How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

God's not real yo.

If God was real, the Christians would try to kill him.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

If God was real, the Christians would try to kill him.

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[xfrodobagginsx]

If God was real, the Christians would try to kill him.

True Christians worship Jesus Christ who is God. The reason why Christians are so hated is because they worship the true God. The Bible said it would happen. The non Christian mind is at war with God and His people.

 

[psiberzerker]

Christians are so hated is because they worship the true God.

Yeah, Allah. You do realize, it's the same God, right? In the Words of Jesus Himself. When he spoke of God, on the Mount, and to the Apostles, he didn't say "God" in English. He said it in Aramaic.

A trade language for the region, at the time. Everyone spoke it, and whatever other language (Syriac, Hebrew, Anatolian, Pharasi, Cheme...) so they could trade for stuff like Frankensece, and Myrrh.

That's why Jesus spoke it on the Mount. The first church of the Pentecost was a mixed crowd, who all spoke Aramaic.

And in Aramaic, God is "Allah." That's where the modern Arabic, Turkish... Word came from, and when.

Christians are hated, because you ruin it for those of us who Know God, and follow the teaching of Christ Jesus. You have eyes, but do not see. Ears, but do not hear. You have the Word, but do not understand it.

So Satan comes, and snatches it from your hearts. That's why you're hated. You judge people, and therefore are judged. That's God's job. Damning people for God is Blasphemy.

It says it, right there in the bible. Love God, and your neighbor, as yourself. This is the foundation of all of the law, and the prophets.

If you can't do that, you can call yourselves christians, but you're not. Love, or burn in hell. That is the Word Jesus was born, and sacrificed to bring you. Love and forgiveness.

That's it.

 

[Tryharder62]

Unless Muslims and Jewish people and others are acknowledging the triune nature of God then you can't say that they are worshipping the Same God. (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit have been, are, and will always be united as one)

But I agree, if people of all faiths would follow the principles that you outline the world would be a better place.

No need for hate!

 

[psiberzerker]

Unless Muslims and Jewish people and others are acknowledging the true nature of God then you can't say that they are worshipping the Same God.

No, I just have to take His Word for it. You're going to tell me the true nature of God? It says right there not to Worship Him, just to Love him.

Did you read the Gospels? Read them again. Jesus didn't say "Love thy neighbor, unless they Jews, because fuck those guys."

He said Don't judge, or be judged. By My Daddy, Any questions?

 

[ishtat]

Unless Muslims and Jewish people and others are acknowledging the triune nature of God then you can't say that they are worshipping the Same God. (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit have been, are, and will always be united as one)

Jesus of Nazareth spoke Aramaic in his daily life as did all of his disciples. He read the scrolls in the Synagogue in Hebrew and probably knew some Koine Greek (Speaking to the Centurian would probably have required the last mentioned) The name of God in the Assyrian church (the oldest of all) was Elahu or Allaha) Modern Aramaic speaking Assyrian Christians and Jews and Moslems all refer to God by his modernised name in Aramaic of Allah. JC called God by the same name. Them's the facts like it or not!

The earliest reference scholars can find to any reference to Trinitarianism is a dubious attribution to Valentinus (160 AD) and the early church did not introduce it into formal doctrinal thought until 325 AD its 'final status' not being established in the Western Roman Church until 451 AD at Chalcedon. Numerous Churches still argue over it.

'The Trinity' is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible at all - tho of course there have been all sorts of silly arguments developed after the event as spurious 'back reading' justifications.

The Trinty is purely a church made and man made concept well after JC's actual life to elevate him to a status where he could be worshipped rather than merely loved. His omnipotent power could then be usurped and invoked by the church authorities on earth to justify thir actions.

Of course Moslems, Jews, Zoroastrians, Christians et al all worship the same God. Mohamed actually clearly states the fact in the Quoran when he considers the Jews and Christians as "People of an earlier revealation".

You, Tryharder assume an incredibly arrogant position when you set yourself up as the Gatekeeper to God's (Allah's Yaweh'or Ahura's) kingdom. Who on earth are you to reject access to him because they don't follow the particular beliefs of your brand of Christianity. These criteria make it a very small and narrow minded brand, and one profoundly at odds with the tolerance of JC's own teaching.


