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[loquere]

 

[Rightguide]

You never do that, you just make racist generalizations about white people....because you're a basic ass spigot.

FYP...

 

[Aglaopheme]

She is, to be more correct, a Racialist.
She wants to use her skin color as a weapon.
She can then say the worst things about people she disagrees with.
When she senses any push-back or cogent counter argument, the she assumes the role of unassailable victim.

Clearly, she is also dong that with her gender-identification. *chuckle*

Kindly point to any post of hers where she play the “unassailable victim”.

I’ll wait.

 

[BotanyBoy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

(disclosure: I've yet to read the article)




You think it was good that Japan paid up a bit?

Are the victims and maybe their descendants owed?

$1650 for the life of a Korean sounds a bit cheap to me, even in 1951 dollars. That Korean could have been a loving devoted parent that could have given a child a good chance in life. That child was robbed by the Japanese: compensation might be in order.

Two things

1) that was international and based off an invasive occupation for known victims of an occupation. Not "fuck one racial demographic because 150 years ago shit was fucked up for another racial demographic." .

Major apples/oranges differences.

2) The Japanese should have told Korea to get fucked....It just couldn't because the US still had them by the balls because of reasons laid out in point 1 above.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

In a previous thread about your right to demand service from a business*, I learned from Sean that there are "protected classes."
What The Fuck? Is he talking about the U.S., where we're all supposed to be equal under the eyes of the law?
Who are these "protected classes," and why do they rate more protection than me? What protection are we talking about?



*If you are a gay couple, you have a right to demand that a baker make and decorate your wedding cake, but only if the baker is Christian.
The above does not apply if one or both members of said gay couple are wearing a Make America Great Again hat or if the baker is Muslim.
If you aren't gay and are wearing a Make America Great Again hat, just fuck off. You can't even shop at Amazon.

Anti-discrimination laws that single out specific protected classes (be it with respect to race, gender, religion or sexual preference) ALSO PROTECT YOU as a single, white, heterosexual male, Christian. You probably didn't need it, and although you may not be a member of a specifically identified protected class, nothing in the anti-discrimination statute takes anything AWAY FROM you. The 14th Amendment guarantees EQUAL PROTECTION of the law for everyone. Nothing about an anti-discrimination statute denies you any protection.

Feel better?

 

[mackiemack]

does it smell like dirty jew in here?

 

[DMBFFF]

Two things

1) that was international and based off an invasive occupation for known victims of an occupation. Not "fuck one racial demographic because 150 years ago shit was fucked up for another racial demographic." .

Major apples/oranges differences.

2) The Japanese should have told Korea to get fucked....It just couldn't because the US still had them by the balls because of reasons laid out in point 1 above.

A war that the Japanese started. Unless you know something I don't, Japan up and invaded Korea. Korea, and others, suffered—the victims of Japanese sex slavery among the most suffering. Japan must pay. Maybe not immediately as they had to recuperate, but they must pay.

Africans were abducted. Perhaps a million got dumped into the Atlantic. Millions more were forced to work. The capital their of labour paid for is rightfully at least partially theirs and their descendants. Americans and Canadians took 20 million square km of North America. The Aboriginals haven't been properly compensated.

As for Japanese, Japanese Americans and Canadians were treated badly by their countries. Fishing boats were seized—maybe justifiable given that they might be used to help the enemy. They were sold at auction and they were denied the proceeds—totally unjustifiable.



As for what the Japanese telling Korea to get fucked—that's kind of the issue.

It's also perhaps why to an extent some Koreans have been exploding nukes and lobbing ICBMs—Japanese militarism kind of made such sell-able.

 

[DMBFFF]

does it smell like dirty jew in here?

[size=+1]More like Nazi pig.

Go back to /pol/—and try not to mass-murder anyone.[/size]

 

[Hypoxia]

A war that the Japanese started. Unless you know something I don't...

I've read of some blaming US and UK for cutting-off Japan from oil supplies circa 1932 and thus triggering Japan's militaristic expansion but I'm not sure I buy that. I found What Sparked Japan's Aggression During World War II? which briefs, "Japan's actions from 1852 to 1945 were motivated by a deep desire to avoid the fate of 19th-century China and to become a great power." That sounds like Iran and Kim pushing nuke programs to avoid the fate of Saddam's Iraq.

Causes can be argued. Effects can be seen. Whatever motivated Japanese imperialism, the leaders made their choices, took their chances, and lost. Sucks to lose. Sucks to lose after devastating entire regions. Sucks to be punished for losing. If you're going to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity, you'd better win.

