why do people support palestine?

[dominatrixjane]

why do people support palestine now? because

why do people support palestine now? because

i just don't understand.

someone please explain.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Well Palestine was Palestine until in 1947 when 56% of it was declared Israel and a few wars later another 21% of Palestine became Israel. Some view that as European colonialism of the Middle East, especially since Palestine was under British control at the time. Many of them Arab, but not all.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I won't do this thread without a poll.

I'm not going to play Sun City either.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Well Palestine was Palestine until in 1947 when 56% of it was declared Israel and a few wars later another 21% of Palestine became Israel. Some view that as European colonialism of the Middle East, especially since Palestine was under British control at the time. Many of them Arab, but not all.

No it wasn't.

Ottoman territory.
Territory of Jordan.
Territory of Egypt.

Palestine is nothing more than a generic regional name that does not indicate any sort of statehood.

 

[richard_daily]

why do people support palestine?

i just don't understand.

please explain.

Russian bot, it's very simple: people do not deserved to be oppressed and murdered.

 

[beew]

Well Palestine was Palestine until in 1947 when 56% of it was declared Israel and a few wars later another 21% of Palestine became Israel. Some view that as European colonialism of the Middle East, especially since Palestine was under British control at the time. Many of them Arab, but not all.

"European colonialism of the Middle East" lol.

Y'all forget that the same Europeans had just baked in ovens millions of Jews the years before, and that anti-semitism has always been and continues to be rife in Northern Europe.
This being one of the factors leading to the creation of the State of Israel.

Which doesn't excuse the human rights encroachments against Palestinians, of course.

 

[richard_daily]

"European colonialism of the Middle East" lol.

Y'all forget that the same Europeans had just baked in ovens millions of Jews the years before, and that anti-semitism has always been and continues to be rife in Northern Europe.
This being one of the factors leading to the creation of the State of Israel.

Which doesn't excuse the human rights encroachments against Palestinians, of course.

This is all correct.

Israel should have been made up of parts of Germany and parts of Italy. The problem is that Zionism creates more anti-antisemitism by design.

If you want a stable middle-east, this isn't the way to do it. If you want the "end times party" that many apocalyptic religious zealots want, then this is a great way to accomplish that.

 

[rae121452]

i've always been a supporter of israel. HOWEVER.............

when you shoot 50 some people for touching your fences and then shoot the legs off of their relatives, my patience is wearing thin.

i live in the ghetto and even i couldn't get away with that shit.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

"European colonialism of the Middle East" lol.

Y'all forget that the same Europeans had just baked in ovens millions of Jews the years before, and that anti-semitism has always been and continues to be rife in Northern Europe.
This being one of the factors leading to the creation of the State of Israel.

Which doesn't excuse the human rights encroachments against Palestinians, of course.

I did not forget anything. I merely made simple declarative statements of fact.

 

[beew]

This is all correct.

Israel should have been made up of parts of Germany and parts of Italy. The problem is that Zionism creates more anti-antisemitism by design.

If you want a stable middle-east, this isn't the way to do it. If you want the "end times party" that many apocalyptic religious zealots want, then this is a great way to accomplish that.

True on all points.

Re the first highlighted part:
Yes, Zionism and regional meddling by Israel's leaders, and the very existence of the State of Israel (which took over the lands of Muslims) is a huge contributory factor to the hatred felt by many in the Middle East.

But as to Western laypeople - many use these as an excuse for their own anti-semitism.
There have been similar, if not worse human rights breaches ever since, and none of these SJWers give two hoots about them.

 

[jaF0]

please explain.

'Cuz they're trying to kick Israel in the yahu.

 

[glBock]

"European colonialism of the Middle East" lol.

Y'all forget that the same Europeans had just baked in ovens millions of Jews the years before, and that anti-semitism has always been and continues to be rife in Northern Europe.
This being one of the factors leading to the creation of the State of Israel.

Which doesn't excuse the human rights encroachments against Palestinians, of course.

Have you ever asked yourself why in the world anti-semitism has run rampant in pretty much ever corner of the world, where "semites" have settled? It certainly was Never only a "nothern European" thing.

Could it be, perhaps, that Something about the behavior and attitudes of "semites" might have caused that?

This question comes, BTW, from a man whose parents and grandparents were involved -in one kind or other - in the "baking" as you called it of Jews. And you can believe me that I condone absolutely nothing we did to Jews then. And I realize also fully well, how much we have hurt ourselves by our transgressions then also.

But I am asking my question because I suspect there are very understandable reasons for anti-semitism. Beyond just hatred; which I am sure played a role also. BUT not the only one, I am sure.

PS: beew, if you want to brag about your knowledge of the Holocaust, perhaps you might want to invest at least half an hour of your time learning how it took place

 

[beew]

I did not forget anything. I merely made simple declarative statements of fact.

Not you in particular, I haven't seen you make anti-semitic inuendoes.

I used your post more in order to comment on something that I noticed consistently in such forums, and that got me thinking for quite some time.

 

[beew]

Have you ever asked yourself why in the world anti-semitism has run rampant in pretty much ever corner of the world, where "semites" have settled? It certainly was Never only a "nothern European" thing.

Could it be, perhaps, that Something about the behavior and attitudes of "semites" might have caused that?

This question comes, BTW, from a man whose parents and grandparents were involved -in one kind or other - in the "baking" as you called it of Jews. And you can believe me that I condone absolutely nothing we did to Jews then. And I realize also fully well, how much we have hurt ourselves by our transgressions then also.

But I am asking my question because I suspect there are very understandable reasons for anti-semitism. Beyond just hatred; which I am sure played a role also. BUT not the only one, I am sure.

