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schism666 said:
you brought up 1800's slave owners in rebuttal to abortion talk in an nra thread and you're asking ME what's MY point? laters.
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You fail to distinguish between owning slaves as a right to terminate (or beat and abuse them) as being any different than a woman’s ownership of the child she carries, probably because there IS no significant difference
 
coachdb18 said:
You fail to distinguish between owning slaves as a right to terminate (or beat and abuse them) as being any different than a woman’s ownership of the child she carries, probably because there IS no significant difference
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ok you're fucking with me. well done :D
 
schism666 said:
ok you're fucking with me. well done :D
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If that’s how you consciously partition out the evil in your brain, and justify continuing the behaviors that are unjustifiable by other means, so be it. That technique works for serial killers, too.
 
schism666 said:
guess which lawyer just had to drop a case against buzzfeed due to their factual reporting? yes, that's correct, trump's guy.



still can't think of anything to contribute?



can the mass of tissue feed itself or live without the woman? no? good, then we agree that it's not murder.
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How long would that mass of tissue live outside the womb if left to feed itself?
Your point cannot possibly be valid.

The lawsuits were dropped not because Buzzfeed did not print manufactured news, they did. The lawsuits were pulled to prevent opposition discovery.
 
bellisarius said:
I'm sorry, it's their body. Are they incapable of saying "No." And if its force, isn't that rape?

Assigning blame to one party or the other does little to solve the problem. And stigmatizing the parties involved, including the child, is no longer possible in today's social environment. But pointing out that it's the path to financial devastation for all parties involved might work.
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Exact parallel to blaming the gun and the NRA.
 
WoundedKnee said:
Back to the tried and true argument that men have no voice in the issue.
It as invalid as your previous point.
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men have a voice in this and every "women's health" issue, they just don't get final say over what a woman gets to do with her own body that doesn't belong to anyone but her.
 
BotanyBoy said:
Never said anyone was.

And asking you to back up your bullshit isn't psychotic ramblings just because you can't. ;)
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it's really simple so i can understand why you're so confused. i do not believe politicians should be allowed to take corporate money from any corporation or lobbyist.
 
schism666 said:
it's really simple so i can understand why you're so confused. i do not believe politicians should be allowed to take corporate money from any corporation or lobbyist.
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I'm not confused and that's very different from what you said.....

schism666 said:
the NRA should have nothing to do with politics.
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And still anti-free speech :)

Still bringing your support for 2A rights into question.....do you support any gun bans or restrictions through taxation?
 
schism666 said:
men have a voice in this and every "women's health" issue, they just don't get final say over what a woman gets to do with her own body that doesn't belong to anyone but her.
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Only gun owners have a voice in the NRA.
 
schism666 said:
it's really simple so i can understand why you're so confused. i do not believe politicians should be allowed to take corporate money from any corporation or lobbyist.
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But unions and Planned Parenthood are okay. Check. Got that. Don't let the regulated industries have a say in anything because you judge them bad but subjectively decide that the organizations you feel do good, should be allowed to lobby. Beautiful logic. I guess people who reject your logic are bad too and therefore should take no part in the conversation?
At the same time, do you then consider yourself as a champion of free speech?
 
Until 1967 the NRA DIDN'T have anything to do with politics. They began to fight back against the liberals attempts to nullify the 2nd amendment via legislation.
 
Premature babies, by your definition, are not viable. Should we kill them? or are they suddenly not just a mass of tissue in a womb? How far will you go to play God?
 
thehaircutgirl said:
by saying that, you infer only we (vagina owners) should have a voice in women's health
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No, I am countering the invalidity of that very argument. That is an emotional argument, not a rational argument. It is an argument that says any woman can take part in the discussion as well as any man who is pro-abortion, but any man who has some moral or philosophical (as well as logical) argument has to shut up.
Whether, or not, I can get pregnant has no bearing on the subject and the continued cry of don't tell me what to do with my body is an irrational one.
For example, we still have a draft in which young men can be rounded up and sent to war where bodily harm, even death can come to them. Would it them be fair to make the demand that women shut up about war because they are exempted from it? Maybe women in Congress should not so much as be allowed to vote unless they have bonafide combat experience?
It's not about telling a woman what she can, or cannot do with her body, it is about who we are as a people.
 
WoundedKnee said:
No, I am countering the invalidity of that very argument. That is an emotional argument, not a rational argument. It is an argument that says any woman can take part in the discussion as well as any man who is pro-abortion, but any man who has some moral or philosophical (as well as logical) argument has to shut up.
Whether, or not, I can get pregnant has no bearing on the subject and the continued cry of don't tell me what to do with my body is an irrational one.
For example, we still have a draft in which young men can be rounded up and sent to war where bodily harm, even death can come to them. Would it them be fair to make the demand that women shut up about war because they are exempted from it? Maybe women in Congress should not so much as be allowed to vote unless they have bonafide combat experience?
It's not about telling a woman what she can, or cannot do with her body, it is about who we are as a people.
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and we are a people of freedom of choice and that includes whether or not women choose to abort or not.
 
Oh, that freedom is only applied selectively and subjectively; Objectivity need not apply.
I mean, one of the points of the OP is that gun owners should not be free to address their government over their absolute right to self-defense.
It has devolved into this childish mish-mash of people who have guns are inherently bad and a danger to school children while the woman who aborts a baby is everything good about a free people who have the freedom to make choices. And buddy boy, if you don't believe that then you're as bad as the NRA!
;)
 
thehaircutgirl said:
and we are a people of freedom of choice and that includes whether or not women choose to abort or not.
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This is a very different argument from the one that says that men can't even talk about it.

When you apply this argument to the NRA it becomes one in which only certain lobbying groups can engage in free speech.
 
What's needed is a bill that includes both gun control and limits to abortions.
 
BotanyBoy said:
I'm not confused and that's very different from what you said.....
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It's an evolving argument. Or rather, a REvolving argument because next it will attempt to avoid moving forward and instead circle back to earlier points that have already been defeated.
 
No idea that is firmly held is ever defeated in the eyes of the holder.
That's just basic human nature.
 
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