ObTopic: Folks don't seem to grok that protections work in many directions. Your "freedom of religion" hopefully prohibits a Federal Bureau of Religion and protects the people from religious oppression by church or state. Law protects us. Can historically-abused classes be protected by law, or must they protect their rights by gunfire?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

In a previous thread about your right to demand service from a business*, I learned from Sean that there are "protected classes."
What The Fuck? Is he talking about the U.S., where we're all supposed to be equal under the eyes of the law?
Who are these "protected classes," and why do they rate more protection than me? What protection are we talking about?



*If you are a gay couple, you have a right to demand that a baker make and decorate your wedding cake, but only if the baker is Christian.
The above does not apply if one or both members of said gay couple are wearing a Make America Great Again hat or if the baker is Muslim.
If you aren't gay and are wearing a Make America Great Again hat, just fuck off. You can't even shop at Amazon.

Oh, yeah, just one more thing. You're flat out wrong, and the above statement reveals your ignorance of this particular case and the facts. The Colorado anti-discriminatory statute DOES NOT protect against discrimination on the basis of religion. So, by omission, it allows it. Which is why the Muslim baker was allowed to deny an anti-religious message on a cake requested by an anti-Muslim Christian. The Christian baker would have been free to deny a similar message baked on a cake as requested by a Muslim, AND, had the gay couple in question approached the Muslim baker and had been denied, the Colorado law would have required the Muslim baker NOT to discriminate against a gay couple in the same way it is required of the Christian baker.

And the Muslim baker would have lost before the Supreme Court exactly as the Christian baker is going to.

The legal facts have not changed in this case, and the Colorado anti-discrimination statute applies to Muslim and Christian bakers alike in its application to services rendered to any and all protected classes.

Do better research next time.

 

[mackiemack]

[size=+1]More like Nazi pig.

Go back to /pol/—and try not to mass-murder anyone.[/size]

are u a dirty jew too?

 

[DMBFFF]

are u a dirty jew too?

If you are European, you probably have some Jewish in you.

 

[toeskr]

A owned a car. B stole it. Both died. B's son inheited the car. While B son is is blameless, A is owed the car.[/QUOTE]

So your father has children out of wedlock then he dies.

I'm sure you won't pay child support for them. You are blameless.

Like everyone else, you and the other children get your shit together and move on.

 

[mackiemack]

[Material prohibited per our forum guidelines.] - Last Warning

 

[mackiemack]

A owned a car. B stole it. Both died. B's son inheited the car. While B son is is blameless, A is owed the car.

So your father has children out of wedlock then he dies.

I'm sure you won't pay child support for them. You are blameless.

Like everyone else, you and the other children get your shit together and move on.[/QUOTE]
what are u babbling about?

 

[toeskr]

So your father has children out of wedlock then he dies.

I'm sure you won't pay child support for them. You are blameless.

Like everyone else, you and the other children get your shit together and move on.

what are u babbling about?[/QUOTE]

'Sup butt breath? Go back, read slowly and try to follow along. Adjust your helmet and pick up your crayons afterwards. Oh, and nice hearing from you, I was worried. "Babbling", seems to be a favorite word of yours but you are getting sloppy when replying as this alt. Don't want others to figure it out now do we?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Africans were abducted.

Mostly by other Africans.

Perhaps a million got dumped into the Atlantic.

By mostly the Dutch.

Millions more were forced to work.

Again, not an insignificant number by other Africans.

The capital their of labour paid for is rightfully at least partially theirs and their descendants.

According to who???

Who owes who for the sins of which great great great grand parent?

How far back are we going to chase injustices for reparations?

I mean my family goes from Korea all the way back to Mongolia...do I owe Chinese people for the horrors that Genghis Khan brought upon their people?

My moms family might have participated in the crusades...do I owe Arabs and Persians reparations?

How many generations back are we going to exactly? And is everyone today responsible for ALL the horrors of their racial demographic block/nationality/religious group going back to the beginning of recorded history or is it just white Christians??

Americans and Canadians took 20 million square km of North America. The Aboriginals haven't been properly compensated.

Define "properly compensated" ?? They were a conquered people many generations ago....they'll have to take their casinos and tax breaks, can't have it back.

 

[DMBFFF]

[Your most recent post, #67]

Africans were abducted.

Mostly by other Africans.

Yep, but the labour was on American (as in the Americas) soil.

Perhaps a million got dumped into the Atlantic.