NB. If you want to see how the Jews of JC's time referred to his Dad you need to read eithe EZra or Daniel which were the two books written almost entirely in Aramaic.

 

[psiberzerker]

Modern Aramaic speaking Assyrian Christians and Jews and Moslems all refer to God by his modernised name in Aramaic of Allah.

Yeah, I'm Antiochian Orthodox, so we use the Syriac Elaha. Same basic word, slightly different language, but you know Jabehn the Baptist wasn't named John, right? Myrhha was named after King James' cousin, Mary Queen of Scots? Also, Magdalena is Greek for "Of the tower" at Mystras. The "Tower" at Mystras was the Temple of Athena for Sparta. We don't know her real name, because they didn't write it down. They just called her "Mary" too.

Thanks for the rest of that. Nice to see another biblical scholar, but it's too long to quote. Just thought you'd like to know that about the "Mary"s.

 

[Tryharder62]

No, I just have to take His Word for it. You're going to tell me the true nature of God? It says right there not to Worship Him, just to Love him.

Did you read the Gospels? Read them again. Jesus didn't say "Love thy neighbor, unless they Jews, because fuck those guys."

He said Don't judge, or be judged. By My Daddy, Any questions?

I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't talking about the true nature of God, I was talking about the Trinity (triune) nature of God. 3 in 1

I have read the gospels and I agree God wants us to love one another. I have enough trouble dealing with my own hang ups and hurts to judge anybody else and what they believe.

'The Trinity' is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible at all - tho of course there have been all sorts of silly arguments developed after the event as spurious 'back reading' justifications.

Of course Moslems, Jews, Zoroastrians, Christians et al all worship the same God. Mohamed actually clearly states the fact in the Quoran when he considers the Jews and Christians as "People of an earlier revealation".

You, Tryharder assume an incredibly arrogant position when you set yourself up as the Gatekeeper to God's (Allah's Yaweh'or Ahura's) kingdom. Who on earth are you to reject access to him because they don't follow the particular beliefs of your brand of Christianity. These criteria make it a very small and narrow minded brand, and one profoundly at odds with the tolerance of JC's own teaching.

Your right the word trinity is not in the bible but God being the father, Jesus Christ the son, and the Holy spirit as one is.

The difference is how those faiths you mentioned view Jesus Christ. Christians do put him in a different place.

I have no desire to be the gatekeeper to the Gods. Yikes.
We have a choice. You make yours and I'll make mine.

 

[psiberzerker]

Your right the word trinity is not in the bible but God being the father, Jesus Christ the son, and the Holy spirit as one is.

No, it isn't. I read it in Syriac. Maybe the Jahova's Witnesses' or Mormon versions of it added "As one" but the original documents (Or the oldest copies we have, from the Dead Sea, Syria) don't. This isn't really up for much debate. It doesn't say that.

The difference is how those faiths you mentioned view Jesus Christ. Christians do put him in a different place.

Not really. I mean, there's Messianic Jews, and non-Messianic Jews, but the Muslems aren't even really divided over it. Mohammed is right about where Paul is in the Roman Catholic Church. A Prophet, they don't even claim anything different about Jesus MESSAGE.

You seem obsessed by this Jesus is The Son of God, and the Trinity makes Him God, and if you don't believe that, ur goin to hell.

Read it, again. The NIV is the closest to the Syriac version, but it doesn't say that.

He said God is OUR father, in Heaven...

We're all sons, and daughters of God. Brothers, and sisters, love our neighbors, don't judge, and forgive.

Don't damn them to hell. It's not your job, it's blasphemy. He literally said "Satan comes and snatches it from your heart." Don't take my word for it, I'm not Jesus. Fortuately, Mattais was there to write it down.

 

[Tryharder62]

No, it isn't. I read it in Syriac. Maybe the Jahova's Witnesses' or Mormon versions of it added "As one" but the original documents (Or the oldest copies we have, from the Dead Sea, Syria) don't. This isn't really up for much debate. It doesn't say that.



Not really. I mean, there's Messianic Jews, and non-Messianic Jews, but the Muslems aren't even really divided over it. Mohammed is right about where Paul is in the Roman Catholic Church. A Prophet, they don't even claim anything different about Jesus MESSAGE.

