly suggest if you find yourself facing criminal jeopardy that you hire an actual, competent, practicing, criminal defence attorney.

Which you clearly are not.

 

[Oblimo]

Are you then demanding that he prove his innocence, to prove that he was not at that unknown place, on that unknown date and not witnessed by people who say they don't remember any such incident, and that it has to be under oath?

Are you reading what I am saying? Did you even read what you fucking quoted?!

While I was writing in this thread, did I have a stroke and am now suffering neurological agraphia, and am posting nonsensical word salads that you are rightfully unable to comprehend?

Do I need to take remedial English?

What the fuck is going on?

 

[Que]

Are you reading what I am saying? Did you even read what you fucking quoted?!

While I was writing in this thread, did I have a stroke and am now suffering neurological agraphia, and am posting nonsensical word salads that you are rightfully unable to comprehend?

Do I need to take remedial English?

What the fuck is going on?

Apparently, to at least one of the above.

 

[moonflasher]

The politician was in a position to do something, while the police are notorious for doing nothing about this sort of thing. But she also asked for the FBI to investigate, and Grassley quashed that idea, as I remember.

Laughable reply...….I wonder how many before her have gone to a politician over the police. I wish you'd post the stats showing that the police do nothing.

I'm a woman and I think she lying. She had a political agenda or she would have gone to the police long before now.

 

[SpeareChucker]

All I see is you yammering abut him being under oath and taking the Fifth when there is no crime in play.

Maybe you should be a little more clear as to what your point is.

 

[Oblimo]

There is this thing called the statute of limitations, counselor. He faces no criminal jeopardy at all, the Fifth Amendment does not have
any relevance to the decision-making here.

Oh God. I did have a stroke. I am now agraphic.

Somebody, anybody, take a look at this post and tell me what I actually said...maybe I can reeducate my neural pathways to write substantive English once again...

 

[SpeareChucker]

"Meanwhile, the accuser doesn't want to go under oath, doesn't want to be questioned by a legal expert in sexual assault and cannot possibly arrive until the 11th hour because she has to drive, and by the way, she wants to hear his defense before she'll take the stage for her command performance."

You stopped quoting too soon.

 

[Bookishleigh]

I see mAnn still hasn't learned what "consent" means. Imagine being a female in his life.

I prefer not to remotely acknowledge you; however, you seem to have confusion with the word consent as well - given this is at least the second time you have discussed my life directly (your parental convo with Que) or indirectly (your statement prior to this).

I asked you before privately not to even mention a hint of me and yet you seem compelled to continue to do so. So publicly, stop.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Oh God. I did have a stroke. I am now agraphic.

Somebody, anybody, take a look at this post and tell me what I actually said...maybe I can reeducate my neural pathways to write substantive English once again...

And when I asked you for a cite, you fucking ignored me.