By mostly the Dutch.

Truthfully I don't know, but I doubt English and possible American slave-ships where much better; and I suppose given the trade routes, by buying slaves from the Dutch or whomever, they supported the slave trade.

Millions more were forced to work.

Again, not an insignificant number by other Africans.

Most slave masters in the New World were white.

The capital their of labour paid for is rightfully at least partially theirs and their descendants.

According to who???

To me, if I can be so presumptuous. For instance, I think that Monticello belongs, at least partially, to the descendants of the slaves whose capital made its construction possible.

Who owes who for the sins of which great great great grand parent?

How far back are we going to chase injustices for reparations?

I don't know for sure. The further one goes back, the murkier it becomes; nor do we want to punish those who are good at record keeping, and don't destroy records. But given that slavery goes back less than two centuries and its magnitude was great, I'm not sure it can be easily dismissed as "Yeah, that was the past. Get over it. What I own is totally rightfully mine."

I mean my family goes from Korea all the way back to Mongolia...do I owe Chinese people for the horrors that Genghis Khan brought upon their people?

A lot of stuff happened over those centuries. I think it was his grandson (?) Kublai who conquered all of China. Let's say 2.5 (or 1.25 increase) surviving children per couple per generation 800 years divided by 25 years per generation x >5 million in Asia in the 13th century = about 6.31 billion. Given that today's Asia might be half that means there was a lot of incest, not so much sister-brother, mother-son, or father-daughter but distant cousins, say 8th or 18th.

Gheghis Khan might be one of your ancestors. Maybe mine to. Ditto members of the Sung and Ming dynasties.

My moms family might have participated in the crusades...do I owe Arabs and Persians reparations?

Her family might have a few Arab and Persian ancestors.

How many generations back are we going to exactly? And is everyone today responsible for ALL the horrors of their racial demographic block/nationality/religious group going back to the beginning of recorded history or is it just white Christians??

Good question.

Are the Kurds owe reparations for what Iraq, Iran, and Turkey has done? They are at least owed their own country/countries.

Are Armenians owed reparations for the genocide? They are at least owed the ability to talk about it openly in Turkey.

Are Ukrainians owed for the Holodomor? It might be partially the reason Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine.




Again, you make good points.

Americans and Canadians took 20 million square km of North America. The Aboriginals haven't been properly compensated.

Define "properly compensated" ?? They were a conquered people many generations ago....they'll have to take their casinos and tax breaks, can't have it back.

and what makes it harder for me is that I'm often listening to CBC Radio—somewhat like NPR or BBC, I suppose; and it's lots about "Indigenous" and "settlers."

But here goes.

I believe that some of the land was terra nulius. Some was definitely settled and possessed before white people came. A lot was in-between. Last year Canada had its 150th. Not too big a celebration and a lot of it was because Aboriginals—I call them Aboriginals—claimed that they were nations that existed long before there was a Canada—thousands of years. If I remember correctly, an MP ran into a shitstorm when he said that Aboriginals were immigrants too. No! They come from the land. We're all on a giant turtle and all of that.

No, the Cree nation doesn't go back 1000 years. France, UK, Germany, Italy, and Russia don't, or barely, go back 1000 years.

That said, here I am in Toronto, on land once held by the Wendat (i.e. Hurons), who mostly died off due to disease by French missionaries—the Black Robes. France surrenders Canada to the British, likely largely irrespective to what the Aboriginals wanted.

The Metis tried to start their own country but were crushed by McDonald.

So what if they're owed, if anything?

If they got $10 000 for every hectare of Toronto, that'd be $600 million.

If Aboriginals got $100 for every hectare of Canada, that'd be about $96 billion.
Our GDP is $1.7 trillion.

As it is, I think they pay taxes, save for booze, cigarettes, and gas on the reserves, much of which is sold contraband. As at least one Mohawk reserve crosses the Canada-US border, there is, or at least was, a fair amount of smuggling.

I understand Trump had a problem with Native casinos competing with his.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Most slave masters in the New World were white.

I don't know for sure. The further one goes back, the murkier it becomes; nor do we want to punish those who are good at record keeping, and don't destroy records. But given that slavery goes back less than two centuries and its magnitude was great, I'm not sure it can be easily dismissed as "Yeah, that was the past. Get over it. What I own is totally rightfully mine."

So what? That doesn't make white people today responsible...unless you're just racist as fuck, which you could be, but I'm not saying you are.