You seem obsessed by this Jesus is The Son of God, and the Trinity makes Him God, and if you don't believe that, ur goin to hell.

Read it, again. The NIV is the closest to the Syriac version, but it doesn't say that.

He said God is OUR father, in Heaven...

We're all sons, and daughters of God. Brothers, and sisters, love our neighbors, don't judge, and forgive.

Don't damn them to hell. It's not your job, it's blasphemy. He literally said "Satan comes and snatches it from your heart." Don't take my word for it, I'm not Jesus. Fortuately, Mattais was there to write it down.

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).


It is interesting to look at the way they are referred to in the bible. (singular - plural)

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


Interesting anyway....

I certainly have no power over hell. I can't believe you think I am in any way able to condemn anyone to hell.

We're all sons, and daughters of God. Brothers, and sisters, love our neighbors, don't judge, and forgive.
Your quote above.

So are you judging my friends that don't believe there is a God? They don't believe they are son's and daughter's of God. No God. Hmmmmmmm

Yes I do have a thing for Jesus....He saved my life.

 

[psiberzerker]

So are you judging my friends that don't believe there is a God? They don't believe they are son's and daughter's of God.

I don't know your friends, and I don't judge mine. (Frienemeies, I'm tempted.)

Sorry, the last line from above wasn't an accusation, it was a Message. Basically spreading the message I got from the gospels, not directed at You singularly, but pretty much anyone who would read it (And take it to heart. Can't really do more than try.)

The rest of it, we can argue over when it says Our, and which translation to use. I don't have a Arambic version handy, and I'm a little rusty on when or where plurality could be inferred. However, Jesus whenever referring to himself, never claimed to be The son of god, He spoke more like the Family of God as the Patriarch, and there's another point I have to make about Provenance:

It's sketchy. the Dead Sea Horde (Not just scrolls) was a wealth of information, from Gnostic sepratists. from one of the Ecumenical councils, which is why it also had Apochrypha like the Book of Enoch.

We don't have an extant original of it. Just several translations, but the KJV went through 7 consecutive translations after it left the Middle East in Greek. Just FYI, people have been debating these points for centuries. Like 12 centuries.

Your relationship with God is intimate, and personal. So is everyone else's, even if that relationship is with Nuada, or some other Pagan, IDFK, Quetzlquatl, if there were anyone left of that culture. You know what I mean. Or atheist, or the devil, they're not our souls, and we're not responsible for "Saving" them. Some of us just made a promise to spread the word, sow the seed, and see where that goes.

After that, it's out of our hands.

 

[phrodeau]

It's sketchy. That's a great summation.

Aramaic 'alah or 'elahh can mean diety, oak tree or turpentine. It also gets used for a heathen god. Nobody seems to know for sure, and there are plenty of religious scholars arguing all sides.

That's just the way it is when you're dealing with an ancient text based on a more ancient tale, claiming to be divinely inspired. Consistency, clarity or even common sense aren't in the cards.

 

[psiberzerker]

Aramaic 'alah or 'elahh can mean diety, oak tree or turpentine...

That's just the way it is when you're dealing with an ancient text based on a more ancient tale, claiming to be divinely inspired.

Also, because it was a trade language, and therefore Simplified. So the Hebrews, Pharasees, Syriacs, and Egyptians could talk to each other, so you run into the translation ambiguities like the famout Camel through the Eye of a Needle.

The problem is, the Aramaic word, (Ghamal) means the animal, the hair, and anything made from that hair. A rug, jacket, rope, thread, or yarn. So, for a merchant to get into heaven, is that Threading a needle, or putting a full sized Camel through?

When you talk to the merchant, you point. "Ghamal." At the camel, rug, spool, or shawl he's wearing.

"Yes, it is." It was never ment to be written as a religious text, and it wasn't.

It was Spoken, out loud. by Jesus, and then some of his deciples wrote it down after the fact.

The assumption by Antichristians is, because Christians claim X, and i can disprove X, ∴ There is no God.

First, you're trying to prove a negative, and for your next trick, try to divide by 0. Jesus said: "Don't Judge, or you will be judged."

Is that not a Rule of the Internet? Is it Rule #50?

