The party's over: Republicans and Democrats are both finished

[TalkRadio]

It's why we have a Republican congressional leadership, headlined by a Senate Majority Leader with an 18 percent approval rating in his own home state, that could not deliver on its party's seven-year-long promises to repeal and replace Obamacare. And it's why the Democratic Party is getting more and more embarrassed as its highly-experienced-but-failed 2016 presidential nominee continues to weaken the brand by going on a national tour blaming everyone else for her election loss.

Now, Trump is continuing to exploit the breakdown of major party influence, pushing for conservative priorities like tax reform and a ban on immigrants from several Muslim countries tied to terrorism, even as he also makes deals with Democrats on the debt ceiling, DACA, and maybe even Obamacare.

We all know just how loudly and angrily the left has been reacting to President Trump in general. But in case there's any doubt about how the partisan right is responding to the Trump team's moves lately, there shouldn't be. They're infuriated. But there's also seems to be an understanding that there's little they can do about it.

These are uncharted waters for sure, but they may not lead to such bad results. After all, the partisan political structure in place for so long has brought us numerous wars, $20 trillion in debt and a government that's grown well beyond its usefulness. Love or hate it, it's time to face this new reality: The Democratic and the Republican parties as we know them are finished and the politicians, the people who give them money, and the people who cover them need to adjust accordingly.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/14/trumps-new-reality-republicans-and-democrats-are-both-finished.html

 

[jaF0]

I might be OK with that. I kinda hate the two party system and 'we gotta do what the party tells us to'.


"But there's also seems to be an understanding that there's little they can do about it."

But I disagree with that. They could have avoided the Fool altogether and they could throw the bum out. It's not that they can't, it's that they're too chickenshit to do it.

 

[Antryg_Windrose]

Have the two parties gone away yet? Let us know when they do, OK?

 

[WoundedKnee]

Roger L. Simon makes the case for the Democrat Party now having a nervous breakdown...

Late Friday night, WikiLeaks put it this way on Twitter:

The Democrats are suing @WikiLeaks and @JulianAssange for revealing how the DNC rigged the Democratic primaries. Help us counter-sue. We've never lost a publishing case and discovery is going to be amazing fun:​

Discovery amazing fun? I'm not sure anything could get through the dense skulls of the DNC's Tom Perez and Keith Ellison, but my guess is we're not going to have this amazing fun—not via a lawsuit anyway. The pushback against the DNC is already too great, even from a growing number of Democrats. I give this lawsuit a maximum shelf life of two weeks before we never hear of it again

They're salivating over the idea of discovering why the DNC would not turn their hacked server over to the FBI after they were compromised by the Russians, as they claimed at the time.

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/dnc-verge-nervous-breakdown-russia-lawsuit/

 

[WoundedKnee]

Someone else wrote this morning, that if the RNC is the Party of McCain, Comey and the Bush dynasty, then it is all hat and no cattle.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I might be OK with that. I kinda hate the two party system and 'we gotta do what the party tells us to'.


"But there's also seems to be an understanding that there's little they can do about it."

But I disagree with that. They could have avoided the Fool altogether and they could throw the bum out. It's not that they can't, it's that they're too chickenshit to do it.

Trump isn't the problem though.....not anymore than Obama was.

POTUS isn't a god King who gets whatever he wants whenever he wants it, they don't even get to write policy.

The problem is our congress, we send the same scum bags up there for 40 even 50 fucking years, lifetime careers on capital hill, wondering why no matter what POTUS we send up there NOTHING of significance gets done.

If the US electorate wants change they need to STOP re-electing all the McConnells and Pelosis up there term after term after term after term.

I was reading a .com last night that claimed if we put a 20 year term limit on congress critters? Almost 2/3 of congress would be ineligible for re-election this year.

 

[Rightguide]

I believe the Democrats are headed for disaster in November. When the implications of the Comey notes and other reports roll through the country, the intentions of the Obama holdovers and the Democrats in general will become known to the American people and reflected in the ballot box.

 

[HisArpy]

I believe the Democrats are headed for disaster in November. When the implications of the Comey notes and other reports roll through the country, the intentions of the Obama holdovers and the Democrats in general will become known to the American people and reflected in the ballot box.

Also, the optics are bad. The new lawsuit by the DNC shows that the D's have no message and no ideas and is just flailing for relevancy.

Yes, some individual candidates will win their respective races, but overall, I don't think the D's aren't going to win big in Nov. 2020 might be a different story if they can get viable candidates into position to run. Whomever those candidates might be, it won't be the current crop being bruited about right now (Booker, Harris, and the rest).

 

[Rightguide]

Also, the optics are bad. The new lawsuit by the DNC shows that the D's have no message and no ideas and is just flailing for relevancy.