Why not? Unless you have a specific legal claim and the shit to back it up I don't see how you're going to do anymore than "that was the past" then you can about any other shitty thing done in the past.

Unless again you're just looking for an excuse to be racist as fuck.

Good question.

I think it's a bit of a silly one.

Actively punishing/persecuting entire racial demographic blocks based on historical atrocities is over the top racist and evil as fuck.

There is NOTHING good that I can see that will come of that.

I understand Trump had a problem with Native casinos competing with his.

Had...mostly because that's the least of his problems now LOL

 

[Amoebah]

Are snowflakes like Sean protected?

When he puts a lock on it, yes.

https://acco-product-images.s3.amazonaws.com/mbank295107_w1400_h1400.jpg

 

[bellisarius]

~snip~

I don't know for sure. The further one goes back, the murkier it becomes; nor do we want to punish those who are good at record keeping, and don't destroy records. But given that slavery goes back less than two centuries and its magnitude was great, I'm not sure it can be easily dismissed as "Yeah, that was the past. Get over it. What I own is totally rightfully mine."

~snip~

Good grief, slavery is as old as man kind and is STILL going on in parts of the world. Even here, still, if you consider the sex trade.

Not a single person alive to day in the US ever suffered slavery, and not that many left alive lived under Jim Crow for that matter. So the fact is that those that can't "get over it" never suffered it. That's a pretty fucking serious case of Hypochondria. And that probably accounts for the major reason that African blacks really want little to do with American blacks.

And one last little point re. your ignorant musings. The slaves were paid, not in wages per se, but in room, board, clothing, and medical care such as it existed back in the day. Damn poor compensation for being subjected to the indignities of slavery, but still a damn sight better than the Irish immigrant who might be paid a few pennies for a days hard labor at the time. You see, slaves had value. They could be used as collateral with a banker/money lender. The paid day worker had NO value whatsoever.

 

[Taint_mAnn]

Good grief, slavery is as old as man kind and is STILL going on in parts of the world. Even here, still, if you consider the sex trade.

Not a single person alive to day in the US ever suffered slavery, and not that many left alive lived under Jim Crow for that matter. So the fact is that those that can't "get over it" never suffered it. That's a pretty fucking serious case of Hypochondria. And that probably accounts for the major reason that African blacks really want little to do with American blacks.

And one last little point re. your ignorant musings. The slaves were paid, not in wages per se, but in room, board, clothing, and medical care such as it existed back in the day. Damn poor compensation for being subjected to the indignities of slavery, but still a damn sight better than the Irish immigrant who might be paid a few pennies for a days hard labor at the time. You see, slaves had value. They could be used as collateral with a banker/money lender. The paid day worker had NO value whatsoever.

It's the same as today's vets and US citizens claiming how "they" won ww2 and everyone should thank them and respect them. When in fact very few real combat veterans, who actually fought for the right reasons, are still around. All these vietnam and iraq vets did nothing but help destabilize other countries/ regions.

Also, you are one stupid shit if you think it was better to be a slave than a free man who made a shitty wage. You gotta be dying soon, right? what are you...90?

 

[Hypoxia]

The slaves were paid, not in wages per se, but in room, board, clothing, and medical care such as it existed back in the day. Damn poor compensation for being subjected to the indignities of slavery, but still a damn sight better than the Irish immigrant who might be paid a few pennies for a days hard labor at the time. You see, slaves had value. They could be used as collateral with a banker/money lender. The paid day worker had NO value whatsoever.

Ah, so you're okay with slavery. You won't mind being enslaved yourself, then. Good to know. Your new owners will be around in the morning. Don't bother to pack; you'll be stripped and deloused.

 

[bellisarius]

Ah, so you're okay with slavery. You won't mind being enslaved yourself, then. Good to know. Your new owners will be around in the morning. Don't bother to pack; you'll be stripped and deloused.

"So what your saying is...."

What are you, a fucking moron? Humans as chattel is an abomination. But the fact remains that as far as the basic requirements for life, slaves were better off than many others of that day, most especially newly arrived immigrants.

The mere recitation of an observation of the reality of a situation DOES NOT imply acceptance.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

"So what your saying is...."

What are you, a fucking moron? Humans as chattel is an abomination. But the fact remains that as far as the basic requirements for life, slaves were better off than many others of that day, most especially newly arrived immigrants.

The mere recitation of an observation of the reality of a situation DOES NOT imply acceptance.

Your truly heartwarming lack of acceptance of slavery notwithstanding, you simply have no knowledge of history in this regard.