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[bellisarius]

Your truly heartwarming lack of acceptance of slavery notwithstanding, you simply have no knowledge of history in this regard.

I'm afraid you are the ignorant.

Slaves were of great fungible value as property, especially so after the passage of the Slave Trade Ban of 1807. The owner that physically brutalized their slaves was in effect committing economic suicide and they knew it. That is NOT to say that such brutalization did not occur, it is to say that it wasn't anywhere near as common as some historians would have you believe. The mental anguish associated with families being split up by the sale of a husband, wife, or child was brutal enough.

As an example of slave treatment, when Butler captured New Orleans for the Union he freed the slaves, an act that created all sorts of problems for Lincoln and the government. Two days after Butler's action the former slaves marched on his headquarters demanding food, shelter, clothing, and work. More that a few went back to their former 'masters' begging for their positions back and quite a few of those were told to go pack sand, "You're the Yankees problem now." I'm certain that the use of the word 'problem' was borne of some bitterness, but it is telling. Some former owners did 'hire' their slaves back, but at a less than subsistence wage. Overall, as poor as life under slavery was, the standard of living of the former slaves fell.............substantially so.

And the former owners learned a valuable lesson from emancipation. Although they had lost a great deal as far as net worth was concerned it cost them far less to 'pay' the former slaves to do the same work they formerly did. They no longer had to provide food, lodging, clothing, or medical, the upkeep they had previously been burdened with. Enter the era of Jim Crow and sharecropping.

 

[Hypoxia]

Thus if you haven't been enslaved, it's only because you are of no economic value to anyone. Got it.

 

[bellisarius]

Thus if you haven't been enslaved, it's only because you are of no economic value to anyone. Got it.

Or is it that you are of MORE economic value if you aren't enslaved? That's a discussion that can go either way.

It can be easily argued that the individuals 'value' is directly proportional to the productivity (profit) that the employer realizes from that individuals labor. It can also be argued that that individuals value is directly proportional to the education/experience the individual has as related to the employer's business. Business owners are not in the game to lose money. Those that are will soon find themselves out of business.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Another futile exercise in, "if you do not share my viewpoint, then you are the worst, want the worst and deserve the worst."

I got a lot of that the last two days. If you don't think the Iran deal was the best deal that we are ever going to get, then you want WAR!

 

[Hypoxia]

Another futile exercise in, "if you do not share my viewpoint, then you are the worst, want the worst and deserve the worst."

Do you support voluntary enslavement? Or only involuntary? What's your choice?

 

[WoundedKnee]

Since my comment had nothing to do with slavery in any way, shape or form but with your poor, even impolite, behavior, you really reenforce the point I just made.

 

[bellisarius]

Another futile exercise in, "if you do not share my viewpoint, then you are the worst, want the worst and deserve the worst."

I got a lot of that the last two days. If you don't think the Iran deal was the best deal that we are ever going to get, then you want WAR!

That mindset, binary, has really taken hold over the past 20 years. Do you think it's a cult thing?

 

[WoundedKnee]

That mindset, binary, has really taken hold over the past 20 years. Do you think it's a cult thing?

Yes. Being something bigger than yourself, sacrificing the self to a movement and ensuring that you are always in tune with the tribe. Eric Hoffer wrote a lot about mass movements and true believers that rings very true in this climate of hate.

 

[Hypoxia]

Since my comment had nothing to do with slavery in any way, shape or form but with your poor, even impolite, behavior, you really reenforce the point I just made.

Ducking the question by going Ad hominem. Noted.

 

[WoundedKnee]

You do not even know the definition of the words ad hominem.

 

[Sean]

You do not even know the definition of the words ad hominem.

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[bellisarius]

Yes. Being something bigger than yourself, sacrificing the self to a movement and ensuring that you are always in tune with the tribe. Eric Hoffer wrote a lot about mass movements and true believers that rings very true in this climate of hate.

Close enough. What I meant by binary is that the left tries to define everything in the terms of "for or against", "hate or love", the mere statement of a point of fact is dragged to one extreme of the emotional spectrum or another. History isn't an emotional thing, it just is, it happened. Acknowledging one component of slavery isn't an endorsement of another component, or the practice as a whole for that matter.

 

[WoundedKnee]

While at the same time basking in the knowledge that they are the nuanced, educated thinkers and those who oppose them are nothing more than uneducated black and white absolutists.

