Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[WandaGrabowski]

Well you won't plant a flag in what it is you believe after asking repeatedly....so we're left to assume.



Who said anything about needing maximum fire power?

Semi-automatic rifles aren't even close to that....



If the threat isn't real then explain all the violent crime in the world.

3 times in the US, few dozen times in the middle east/N. Africa.


Why can't you answer the question and say if you think armament for self defense is a rational reason to arm yourself or not?

Why? Because I never said that. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[coachdb18]

One of the reason that I don't take any of you gun boys seriously in any discussion is that you immediately tell me and anyone else who asks you a question what we believe and what we're trying to do.

Back to my question, why are so afraid that you feel the need for maximum fire power in a civilized country without a civil war? How many times have you found the perceived threat to be real and you needed your guns to save your life?

To ask the question 'why does anyone need an assault rifle', that's like asking the question 'which of your children do you want me to shoot'.

The left has always been, first and foremost, control freaks. They've brought us subservience to government in the form of Socialist Security (a tax that we HAVE to pay with the threat of jailtime), Obamacare (a tax that we have to pay with the threat of a weaponized IRS penalties), the left brought us prohibition (the eighteenth amendment), the income tax (the left LOVES taxes, especially as a 'social justice tool, not just for the purpose of monetary needs)..... the list of abuses is endless. And now, the left's cause du jour is gun confiscation and again, prohibition of them. And the left supported slavery in the days it was legal, making use of free labor, much as it does now by the newer form of slavery, illegal immigration.

My disdain for the left is genuine, and there is nothing I trust the 'progressive' mind not to attempt at the expense of humanity. The Berlin wall was a physical act of aggression towards people, while the most egregious acts of late have been through changes in the law. Once again, the left rattles the saber of legal changes to force its will on freedom.

Their racist history and hatred of blacks is well documented in the persons of Josephus Daniels and his closest friend and associate FDR, and their involvement in the Wilmington Race Riot of 1898. For America, injustices in the institution of the Jim Crow laws, and for the rise of the KKK were direct outcomes of 'progressive' ideas put into practice.

You can read about the race riot and News and Observer apologies for its involvement in this tragic low point in American history in the following link... I doubt many liberals care though.

www.history.ncdcr.gov/1898-wrrc/report/front-matter.pdf

 

[KimGordon67]

To ask the question 'why does anyone need an assault rifle', that's like asking the question 'which of your children do you want me to shoot'.

The left has always been, first and foremost, control freaks. They've brought us subservience to government in the form of Socialist Security (a tax that we HAVE to pay with the threat of jailtime), Obamacare (a tax that we have to pay with the threat of a weaponized IRS penalties), the left brought us prohibition (the eighteenth amendment), the income tax (the left LOVES taxes, especially as a 'social justice tool, not just for the purpose of monetary needs)..... the list of abuses is endless. And now, the left's cause du jour is gun confiscation and again, prohibition of them. And the left supported slavery in the days it was legal, making use of free labor, much as it does now by the newer form of slavery, illegal immigration.

My disdain for the left is genuine, and there is nothing I trust the 'progressive' mind not to attempt at the expense of humanity. The Berlin wall was a physical act of aggression towards people, while the most egregious acts of late have been through changes in the law. Once again, the left rattles the saber of legal changes to force its will on freedom.

Their racist history and hatred of blacks is well documented in the persons of Josephus Daniels and his closest friend and associate FDR, and their involvement in the Wilmington Race Riot of 1898. For America, injustices in the institution of the Jim Crow laws, and for the rise of the KKK were direct outcomes of 'progressive' ideas put into practice.


You can read about

Once again Coach demonstrates that he can't tell the different between the 21st and the 18th centuries.

 

[WandaGrabowski]

To ask the question 'why does anyone need an assault rifle', that's like asking the question 'which of your children do you want me to shoot'.

The left has always been, first and foremost, control freaks. They've brought us subservience to government in the form of Socialist Security (a tax that we HAVE to pay with the threat of jailtime), Obamacare (a tax that we have to pay with the threat of a weaponized IRS penalties), the left brought us prohibition (the eighteenth amendment), the income tax (the left LOVES taxes, especially as a 'social justice tool, not just for the purpose of monetary needs)..... the list of abuses is endless. And now, the left's cause du jour is gun confiscation and again, prohibition of them. And the left supported slavery in the days it was legal, making use of free labor, much as it does now by the newer form of slavery, illegal immigration.