Yes, some individual candidates will win their respective races, but overall, I don't think the D's aren't going to win big in Nov. 2020 might be a different story if they can get viable candidates into position to run. Whomever those candidates might be, it won't be the current crop being bruited about right now (Booker, Harris, and the rest).

I think some Republicans will lose their seats but I don't see former Republican voters buying into the new radical Democrat agenda just because somebody retires. Also, if this blue wave is truly coming as the left likes to claim how come it isn't reflected in Trump's numbers which are still hovering around 50%.

The old saying that politics are local couldn't be more true when it comes to congressional races and just the fact the Democrats are defending three times the number of senate seats than Republicans doesn't bode well in November, especially in the present atmosphere.

America loves a fighter and an underdog, Trump has been both and he's still standing after the most unprecedented media/deep state conspiracy to attack a duly elected President and the will of the American people who put him there. This unmitigated failure, I predict, will not go unanswered by American voters.

 

[DMBFFF]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...resentatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png



Trump's hardly an underdog. Party maverick, maybe: not an underdog.

He is a polarizer.

I admit it. I predicted a Clinton victory and yes, I regarded, and regard, her as the lesser evil. Much of my anger was self-directed: where did I err in my predictions? (I predicted 1996, 2004, 2008, and 2012 correctly.)

(Not that I like Trump, or some of his supporters—as per some of my antics here in GB.)

I figure my error, perhaps in addition to not gauging American sentiment correctly, was that in the past 38 years, generally each party switches the White House to the other every 8 years: Obama had his 8, 2016 was going to be a Republican year whether I liked it or not. I expected Clinton to lose to a decently seasoned GOPer, though not to Trump.

I predict that the hatred of Trump, and by extension the GOP party, by the Left and those tending, will help the Democrat incumbents to keep their seats and November will end with a Democrat Congress—maybe both Houses.

While I don't have proof—I'll have to spend time with WP—it seems midterms favour the other party.

According to the above chart (if I got it right), colours of the House and WH match 12 of 38 years, and 16 years for the Senate, and all re-elected incumbent presidents got swings to the other party by Congress.


FWIW, I predict.

a. Congress going Democrat, though not as overwhelming as they figure.
b. Trump not being impeached: this would require boldness (and perhaps an obvious mean-spiritness—such as the Dems suing Wikileaks).
c. Trump getting stalled by Congress and possibly replaced by another GOP—likely Pence.
d. Come 2024, a Democrat will be elected president: probably someone who, like Obama, Clinton, and Carter, +95% of Americans never heard of until less than two years he, or she, is elected.
e. A few years after that, GOPers will spur Trump like they have Reagan or Bush. Few will admit they voted for him.

Back in the 20th century, I hoped and anticipated an end of bi-partisan politics—at least a rise of alternatives. Neither has happened (notwithstanding Johnson over tripling the Libertarian pres candidate score). Ross Perot is looking better these days.

America—indeed, most OECD countries—continue to grow and do well. The environment's hurting, but I think great big disasters in the next few decades will be averted, though—in my view—the world will environmentally be less pretty. There will be trees, just not as big. The complexion of America will get a little bit darker, and by 2024, there will be more Mexicans than in 2016.

 

[Rightguide]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...resentatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png



Trump's hardly an underdog. Party maverick, maybe: not an underdog.

He is a polarizer.

I admit it. I predicted a Clinton victory and yes, I regarded, and regard, her as the lesser evil. Much of my anger was self-directed: where did I err in my predictions? (I predicted 1996, 2004, 2008, and 2012 correctly.)

(Not that I like Trump, or some of his supporters—as per some of my antics here in GB.)

I figure my error, perhaps in addition to not gauging American sentiment correctly, was that in the past 38 years, generally each party switches the White House to the other every 8 years: Obama had his 8, 2016 was going to be a Republican year whether I liked it or not. I expected Clinton to lose to a decently seasoned GOPer, though not to Trump.

I predict that the hatred of Trump, and by extension the GOP party, by the Left and those tending, will help the Democrat incumbents to keep their seats and November will end with a Democrat Congress—maybe both Houses.

While I don't have proof—I'll have to spend time with WP—it seems midterms favour the other party.

According to the above chart (if I got it right), colours of the House and WH match 12 of 38 years, and 16 years for the Senate, and all re-elected incumbent presidents got swings to the other party by Congress.


FWIW, I predict.

a. Congress going Democrat, though not as overwhelming as they figure.
b. Trump not being impeached: this would require boldness (and perhaps an obvious mean-spiritness—such as the Dems suing Wikileaks).
c. Trump getting stalled by Congress and possibly replaced by another GOP—likely Pence.
d. Come 2024, a Democrat will be elected president: probably someone who, like Obama, Clinton, and Carter, +95% of Americans never heard of until less than two years he, or she, is elected.
e. A few years after that, GOPers will spur Trump like they have Reagan or Bush. Few will admit they voted for him.