 

[bellisarius]

While at the same time basking in the knowledge that they are the nuanced, educated thinkers and those who oppose them are nothing more than uneducated black and white absolutists.

They never quite grasp the cognitive dissonance they display.

 

[Sean]

You do not even know the definition of the words ad hominem.

Close enough. What I meant by binary is that the left tries to define everything in the terms of "for or against", "hate or love", the mere statement of a point of fact is dragged to one extreme of the emotional spectrum or another. History isn't an emotional thing, it just is, it happened. Acknowledging one component of slavery isn't an endorsement of another component, or the practice as a whole for that matter.

They never quite grasp the cognitive dissonance they display.

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[WoundedKnee]

They never quite grasp the cognitive dissonance they display.

One of the great hallmarks of organized religion.

 

[Rightguide]

It's the same as today's vets and US citizens claiming how "they" won ww2 and everyone should thank them and respect them. When in fact very few real combat veterans, who actually fought for the right reasons, are still around. All these vietnam and iraq vets did nothing but help destabilize other countries/ regions.

Also, you are one stupid shit if you think it was better to be a slave than a free man who made a shitty wage. You gotta be dying soon, right? what are you...90?

You drowned when he took a shit this morning, turd.

 

[Hypoxia]

Any use of the null word 'liberals' renders the comment meaningless.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Another futile exercise in, "if you do not share my viewpoint, then you are the worst, want the worst and deserve the worst."

I got a lot of that the last two days. If you don't think the Iran deal was the best deal that we are ever going to get, then you want WAR!

The United States gave its word as a nation in the Iran deal, and now Trump wants to unilaterally renege on the deal to please his dwindling base, who of course want war now that they're too old to be drafted.

You, like Cadet Bonespurs, don't seem to know anything about keeping your word. Ask a Marine about personal honor and keeping your word.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

It's the same as today's vets and US citizens claiming how "they" won ww2 and everyone should thank them and respect them. When in fact very few real combat veterans, who actually fought for the right reasons, are still around. All these vietnam and iraq vets did nothing but help destabilize other countries/ regions.

Also, you are one stupid shit if you think it was better to be a slave than a free man who made a shitty wage. You gotta be dying soon, right? what are you...90?

In a previous thread about your right to demand service from a business*, I learned from Sean that there are "protected classes."
What The Fuck? Is he talking about the U.S., where we're all supposed to be equal under the eyes of the law?
Who are these "protected classes," and why do they rate more protection than me? What protection are we talking about?



*If you are a gay couple, you have a right to demand that a baker make and decorate your wedding cake, but only if the baker is Christian.
The above does not apply if one or both members of said gay couple are wearing a Make America Great Again hat or if the baker is Muslim.
If you aren't gay and are wearing a Make America Great Again hat, just fuck off. You can't even shop at Amazon.

The rwcj is out in full force...lmao

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[Rightguide]

The United States gave its word as a nation in the Iran deal, and now Trump wants to unilaterally renege on the deal to please his dwindling base, who of course want war now that they're too old to be drafted.

You, like Cadet Bonespurs, don't seem to know anything about keeping your word. Ask a Marine about personal honor and keeping your word.

In order for the "United States" to have given it's word, it would have had to be ratified by the United States Senate and not a secret deal by handful of conspirators who threw the law out the window in order to appease Islam.

 

[erostwo]

Me Oh My Oh

The problem with you is ... you got a dick and have to screw you in?

 

[Hypoxia]

The United States gave its word as a nation in the Iran deal, and now Trump wants to unilaterally renege on the deal to please his dwindling base, who of course want war now that they're too old to be drafted.

You, like Cadet Bonespurs, don't seem to know anything about keeping your word. Ask a Marine about personal honor and keeping your word.

Honor? Honesty? Now you're only taunting the socially retarded.

Tromp's petulance shows his America to be a paper tiger blown over the edge by winds of change. Sad.

(That's a metaphor.)

 

[Que]

In order for the "United States" to have given it's word, it would have had to be ratified by the United States Senate and not a secret deal by handful of conspirators who threw the law out the window in order to appease Islam.

Not to mention that if the previous POTUS was the unquestioned voice of authority to make such a deal on behalf of the US, the current one is equally empowered to speak for the US without any regard for what Rob's opinion is.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Not to mention that if the previous POTUS was the unquestioned voice of authority to make such a deal on behalf of the US, the current one is equally empowered to speak for the US without any regard for what Rob's opinion is.

Well played.