The assumption that something is Not true, because Jesus said it, or a Christian said it is .

No wait, i think it was Rule #11. What were we talking about?

 

[Jesus Christ]

You know the worst part about being me? Worse than all the savioring and the forivenessing? My loincloth. It chafes. It scratches. I go through multiple bottles of baby powder a day and it's expensive. I owe the money changers so much dough that I'm gonna have to pull another "loaves" trick soon.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Yeah, Allah. You do realize, it's the same God, right? In the Words of Jesus Himself. When he spoke of God, on the Mount, and to the Apostles, he didn't say "God" in English. He said it in Aramaic.

A trade language for the region, at the time. Everyone spoke it, and whatever other language (Syriac, Hebrew, Anatolian, Pharasi, Cheme...) so they could trade for stuff like Frankensece, and Myrrh.

That's why Jesus spoke it on the Mount. The first church of the Pentecost was a mixed crowd, who all spoke Aramaic.

And in Aramaic, God is "Allah." That's where the modern Arabic, Turkish... Word came from, and when.

Christians are hated, because you ruin it for those of us who Know God, and follow the teaching of Christ Jesus. You have eyes, but do not see. Ears, but do not hear. You have the Word, but do not understand it.

So Satan comes, and snatches it from your hearts. That's why you're hated. You judge people, and therefore are judged. That's God's job. Damning people for God is Blasphemy.

It says it, right there in the bible. Love God, and your neighbor, as yourself. This is the foundation of all of the law, and the prophets.

If you can't do that, you can call yourselves christians, but you're not. Love, or burn in hell. That is the Word Jesus was born, and sacrificed to bring you. Love and forgiveness.

That's it.

The muslim god is not the same as the Biblical God. Their allah is not YHWH of the Bible. Yes, it is true that there is only one word for God in the Arabic language, but it's specifically pertaining to the islamic false god. It's possible that the muslims had something to do with stomping out any other word for God. Christians are the ones who know the true God. muslims know a false god. The Bible was written by the eyewitnesses who were actually there. The quran was written by some guy who lived hundreds of years later, took the bible and twisted it up to say what he wanted it to say and contradicts the actual eyewitnesses who were actually there. Think about it. Do you think that mohammad who lived hundreds of years later and wasn't even there, knows more than those who were actually there? The quran is a false book of lies and it's leading people to hell.

Christians are hated because they worship the true God. Jesus said they would be hated:

Jesus said:

Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John Writes:

1Jo 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

You say Christians are the ones judging people? You're judging Christians right now. Hypocrite. Christians just tell you what God's word says and it's convicts your heart of the truth and you don't like it.

Christians ARE being loving by telling the TRUTH. Lying to people and letting them go to hell is hateful. I am glad Christians are loving enough to tell the truth or I would be going to hell.

The Bible doesn't just talk about love and forgiveness, Jesus was HATED and His disciples were HATED because they spoke the truth of the word of God about SIN and their need for a Savior and what will happen if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord, believing in their heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for their sins. It's ALL in the Bible, not just the part of about love and forgiveness. And like I said, telling the truth IS love, but yes Christians not to think that they are better than anyone else, because we are all sinners, you and me. It's just that Christians are forgiven of their sins. You can be too if you want.

 

[colddiesel]

Well Xfrodo, you seem to have applied for the job of Heaven's Bouncer.

 

[psiberzerker]

The muslim god is not the same as the Biblical God. Their allah is not YHWH of the Bible. Yes, it is true that there is only one word for God in the Arabic language, but it's specifically pertaining to the islamic false god. It's possible that the muslims had something to do with stomping out any other word for God. Christians are the ones who know the true God. muslims know a false god.

These are assumptions. You're going to have to support them with something. You don't even have any scriptures to back it up, in response to quoted scriptures in my argument. You can't just say "Nu uh!"

The Bible was written by the eyewitnesses who were actually there. The quran was written by some guy who lived hundreds of years later, took the bible and twisted it up to say what he wanted it to say and contradicts the actual eyewitnesses who were actually there. Think about it. Do you think that mohammad who lived hundreds of years later and wasn't even there, knows more than those who were actually there? The quran is a false book of lies and it's leading people to hell.

