Israeli stealth fighters fly over Iran

[FakeNews]

Two Israeli F-35 fighter jets entered Iranian airspace over the past month, Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida reported on Thursday. The act is a signal of heightened regional tensions, especially in light of recent Israeli military attacks in Syria, including against Iranian bases in the country.

The report states that the two fighter jets, among the most advanced in the world, circled at high altitude above Persian Gulf sites suspected of being associated with the Iranian nuclear program.

It also states that the two jets went undetected by radar, including by the Russian radar system located in Syria. The source refused to confirm if the operation was undertaken in coordination with the US army, which has recently conducted joint exercises with the IDF.

The source added that the seven F-35 fighters in active service in the IAF have conducted a number of missions in Syria and on the Lebanese-Syrian border. He underlined that the fighter jets can travel from Israel to Iran twice without refueling.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israeli-stealth-fighters-fly-over-Iran-547421

 

[phrodeau]

They’ve only had the F-35’s in the air for four months, and they’re already antagonizing their neighbors. Maybe someone can explain why it was a good idea.

 

[Captainnumnuts]

Would those be the ones obtained from the US in some way?

 

[ryan8558]

Would those be the ones obtained from the US in some way?

Purchased with our money I think.

 

[bellisarius]

It would be interesting if there were some verification that it indeed happened. I doubt that we'll ever get verification but the fact that the Israelis would try wouldn't surprise me in the least.

What makes this report so damn interesting is the fact that the Iranians have a LOT of the Russian built S-300 Air Defense missile systems. Widely regarded as among the most capable in the world. Further, the F-35 is not reported to be as stealthy as the F-22. So if true this report is interesting on more than one level.

 

[Captainnumnuts]

Purchased with our money I think.

No doubt.

 

[Captainnumnuts]

Compliments of Lockheed Martin! I bet someone's pretty pissed about this.

 

[bellisarius]

Compliments of Lockheed Martin! I bet someone's pretty pissed about this.

I think 'worried' is the right word.

 

[Rightguide]

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israeli-stealth-fighters-fly-over-Iran-547421

Amazing since the combat radius of the F-35 is at most 690 miles and the distance from Israel to Iran is at least 1112 miles.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

This should end well.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Amazing since the combat radius of the F-35 is at most 690 miles and the distance from Israel to Iran is at least 1112 miles.

They have inflight refuel. I can google, too.

 

[bellisarius]

Amazing since the combat radius of the F-35 is at most 690 miles and the distance from Israel to Iran is at least 1112 miles.

Israel has tankers and are using Syrian air space with impunity.

 

[Captainnumnuts]

I think 'worried' is the right word.

And we should be. This could be the start of some serious shit that's been in conflict and culminating for hundreds of years.

 

[bellisarius]

And we should be. This could be the start of some serious shit that's been in conflict and culminating for hundreds of years.

Why should we be worried?

 

[Captainnumnuts]

Why should we be worried?

The US has been involved since before WWII - which led to Israel becoming an independent nation. The Middle East conflicts (all of them) have been going on since B.C. and A.D. Our involvement escalated it. It was never our war to begin with. We got greedy once we discovered there was oil in that part of the world. Good intentions gone back - trying to go back to being good.

If you have the time bellisarius, read up on it. It's some really deep stuff. And Israel hasn't always been called Israel. Trump's role is based upon treaties between US and Israel. He's trying to honor them in some way. It also leans into Christian and Muslin relations.

 

[BBX4]

or it could be dis-information intended to drive Iran and Russia BATTY

 

[OldJourno]

Would those be the ones obtained from the US in some way?

No, these would be F35s made in Haiti.

 

[bellisarius]

The US has been involved since before WWII - which led to Israel becoming an independent nation. The Middle East conflicts (all of them) have been going on since B.C. and A.D. Our involvement escalated it. It was never our war to begin with. We got greedy once we discovered there was oil in that part of the world. Good intentions gone back - trying to go back to being good.

If you have the time bellisarius, read up on it. It's some really deep stuff. And Israel hasn't always been called Israel. Trump's role is based upon treaties between US and Israel. He's trying to honor them in some way. It also leans into Christian and Muslin relations.

Let's start with the fact that I have read 'up on it', extensively. If you bother to look there's an old thread on the board between myself (Ishmael) and PPMan in which the history was discussed in depth.

The state of Israel came about more as a result of a British initiative post WWII than anything the US had to do with. It was nothing more than a fulfillment of the Balfour Declaration of 1926.

As far as Arab-Israeli relations go, that is changing rapidly as well. The Arab states are beginning to realize that Iran is the threat that Israel never was. If that trajectory continues the only belligerents that will be left are the Palestinians and Iran. And no one gives much of a shit about the Palestinians other than the Iranians using them as proxies.

Again, why should we worry?

If this report is true the most potent defense against air attack against Iran has just be rendered ineffective. It goes without saying that Israel isn't going to be sending troops in to invade, merely destroy critical infrastructure as required if the need arises. And exactly what are the Iranians going to do? Mass troops for human wave attacks like they did in the Iraq-Iran war? Without a viable air defense that would be folly, although I don't put it past the "Mullah's" to try. They would have to deploy their Revolutionary Guard to the borders, leaving themselves open to the civil insurrection that is still festering in that nation.

The Iranian oil reserves are ALL located on the coastal plain of the Gulf. (Which is where most of that ineffective air defense is located as well.) They are seriously vulnerable to economic strangulation.

