The Jobs for Success Act

[TalkRadio]

Republicans rejected Democrats’ efforts Wednesday to increase money for job training or child care for those on welfare, keeping their massive reform bill on track for approval in a key committee.

The bill would tighten eligibility requirements for federal assistance and ask states to pressure recipients to find and keep jobs

Republicans say too many people stay on welfare rolls indefinitely, keeping them out of the productive workforce and sapping taxpayer-funded benefits.

The bill, dubbed the Jobs for Success Act, would make states work with welfare recipients to find employment and would score states on their ability to place and keep their residents in jobs.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/23/gop-welfare-reform-on-track-in-house/

 

[bellisarius]

It will be interesting to see how that all plays out, particularly how those states with overly generous minimum wage benefits get scored.

 

[bestone4ever]

It will be interesting to see how that all plays out, particularly how those states with overly generous minimum wage benefits get scored.

Me too. I didn't read the entire article so please forgive my ignorance for a moment. Is this to include those underemployed?

 

[Hypoxia]

1. WashingtonTimes is a Moonie bullshit organ.

2. Vanishingly few people stay on welfare long but corporate welfare is immortal.

3. Bismarck's goals in starting a national welfare system were to:

3a. Promote a healthy, productive society that pays more taxes.
3b. Deprive leftists of a major campaign issue.
3c. Keep the masses from rising and slaughtering the aristos.

The US Constitution's stated reasons to establish a federal government are "to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

Any moves that don't promote the general welfare are unconstitutional and traitorous.

 

[HisArpy]

1. WashingtonTimes is a Moonie bullshit organ.

2. Vanishingly few people stay on welfare long but corporate welfare is immortal.

3. Bismarck's goals in starting a national welfare system were to:

3a. Promote a healthy, productive society that pays more taxes.
3b. Deprive leftists of a major campaign issue.
3c. Keep the masses from rising and slaughtering the aristos.

The US Constitution's stated reasons to establish a federal government are "to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

Any moves that don't promote the general welfare are unconstitutional and traitorous.

So, let me ask you this;

If the purpose of the consittution is to "promote the general welfare" and "any laws that don't do that are traitorous and unconstitutional", then wouldn't congressionally sanctioned (ie: a "law") rules that allow for "corporate welfare" be ok?

I mean, welfare is welfare. Right?

Or are you only in favor of the gov returning the money they took from everyone to everyone? Minus the "administration fee" of course.

 

[Rightguide]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/23/gop-welfare-reform-on-track-in-house/

Frankly it's time for people to get out and get a job. Time for people to start taking responsibility for their own lives and well being. It's time for Americans as a people to care enough about the future of our youth not to give them incentives to stay at home and do nothing, or to think that worthwhile things in life can be had without hard work.

 

[bestone4ever]

Frankly it's time for people to get out and get a job. Time for people to start taking responsibility for their own lives and well being. It's time for Americans as a people to care enough about the future of our youth not to give them incentives to stay at home and do nothing, or to think that worthwhile things in life can be had without hard work.

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[Hypoxia]

So, let me ask you this;

If the purpose of the consittution is to "promote the general welfare" and "any laws that don't do that are traitorous and unconstitutional", then wouldn't congressionally sanctioned (ie: a "law") rules that allow for "corporate welfare" be ok?

I mean, welfare is welfare. Right?

Until post-War of Southern Treason, US corporations were tightly regulated by the jurisdictions where they were incorporated, as per Adam Smith. The corp-is-a-person insanity decoupled that. Corporations are not people and do not deserve personal rights. "Corporate welfare" is gov't choosing winners and losers in business -- after bribery, of course. That doesn't smell like a small-gov't plan, hey?

Or are you only in favor of the gov returning the money they took from everyone to everyone? Minus the "administration fee" of course.

What part of "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" don't you get?

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

What about racial and gender quotas? Are we suppose to put unqualified people in .shovel ready jobs they can't do? That's what Obama would do.

 

[HisArpy]

Until post-War of Southern Treason, US corporations were tightly regulated by the jurisdictions where they were incorporated, as per Adam Smith. The corp-is-a-person insanity decoupled that. Corporations are not people and do not deserve personal rights. "Corporate welfare" is gov't choosing winners and losers in business -- after bribery, of course. That doesn't smell like a small-gov't plan, hey?

What part of "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" don't you get?

The part where it says to establish justice. What's just about taking all of my hard earned money and giving it to lazy louts?

 

[AnAmericanDarling]

I love the Republican banter on this thread. Republican assholes just proving what they are (or are not.)

 

[Hypoxia]

The part where it says to establish justice. What's just about taking all of my hard earned money and giving it to lazy louts?

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" says Congress can take whatever they want and do with it however they please, like buy massive weapons systems that don't work. If you don't like it then change Congress... where Gups will raise your income tax soon while ballooning the deficit. Oy.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Anybody have any idea as to where the money comes from for this (seemingly) necessary expansion of the social welfare state or is discussion of the debt completely ignored when it comes to the altruism which makes one superior to a conservative or Republican?