No it wasn't. Mathew, Mark, and Luke were illiterate. They spoke the word of God, exactly as Jesus told them to. He even told them not to bring a staff, or change of clothes. Much less a pen, and paper, where were the pen, and paper throughout the Gospels? Read the gospels, all of them. Historically, they were written down first after being transferred by word of mouth, except for Paul's letters. (After Jesus was already dead, and risen.) He was literate, and wrote them in Latin. He also spoke Aramaic, because he was a Roman officer. In fact, that's how the Word was carried from Antioch to Rome. That's where he wrote the letters to the churches at Corinth, Thessalia...

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

Here, the word for hate is "Sinah" in Hebrew. They were Jews (Jesus, and Jaben) Jaben was literate in Hebrew, as a Rabbi. So, you picked the right gospel to claim it was written in his lifetime. However, in both quotes, they're talking about the Persecution of the Jews, as Jews. Not a prophecy that the Christians will be hated for being Christian. Because these were Jews talking about the persecution they face, (You also expurgated half of the conversation, the FAQs he was ansewring, which removed them from context.) And Jesus was there to deliver them from with the new Covenant.

You say Christians are the ones judging people? You're judging Christians right now. Hypocrite. Christians just tell you what God's word says and it's convicts your heart of the truth and you don't like it.

Yes, it says it right there. if you want to be judged, judge others. I am Christian. I am telling you what it says, not what "Christians" say in direct contradiction of the Word. So, argue with me, as a Christian and biblical scholar. Not an Atheist persecuting Christians. If you were truly Christian, you would follow the word of Jesus, without question, and that word is Love, not Hate. If a man strikes you, turn, and offer the other cheek that he may backhand you. Don;t return hate with hate. Even if they hate you, don't be tempted against the pat of light, love, truth, and forgiveness.

telling the truth IS love, but yes Christians not to think that they are better than anyone else, because we are all sinners, you and me.

And lie about sin. What did Jesus say about sin? Whom did he condemn to hell? He came to save us from sin, by offering Forgiveness. It's what he died for. Not lies. Not condemnation, not hate. Those are the tools of the devil. You don't get to heaven by condemning people to hell. That's not your job, we are here to love, and forgive.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Is Allah of Islam the same as Yahweh of Christianity?


http://www.ciu.edu/content/allah-islam-same-yahweh-christianity

 

[phrodeau]

Even after Eve sinned, God still loved her enough to make her an outfit.

If God loved you, He’d at least do your laundry once in a while.

 

[EyeStruggle]

It's odd to me that people hate someone so much that they say does not exist...?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

That alone if proof that there really is a God, especially when the Bible it's self said that the carnal mind is enmity (enemy) of God. And Jesus said that just as the world hated Him, they world would also hate His followers.

 

[colddiesel]

Is Allah of Islam the same as Yahweh of Christianity?


http://www.ciu.edu/content/allah-islam-same-yahweh-christianity

Poor old Xfrodo. This article is produced from Columbia College South Carolina. This institution claims it is a Grade 5 college; is there a grade 6? - doubtful.

Anyway neither Students nor Academics can gain admittance to this august institution without assenting to belief in the most absurd beliefs of fundamentalist Protestantism. The opinions it contains say that 'anyone who disagrees with us is wrong because our interpretation of the Bible says so.' But Xfrodo believes all this drivel so all one can do is pat the poor guy on the head and say "never mind - mebbe one day you'll learn to think."

Just to let other Christians off the hook a bit, Xfrodo and his ilk represent the opinions of about 1% of the worlds Christians.

 

[phrodeau]

That alone if proof that there really is a God, especially when the Bible it's self said that the carnal mind is enmity (enemy) of God. And Jesus said that just as the world hated Him, they world would also hate His followers.

Looks more like God hates His followers, since He hasn't even made them a pair of socks.

 

[RocketLauncher]

Looks more like God hates His followers, since He hasn't even made them a pair of socks.

He wasn't fond enough of Lillith to keep her around and all she did was say she preferred the cowgirl to the missionary position. Maybe she told this God character to do his own laundry, too. Either way, she didn't stick around.

I'll just drop this here:
If Satan didn't exist churches would be out of business.
- M. Manson


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