Back in the 20th century, I hoped and anticipated an end of bi-partisan politics—at least a rise of alternatives. Neither has happened (notwithstanding Johnson over tripling the Libertarian pres candidate score). Ross Perot is looking better these days.

America—indeed, most OECD countries—continue to grow and do well. The environment's hurting, but I think great big disasters in the next few decades will be averted, though—in my view—the world will environmentally be less pretty. There will be trees, just not as big. The complexion of America will get a little bit darker, and by 2024, there will be more Mexicans than in 2016.

The great polarizer was Obama, he and his apologists gave us Trump.

 

[DMBFFF]

The great polarizer was Obama, he and his apologists gave us Trump.

His blackness being the most polarizing part.

 

[HisArpy]

Trump's hardly an underdog. Party maverick, maybe: not an underdog.

He is a polarizer.

I admit it. I predicted a Clinton victory and yes, I regarded, and regard, her as the lesser evil. Much of my anger was self-directed: where did I err in my predictions? (I predicted 1996, 2004, 2008, and 2012 correctly.)

(Not that I like Trump, or some of his supporters—as per some of my antics here in GB.)

I figure my error, perhaps in addition to not gauging American sentiment correctly, was that in the past 38 years, generally each party switches the White House to the other every 8 years: Obama had his 8, 2016 was going to be a Republican year whether I liked it or not. I expected Clinton to lose to a decently seasoned GOPer, though not to Trump.

I predict that the hatred of Trump, and by extension the GOP party, by the Left and those tending, will help the Democrat incumbents to keep their seats and November will end with a Democrat Congress—maybe both Houses.

While I don't have proof—I'll have to spend time with WP—it seems midterms favour the other party.

According to the above chart (if I got it right), colours of the House and WH match 12 of 38 years, and 16 years for the Senate, and all re-elected incumbent presidents got swings to the other party by Congress.


FWIW, I predict.

a. Congress going Democrat, though not as overwhelming as they figure.
b. Trump not being impeached: this would require boldness (and perhaps an obvious mean-spiritness—such as the Dems suing Wikileaks).
c. Trump getting stalled by Congress and possibly replaced by another GOP—likely Pence.
d. Come 2024, a Democrat will be elected president: probably someone who, like Obama, Clinton, and Carter, +95% of Americans never heard of until less than two years he, or she, is elected.
e. A few years after that, GOPers will spur Trump like they have Reagan or Bush. Few will admit they voted for him.

Back in the 20th century, I hoped and anticipated an end of bi-partisan politics—at least a rise of alternatives. Neither has happened (notwithstanding Johnson over tripling the Libertarian pres candidate score). Ross Perot is looking better these days.

America—indeed, most OECD countries—continue to grow and do well. The environment's hurting, but I think great big disasters in the next few decades will be averted, though—in my view—the world will environmentally be less pretty. There will be trees, just not as big. The complexion of America will get a little bit darker, and by 2024, there will be more Mexicans than in 2016.

The chart is interesting for the correlation to history. Notice that the long Democratic majorities were during war years? I have no idea what that means, just that the correlation is interesting.

As for your prediction, I doubt that R's will snub Trump's presidency in the future. For one thing, you said that this is what they do for Reagan - except they don't. I believe that your worldview colors your analysis to the point that your "predictions" aren't viable.

Fun fact there are more trees in America today than there were 100 years ago.

US forest growth

 

[DMBFFF]

Note: A few more posts and I'm out for a while, but I will be back.



First off, thanks for linking to a decent page.

The chart is interesting for the correlation to history. Notice that the long Democratic majorities were during war years? I have no idea what that means, just that the correlation is interesting.

It is indeed.

As for your prediction, I doubt that R's will snub Trump's presidency in the future. For one thing, you said that this is what they do for Reagan - except they don't.

Why wasn't he at the funeral—too much time tweeting or playing golf?

I believe that your worldview colors your analysis to the point that your "predictions" aren't viable.

We'll start knowing in a few months. I made 3 more errors these past 2 years. I predicted a Clinton victory. I also predicted Roy Moore and Stephen Harper would win—not that I relished either prospect.

FWIW, I predict the Trumpian Doug Ford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Ford_Jr.)—brother of Rob—beating Clintonesque Kathleen Wynne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Wynne) this June.

Yeah, my worldview—that lots of political stupidity exists—colours my analysis.

Fun fact there are more trees in America today than there were 100 years ago.

US forest growth

Yeah, I read similar years ago. Limbaugh, I think, harped a fair amount about it.

Again, thanks for a thread with no pop-ups, doesn't take several minutes to d/l, and with more than a paragraph or two.