PS: beew, if you want to brag about your knowledge of the Holocaust, perhaps you might want to invest at least half an hour of your time learning how it took place

I guess it's a matter of nuance.

And you being born in Germany, myself being born in the Balkans have different histories and different views.
For example, the more superficial might call me a 'racist' or islamophobe too, because I am opposed to the (clearly economic) migration of so many Muslim young men, and am critical of the misogyny of Islam.

But there's a huge difference between Richard's post, and what people like JaFo or Rob post.

 

[WoundedKnee]

The USA made a mistake of "supporting" Palestine and they took all of our support and put it into the effort to kill Jews. Of course, since Muslim Arabs also live in Israel, they'll happily kill them too since they are not killing Jews...

 

[jaF0]

Israel should be dissolved.

 

[Sean]

When you lock a couple of million people up in the world's largest concentration camp and massacre them at will, you're going to attract some opprobrium from anyone that isn't a complete cunt.

 

[Bray123]

There were several options for the location of a Jewish homeland after WW2. They could have chosen part of Germany as that would have been apt punishment for the holocaust.

They could have chosen Mesopotamia but that was too close to the oilfields of Iran/Iraq/Kuwait.

They could have gone for Egypt (where the Jews lived before escaping slavery) or Sinai (where Moses apparently received the Ten Commandments).

Instead the country was created in a fertile chunk of Palestine which Moses had declared to be the 'Promised Land' but where the population was about 100% Muslim apart from some British influence. So the farms where people had lived for thousands of years were confiscated without thought for the problems thus created. Typical really of British colonial attitudes of the time.

 

[rae121452]

read it:

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab–Jewish Conflict over Palestine is a controversial 1984 book by Joan Peters about the demographics of the Arab population of Palestine and of the Jewish population of the Arab world before and after the formation of the State of Israel.

 

[beew]

There were several options for the location of a Jewish homeland after WW2. They could have chosen part of Germany as that would have been apt punishment for the holocaust.

They could have chosen Mesopotamia but that was too close to the oilfields of Iran/Iraq/Kuwait.

They could have gone for Egypt (where the Jews lived before escaping slavery) or Sinai (where Moses apparently received the Ten Commandments).

Instead the country was created in a fertile chunk of Palestine which Moses had declared to be the 'Promised Land' but where the population was about 100% Muslim apart from some British influence. So the farms where people had lived for thousands of years were confiscated without thought for the problems thus created. Typical really of British colonial attitudes of the time.

Fascinating read.

I wonder if things would have been more stable if they would have gone for Northern Africa instead.

 

[Sean]

There were several options for the location of a Jewish homeland after WW2. They could have chosen part of Germany as that would have been apt punishment for the holocaust.

They could have chosen Mesopotamia but that was too close to the oilfields of Iran/Iraq/Kuwait.

They could have gone for Egypt (where the Jews lived before escaping slavery) or Sinai (where Moses apparently received the Ten Commandments).

Instead the country was created in a fertile chunk of Palestine which Moses had declared to be the 'Promised Land' but where the population was about 100% Muslim apart from some British influence. So the farms where people had lived for thousands of years were confiscated without thought for the problems thus created. Typical really of British colonial attitudes of the time.

Churchill tried to palm the problem off to the USA but the yanks wouldn't touch it with a fucking barge pole.

 

[beew]

read it:

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab–Jewish Conflict over Palestine is a controversial 1984 book by Joan Peters about the demographics of the Arab population of Palestine and of the Jewish population of the Arab world before and after the formation of the State of Israel.

Wow.

“Peters demonstrates that Jews did not displace Arabs in Palestine-just the reverse: Arabs displaced Jews;

that a hidden but major Arab migration and immigration took place into areas settled by Jews in pre-Israel Palestine; that a substantial number of the Arab refugees called Palestinians in reality had foreign roots;
that for every Arab refugee who left Israel in 1948, there was a Jewish refugee who fled or was expelled from his Arab birthplace at the same time-today's much discussed Sephardic majority in Israel is in fact composed mainly of these Arab-born Jewish refugees or their offspring;
that Britain, the Mandatory power, winked at and even encouraged Arab immigration into Palestine between the two World Wars.”

https://www.amazon.com/Time-Immemorial-Arab-Jewish-Conflict-Palestine/dp/0963624202

But I understand that it's a highly disputed book. Some historians praise it, while other historians claim that it's rubbish.

Who the Hell knows what's true about History any more? Each historian put a certain spin on facts, depending on their own political agenda.

There were several options for the location of a Jewish homeland after WW2.

Instead the country was created in a fertile chunk of Palestine which Moses had declared to be the 'Promised Land' but where the population was about 100% Muslim apart from some British influence. So the farms where people had lived for thousands of years were confiscated without thought for the problems thus created. Typical really of British colonial attitudes of the time.

 

[beew]

Dominatrixjane is an odd bird.
Just like TalkRadio / FakeNews.

Never posts anything other than quotes from articles, probably in order not to betray who's behind the username.

 

[Hypoxia]

Dominatrixjane is an odd bird.
Just like TalkRadio / FakeNews.

Never posts anything other than quotes from articles, probably in order not to betray who's behind the username.

The word you're looking for is 'troll'.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Well Palestine was Palestine until in 1947 when 56% of it was declared Israel and a few wars later another 21% of Palestine became Israel. Some view that as European colonialism of the Middle East, especially since Palestine was under British control at the time. Many of them Arab, but not all.

This "colonialism" was more like liberation of areas conquered hundreds of years earlier by the Ottoman Empire.