My disdain for the left is genuine, and there is nothing I trust the 'progressive' mind not to attempt at the expense of humanity. The Berlin wall was a physical act of aggression towards people, while the most egregious acts of late have been through changes in the law. Once again, the left rattles the saber of legal changes to force its will on freedom.

Their racist history and hatred of blacks is well documented in the persons of Josephus Daniels and his closest friend and associate FDR, and their involvement in the Wilmington Race Riot of 1898. For America, injustices in the institution of the Jim Crow laws, and for the rise of the KKK were direct outcomes of 'progressive' ideas put into practice.

You can read about the race riot and News and Observer apologies for its involvement in this tragic low point in American history in the following link... I doubt many liberals care though.

www.history.ncdcr.gov/1898-wrrc/report/front-matter.pdf

I didn't ask who needs an assault rifle, that was the op.

 

[coachdb18]

Back to my question, why are so afraid that you feel the need for maximum fire power in a civilized country without a civil war?

In case the history of the United States is not something you're familiar with, we DID have a Civil War. In the aftermath of that war, Progressives found it necessary to stage a coup d'état, making blacks subservient once again, this time by Jim Crow laws.. and the direct connection between the 1898 riot and today is a seamless thread... Josephus Daniels, FDR, Lyndon Johnson and his infamous 'we'll have those niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years' quote....

America has the façade of a being a civil country, however the reality is that the acts of suppression by Progressives have led to the impoverished state of blacks, which now forms the basis of crime in our inner cities and forms the very base of Democratic politics to and of this day.

Fact is, in America today, the crime is high because of the past, but crime is a reality we have to deal with NOW. Fact is, Democratic policies led us to the point where we NEED to be able to defend ourselves, and the ten minute wait for a cop is just too long.

 

[gunthernehmen]

I don't recall any Brit describing the UK as either 'perfect' nor 'crime free'. If you want to have an intelligent debate, maybe avoid the hyperbole. It doesn't make your arguments any stronger, and just comes across as a bit silly.

Don't relax TOO much:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

You may be aware that one CAN buy guns in the UK, such as the Ruger 10/22 Assault Rifle, the Bennelli M4 Assault Shotgun... and so on.

You should take Wanda's advice and move somewhere SAFE, like Hawaii, where 45% of the population owns a gun and the gun homicide rate is the lowest in the US

Oddly, Delaware, with the lowest rate of gun ownership is competing with DC for one of the higher homicide rates...

How can this be?

 

[gunthernehmen]

I have a fairly longstanding thing with Coach, which includes his frequent inability to read a simple table. So in part, yes.

Ah. I did not realize you two were a couple. I have to guess there's some real love there with such opposite viewpoints.

 

[KimGordon67]

Don't relax TOO much:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

You may be aware that one CAN buy guns in the UK, such as the Ruger 10/22 Assault Rifle, the Bennelli M4 Assault Shotgun... and so on.

You should take Wanda's advice and move somewhere SAFE, like Hawaii, where 45% of the population owns a gun and the gun homicide rate is the lowest in the US

Oddly, Delaware, with the lowest rate of gun ownership is competing with DC for one of the higher homicide rates...

How can this be?

Actually, I already live somewhere where both our gun ownership rates AND our homicide rates are pretty much 20% of yours. So I'm good, but thanks for caring.

 

[KimGordon67]

Ah. I did not realize you two were a couple. I have to guess there's some real love there with such opposite viewpoints.

lmao ... while I'm into rough sex, his offer to break my arm doesn't really fall into that category. 'Thing' is a pretty nebulous term - in this instance, it very definitely doesn't mean what you think it means. In fact, he can't actually see anything I write (or he SAYS he can't).

Also, I don't find 'Mensa membership' even slightly arousing.

 

[coachdb18]

Don't relax TOO much:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

You may be aware that one CAN buy guns in the UK, such as the Ruger 10/22 Assault Rifle, the Bennelli M4 Assault Shotgun... and so on.

You should take Wanda's advice and move somewhere SAFE, like Hawaii, where 45% of the population owns a gun and the gun homicide rate is the lowest in the US

Oddly, Delaware, with the lowest rate of gun ownership is competing with DC for one of the higher homicide rates...

How can this be?