With me bolding some of the text:

The increase in trees is due to a number of factors, including conservation and preservation of national parks, responsible tree growing within plantations — which have been planting more trees than they harvest — and the movement of the majority of the population from rural areas to more densely populated areas, such as cities and suburbs. Tree planting efforts that started in the 1950s are paying off, and there is more public awareness about the importance of trees and forests. Finally, 63 percent of the forest land in the United States is privately owned, and many landowners are leaving their land intact instead of using it for agriculture or logging (at least partially because many of these activities have shifted overseas).

More parks, tree-hugging, and importing logs and related goods.

Quantity over quality?

The average age of forests in the United States is younger than it was before European settlement. The greatest diversity is found in the oldest forests, so there may be more forest now, but because it is so young, it is home for fewer animals, plants, insects and other organisms than a fully developed, mature forest ecosystem. It also means that protecting old growth forests is imperative.

a sapling ≠ a +100 year-old tree


Again, no great disasters in the next few decades, just less attractive.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

I'm here for the hot dogs & coleslaw. If anyone needs me and wants to argue about something meaningful, I'll be out by the pool. Pls bring your own water ballons.

 

[phrodeau]

220 million trees were planted between 1935 and 1942 to create shelter belts and windbreaks to replace the native grasses that were mowed down in the name of agriculture, and that created the Dust Bowl.

 

[Rightguide]

His blackness being the most polarizing part.

No, his white side was just as responsible for his totalitarian division of the American people. He had a lot of white domestic enemies helping him too.

 

[Hypoxia]

220 million trees were planted between 1935 and 1942 to create shelter belts and windbreaks to replace the native grasses that were mowed down in the name of agriculture, and that created the Dust Bowl.

"Plant Republicans, not trees"
--anon.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

220 million trees were planted between 1935 and 1942 to create shelter belts and windbreaks to replace the native grasses that were mowed down in the name of agriculture, and that created the Dust Bowl.

Finally! Someone's talking my language. I really like those Bowl games when it comes to football.

 

[Hypoxia]

Finally! Someone's talking my language. I really like those Bowl games when it comes to football.

Rewrite the Woody Guthrie song so it's ORANGE BOWL REFUGEE.

 

[DMBFFF]

(my bold)

FWIW, I predict.

a. Congress going Democrat, though not as overwhelming as they figure.
b. Trump not being impeached: this would require boldness (and perhaps an obvious mean-spiritness—such as the Dems suing Wikileaks).
c. Trump getting stalled by Congress and possibly replaced by another GOP—likely Pence.
d. Come 2024, a Democrat will be elected president: probably someone who, like Obama, Clinton, and Carter, +95% of Americans never heard of until less than two years he, or she, is elected.
e. A few years after that, GOPers will spur Trump like they have Reagan or Bush. Few will admit they voted for him.

 

[mAnn_Tagonist]

I believe the Democrats are headed for disaster in November. When the implications of the Comey notes and other reports roll through the country, the intentions of the Obama holdovers and the Democrats in general will become known to the American people and reflected in the ballot box.

hmm, you were wrong. Go figure.

 

[Kirkrapine]

. .. Democrat Party . . .

You do realize that's a phrase only idiots use?

 

[schism666]

I believe the Democrats are headed for disaster in November. When the implications of the Comey notes and other reports roll through the country, the intentions of the Obama holdovers and the Democrats in general will become known to the American people and reflected in the ballot box.

Also, the optics are bad. The new lawsuit by the DNC shows that the D's have no message and no ideas and is just flailing for relevancy.

Yes, some individual candidates will win their respective races, but overall, I don't think the D's aren't going to win big in Nov. 2020 might be a different story if they can get viable candidates into position to run. Whomever those candidates might be, it won't be the current crop being bruited about right now (Booker, Harris, and the rest).

I think some Republicans will lose their seats but I don't see former Republican voters buying into the new radical Democrat agenda just because somebody retires. Also, if this blue wave is truly coming as the left likes to claim how come it isn't reflected in Trump's numbers which are still hovering around 50%.

The old saying that politics are local couldn't be more true when it comes to congressional races and just the fact the Democrats are defending three times the number of senate seats than Republicans doesn't bode well in November, especially in the present atmosphere.

America loves a fighter and an underdog, Trump has been both and he's still standing after the most unprecedented media/deep state conspiracy to attack a duly elected President and the will of the American people who put him there. This unmitigated failure, I predict, will not go unanswered by American voters.

good prognostication!

 

[BotanyBoy]

His blackness being the most polarizing part.

The left just can't imagine a world where maybe.....just maybe.....people weren't the biggest fans of racialized marxist bullshit from authoritarian assholes posing as "liberals".

Nahhh.......everyone is totally as desperate to have all their shit taken and sent to be slaved to death by the god state as Kirk and CarnalFlower.

Everything is about race and gender, god forbid the horrible brand of politics these scum bags push EVER be questioned.