In summation Iran is totally separate from any issues that the Arabs have with the Isreali's. The Arabs fear the Iranian's even more than they do Israel. So you really have to decouple any perceived Biblical notions about Israel and the Arabs from anything to do with Iran.

 

[Rightguide]

Israel has tankers and are using Syrian air space with impunity.

True but this is the Passage in the article I was commenting on:

"The source added that the seven F-35 fighters in active service in the IAF have conducted a number of missions in Syria and on the Lebanese-Syrian border. He underlined that the fighter jets can travel from Israel to Iran twice without refueling."

 

[bellisarius]

True but this is the Passage in the article I was commenting on:

"The source added that the seven F-35 fighters in active service in the IAF have conducted a number of missions in Syria and on the Lebanese-Syrian border. He underlined that the fighter jets can travel from Israel to Iran twice without refueling."

I saw that too. Add the caveat "with in air refueling" and there ya go. Saying that there is a great deal in the article missing regarding detail.

And then there is the fact that we have tankers in Iraq. So I can see a scenario where the Israeli's say, "Hey, we'd like to test these new jets against the S-300 systems."

We say, "Fine, we'll make sure you're tanked up as long as get all the data you get."

Nothing like a little quo quid pro to move things along.

 

[phrodeau]

https://theaviationist.com/2018/03/...red-iranian-airspace-does-not-make-any-sense/

Sounds like it's fake news.

 

[Captainnumnuts]

Let's start with the fact that I have read 'up on it', extensively. If you bother to look there's an old thread on the board between myself (Ishmael) and PPMan in which the history was discussed in depth.

The state of Israel came about more as a result of a British initiative post WWII than anything the US had to do with. It was nothing more than a fulfillment of the Balfour Declaration of 1926.

As far as Arab-Israeli relations go, that is changing rapidly as well. The Arab states are beginning to realize that Iran is the threat that Israel never was. If that trajectory continues the only belligerents that will be left are the Palestinians and Iran. And no one gives much of a shit about the Palestinians other than the Iranians using them as proxies.

Again, why should we worry?

If this report is true the most potent defense against air attack against Iran has just be rendered ineffective. It goes without saying that Israel isn't going to be sending troops in to invade, merely destroy critical infrastructure as required if the need arises. And exactly what are the Iranians going to do? Mass troops for human wave attacks like they did in the Iraq-Iran war? Without a viable air defense that would be folly, although I don't put it past the "Mullah's" to try. They would have to deploy their Revolutionary Guard to the borders, leaving themselves open to the civil insurrection that is still festering in that nation.

The Iranian oil reserves are ALL located on the coastal plain of the Gulf. (Which is where most of that ineffective air defense is located as well.) They are seriously vulnerable to economic strangulation.

In summation Iran is totally separate from any issues that the Arabs have with the Isreali's. The Arabs fear the Iranian's even more than they do Israel. So you really have to decouple any perceived Biblical notions about Israel and the Arabs from anything to do with Iran.

I'm trying to bring us both into the 21st century with some brief insight into what's led up to these Israeli stealth fighters in Iranian air space the OP was addressing. Apparently, I only served to confuse the issue.

So, basically, you think it's all about Arabs and Iranians and interpretations of Biblical notions? And that has nothing to do w/Israeli relations to other nations as they embraced talks and welcomed alliances that assured them a place of their own in that barren place they call home? Time passages are very relevant and significant. We ain't in the camel days nor walking the dessert w/Jesus and Moses.

It's common knowledge most of the Arabs have refused to even acknowledge Israelites' mere existence until the past few decades. Sorry I distracted you w/some insight into historical data as well as insight into the military aspect of it. The economic possibilities became relevant as a result thereof.

Most Americans have a hard time distinguishing between Arab, Middle Eastern, and Muslim. Arab includes Israel. Israel is a borderline nation w/one side towards Iran (which once included Iraq or vice versa). Now separated by Jordan(between what is now Iraq) and Iran The term 'Middle East' itself is NOT a fixed term. The freakin' maps keep changing.

So, I'm not going to delve into some long dead thread on a porn site NOT dedicated to the history of those 2 countries in question. (This ain't exactly the 1st fight Iran and Israel have been at odds w/each other).

Think or do whatever it is you do. I'm not here for a history lesson NOR to give one. Good nite to you.

 

[Captainnumnuts]

And we should be. This could be the start of some serious shit that's been in conflict and culminating for hundreds of years.

Why should we be worried?

I think 'worried' is the right word.

You were a little confusing on that one.

 

[Antryg_Windrose]

https://theaviationist.com/2018/03/...red-iranian-airspace-does-not-make-any-sense/

Sounds like it's fake news.

What? Would Israel lie about this? How DARE they!

 

[WoundedKnee]

It would be interesting if there were some verification that it indeed happened. I doubt that we'll ever get verification but the fact that the Israelis would try wouldn't surprise me in the least.

What makes this report so damn interesting is the fact that the Iranians have a LOT of the Russian built S-300 Air Defense missile systems. Widely regarded as among the most capable in the world. Further, the F-35 is not reported to be as stealthy as the F-22. So if true this report is interesting on more than one level.

How long before the UN condemns them while looking the other way as Iran arms the enemies of Israel. Having lived in a place where they routinely flew over, I can tell you, they might be stealthy to radar, but they fly low and powerful. You can hear them coming from miles away. Any citizens of Iran who witnessed the flyover would have been been impressed, and not in a good way. It would strike another blow to their belief in their government's ability to defend itself, even from its own people.