DC is notoriously a 'gun free zone', with the highest of crime rates in the nation. California, proudly flaunting the Constitution and openly hostile to the US Constitution, has a real 'death by gun' problem, as was recently demonstrated in their recent mass murder in San Bernardino.

 

[coachdb18]

Ah. I did not realize you two were a couple. I have to guess there's some real love there with such opposite viewpoints.

I've got her on ignore, and she's constantly following me around I guess. Maybe there's unrequited love for me on her behalf, I wish to never speak of, much less hear from her or respond to her, ever again.

 

[WandaGrabowski]

In case the history of the United States is not something you're familiar with, we DID have a Civil War. In the aftermath of that war, Progressives found it necessary to stage a coup d'état, making blacks subservient once again, this time by Jim Crow laws.. and the direct connection between the 1898 riot and today is a seamless thread... Josephus Daniels, FDR, Lyndon Johnson and his infamous 'we'll have those niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years' quote....

America has the façade of a being a civil country, however the reality is that the acts of suppression by Progressives have led to the impoverished state of blacks, which now forms the basis of crime in our inner cities and forms the very base of Democratic politics to and of this day.

Fact is, in America today, the crime is high because of the past, but crime is a reality we have to deal with NOW. Fact is, Democratic policies led us to the point where we NEED to be able to defend ourselves, and the ten minute wait for a cop is just too long.

Are you saying that you need guns because of black people? It sounds like you're afraid of black people. Are you afraid of black people?

 

[KimGordon67]

I've got her on ignore, and she's constantly following me around I guess. Maybe there's unrequited love for me on her behalf, I wish to never speak of, much less hear from her or respond to her, ever again.

That's TOO funny ... because being on the GB = 'following Coach around'. By that definition, BotanyBoy is totally besotted with you.

 

[gunthernehmen]

lmao ... while I'm into rough sex, his offer to break my arm doesn't really fall into that category. 'Thing' is a pretty nebulous term - in this instance, it very definitely doesn't mean what you think it means. In fact, he can't actually see anything I write (or he SAYS he can't).

Well that makes more sense, I guess.

As for places to live, I'll keep mine, too. I'm far safer here, with the ability to defend myself and my family.

 

[coachdb18]

Are you saying that you need guns because of black people? It sounds like you're afraid of black people. Are you afraid of black people?

You're resorting, true to type, of accusing me of being 'racist, by implication. The facts speak for themselves....

– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.
More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.
– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.
– FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.
According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.
Critics argue that black people are overrepresented in these figures because they only represent 13% of the population, but they are underrepresented if you factor in violent crime offenders. In other words, you would expect the number of blacks and whites killed by police to be roughly equal given that they commit a roughly equal number of violent crimes, but that’s not the case. Whites are nearly 100% more likely to be victims.
And what about black on white violence in general?
– FACT: Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa, according to FBI statistics from 2007. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white.
“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their widely cited 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.”
It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be. If the 911 calls are coming from black areas and are related to black people committing violent crimes, then of course black people are more likely to be involved in violent confrontations with cops.

Source: https://www.infowars.com/black-crime-facts-that-the-white-liberal-media-darent-talk-about/

 

[KimGordon67]

Well that makes more sense, I guess.

As for places to live, I'll keep mine, too. I'm far safer here, with the ability to defend myself and my family.

As I've noted before, I have clear evidence from my own actual life that I'm perfectly able to defend myself, and for my family to defend each other, entirely in the absence of guns. So you have fun there surrounded by armed people, and I'll be happy here, knowing that any assailant I may encounter has virtually no likelihood of being armed.

 

[Blue]

You're resorting, true to type, of being 'racist, by implication. The fcts speak for themselves....

I'm not going to contest the facts because they sound about right. The implication you sound like you're making is "blacks are more violent because they're black".

Source: https://www.infowars.com/black-crime-facts-that-the-white-liberal-media-darent-talk-about/

I KNEW IT
These people listen to Alex Jones like he's a serious person.
I would laugh but that's too scary to laugh at.

 

[KimGordon67]

You're resorting, true to type, of accusing me of being 'racist, by implication. The facts speak for themselves....



Source: https://www.infowars.com/black-crime-facts-that-the-white-liberal-media-darent-talk-about/

And here Coach demonstrates that he doesn't actually understand what 'racism' means.

 

[KimGordon67]

I'm not going to contest the facts because they sound about right. The implication you sound like you're making is "blacks are more violent because they're black".

I KNEW IT
These people listen to Alex Jones like he's a serious person.
I would laugh but that's too scary to laugh at.

Actually, we could probably substitute 'black' with 'poor' throughout this entire rant ... but of course, that would be socialist.

 

[coachdb18]

I'm not going to contest the facts because they sound about right. The implication you sound like you're making is "blacks are more violent because they're black".

Blacks are more likely to be violent because they were the subject of Progressive policies, which brought down all those things I posted in post#1053 upon them. They were as much victims of Democrat politics as were the American Indian.

 

[KimGordon67]

Blacks are more likely to be violent because they were the subject of Progressive policies, which brought down all those things I posted in post#1053 upon them. They were as much victims of Democrat politics as were the American Indian.

... and still in the 18th century. I guess he gets to avoid women being uppity, so it's probably quite nice for him.

 

[Blue]

The left has always been, first and foremost, control freaks. They've brought us subservience to government in the form of Socialist Security (a tax that we HAVE to pay with the threat of jailtime), Obamacare (a tax that we have to pay with the threat of a weaponized IRS penalties)
[...]
the income tax (the left LOVES taxes, especially as a 'social justice tool, not just for the purpose of monetary needs)..... the list of abuses is endless.

Oh no, a financial mechanism to maintain a functioning society, the horror.

The things you listed keep you safe/provides you electricity and water/gives you a pension/maintains nationwide infrastructure/helps to keep you alive even in the truly barbaric healthcare system you have in the US. I think it's worth a bit out of your pocket every month in the grand scheme.

 

[coachdb18]

Oh no, a financial mechanism to maintain a functioning society, the horror.

The things you listed keep you safe/provides you electricity and water/gives you a pension/maintains nationwide infrastructure/helps to keep you alive even in the truly barbaric healthcare system you have in the US. I think it's worth a bit out of your pocket every month in the grand scheme.

Taxes are necessary to fund those things which are government NEEDS. But the US government needs only about 10% of what it takes in. Taxes are used to implement social justice 'causes' more than anything else. Our Federal tax rate should be no higher than 10%. The US government is 90% waste.

What we really need, is to repeal XVI amendment (income tax, which was originally ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS), which was 'made Constitutional' and quasi legal by making it an amendment to the Constitution. We need to fund the Federal government by contributions from the state legislatures, who could end much of the Federal abuse and waste by voting not to fund many of these wasteful black holes. This would also involve closing the IRS.

 

[KimGordon67]

Taxes are necessary to fund those things which are government NEEDS. But the US government needs only about 10% of what it takes in. Taxes are used to implement social justice 'causes' more than anything else. Our Federal tax rate should be no higher than 10%. The US government is 90% waste.

What we really need, is to repeal XVI amendment (income tax, which was originally ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS), which was 'made Constitutional' and quasi legal by making it an amendment to the Constitution. We need to fund the Federal government by contributions from the state legislatures, who could end much of the Federal abuse and waste by voting not to fund many of these wasteful black holes. This would also involve closing the IRS.

Because social justice isn't a 'need'.

I'd also like to see evidence for his 10/90% split, because that sounds pretty definitive. Clearly he has something to back it up.

 

[Blue]

Taxes are necessary to fund those things which are government NEEDS. But the US government needs only about 10% of what it takes in. Taxes are used to implement social justice 'causes' more than anything else. Our Federal tax rate should be no higher than 10%. The US government is 90% waste.

What we really need, is to repeal XVI amendment (income tax, which was originally ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS), which was 'made Constitutional' and quasi legal by making it an amendment to the Constitution. We need to fund the Federal government by contributions from the state legislatures, who could end much of the Federal abuse and waste by voting not to fund many of these wasteful black holes. This would also involve closing the IRS.

Did you know that countries with the highest taxes in the world are also the most happy?
All the Scandinavian countries have consistently the highest quality of life and living standards, happiness, life satisfaction, and taxes. Because they use that money to provide things like 4 day work weeks, large amounts of mandated paid holidays, universal healthcare coverage, negative income taxes for the poor, large and comprehensive social security nets, etc. All things you have none of in the USA. And their societies aren't collapsing at the seams at all.

More money in your pocket =/= a better quality of life.

All that socialism though. That's probably a living nightmare for you right?