Landmark Report Concludes Abortion In U.S. Is Safe

[beew]

Ya know, it's the year 2018, where any man on any given day can decide to be a woman and take a piss in the ladies room, and nobody can do fuck all about it... OBTW, I'm gonna be black tomorrow, maybe set up an OB/GYN appointment (they're covered by ObamaCare for everyone now, you know!)

Take a hint from BB, Coachie.

I suspect that the other concervatives aren't stoked that you keep bringing up misogynistic and racist "supportive arguments" for the 'anti-abortion cause.

You're not helping the cause, you're just putting them at risk of being painted with the same brush and of looking like morons through association with you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

With our declining birth rates we could actually achieve those numbers simply by no longer allowing open borders and deporting those who violate our immigration policies.

You're not wrong about the numbers. As we continue to automate we are necessarily going to lose productive things for citizens to do.

Finite resources can't support infinite growth.

I was down by ASU today where they are putting in another huge multi-unit dwelling. I had this Epiphany watching it go up that we actually are more or less living The Matrix where people are going to be Warehouse in plugged in little apartments that they basically never leave. Hopefully they do something productive from me within the walls of those apartments but, even if they do not government checks alone will ensure the economy of that town. In this case a lot of those are student loans in Pell grant money and that sort of thing.

The economic problem with that idea though is sooner or later government spending of borrowed dollars has to have economic consequences.

It's the new face of economic slavery.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

The tighter they strangle markets to support that bullshit the more the hustlers will push back, subverting the system, taking back what's theirs one black market at a time. The reason Gangsters are so fucking admired and revered, especially in American society is because they are free, free in ways the lames and chumps just wish they could be.

 

[coachdb18]

Take a hint from BB, Coachie.

I suspect that the other concervatives aren't stoked that you keep bringing up misogynistic and racist "supportive arguments" for the 'anti-abortion cause.

You're not helping the cause, you're just putting them at risk of being painted with the same brush and of looking like morons through association with you.

How can ANYONE be misogynistic OR racist when anyone and indeed everyone can change their race or gender by simply wishing it to be? No way can anyone think I'm not empathetic, I'm now a black woman on my way to the gynecologist!!!! Tell you how it goes when I get back!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Thank you thread police for making clear what can and cannot be discussed.

Nobody did anything of the sort....please put the PCP down.

Or learn to read.

Or just stop with the ascription.

And you wonder why I say men can't fully understand something unique to women. You just keep proving it over and over again in all your ridiculous glory.

Not really.

You brought it up to cover after making a blatantly sexist as hell comment...and won't drop it even though it had and still has nothing to do with the conversation.

But keep making that appeal to emotion fallacy some more, the more hysterical the more it will validate your condescending sexism.

That wasn't an obviously blatant slapshot to the testicles of the tree huggers? I gotta try harder!!!

Why hate on the tree huggers?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Take a hint from BB, Coachie.

I suspect that the other concervatives aren't stoked that you keep bringing up misogynistic and racist "supportive arguments" for the 'anti-abortion cause.

You're not helping the cause, you're just putting them at risk of being painted with the same brush and of looking like morons through association with you.

What association?

 

[coachdb18]

Why hate on the tree huggers?

Somebodies gotta die to save the planet, and they just seem so willing....

 

[adrina]

Shark jumped.

 

[coachdb18]

What association?

Maybe it's an Association like AARP, where they say you're part of the group just by being old?

 

[beew]

What association?

A lot of people in this forum think by putting people into categories or by association, and are quick to stereotype their opponnents.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Somebodies gotta die to save the planet, and they just seem so willing....

A whole bunch...and you know what? Even if we don't kill ourselves one day there will be a bug we can't touch in time to save the 30-70% of the population it's going to take out.

They also aren't willing, just not in denial of reality and facts to support their "every life is precious" feels.

 

[BobBalouski]

So when was the last time you feared...

...Where's your empathy?

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif

I piss on your perpetual tears of victim hood fear, baby killer.

 

[BotanyBoy]

A lot of people in this forum think by putting people into categories or by association, and are quick to stereotype their opponnents.

Yea but morons like that are fun to fuck with.

 

[KimGordon67]

Nice attitude in a debate thread.

Do you support un-free speech as well?

Sigh ... you're talking about what you think policy 'should' look like, based on your opinion. If you don't seriously think that 'should' be how things are, then make that clear. Say whatever the hell you want - I personally don't give a toss - but don't think that your opinion is even vaguely relevant to what other people do or don't choose to do with their own uteruses.

You're also completely avoiding the actual point by whinging about my argument technique.

 

[KimGordon67]

I was taken aback by your comments about the foetus, "a thing that could be discarded". And that you implied that you're ok with those women who use abortion as contraception.

I'm sure that you don't actually think like that. Neither do most women.
Most women who've had abortions had maximum 2 mayyyybe 3, and were deeply traumatized by the process and asked themselves all sorts of ethical and moral questions prior to that.

In saying that, there is a small category of women who treat abortion as a method of contraception (any young woman who has more than 4 abortions under their belt is not an ok situation).
That category needs to be screened for and targetted more aggressively through education about better or semi-permanent methods of birth control.


The extreme Left's tactic of trying to normalize and sweep the latter cases under the carpet or to claim that the foetus is "a thing or a parasite" is counterproductive.
You think that you're helping women but all you do is you feed into the extreme Right's misconception that all women who undergo abortions are flippant or callous. Which is far from the truth.

(a) Where, precisely, did I say that a foetus was a' thing to be discarded' or refer to them as 'parasites'. Stop over-emoting my words.

(b) Ah - so now it's young women with more than four abortions? You change your tack a bit.

(c) Stop generalising me as 'the extreme left', and actually respond to the things I'm saying.

And again, you're bringing up these unicorn-status exceptions. I'm just saying a universal policy applied to all cases that isn't subject to anyone moralising on the matter. Of course I fully support totally funded and readily accessible contraception - I thought that was so obvious it didn't need stating. But weren't you suggesting earlier that, once a women had reached your arbitrarily decided upon limit, "in extreme either mandate them and their partners to have a semi-permanent method of contraception (IUD, tubal ligation or vasectomy)." (BTW, to the best of my knowledge, tubal ligations are 'semi-permanent' and the success rate for reversing vasectomies is pretty low.)

Basically, you're anti-abortion, but you make it look nice by saying it's OK if they're 'good women', according to your definition of 'good'.

 

[KimGordon67]

Have you ever talked to any woman who underwent an abortion?
I bet not, since your understanding of female psychology is pretty limitted.

Newsflash: most women who undergo abortion don't treat it as a dental procedure and come to the decision after a lot of angst and soul searching.
They are grossly misrepresented.

Only a very, very tiny minority treat abortion as a dental procedure, and those have narcissistic traits, you wouldn't want their narcissistic spawns anyway.

I'm pretty certain Coach never talks to any women, period, regardless of their reproductive status.

 

[beew]

(a) Where, precisely, did I say that a foetus was a' thing to be discarded' or refer to them as 'parasites'. Stop over-emoting my words.

(b) Ah - so now it's young women with more than four abortions? You change your tack a bit.

(c) Stop generalising me as 'the extreme left', and actually respond to the things I'm saying.

And again, you're bringing up these unicorn-status exceptions. I'm just saying a universal policy applied to all cases that isn't subject to anyone moralising on the matter. Of course I fully support totally funded and readily accessible contraception - I thought that was so obvious it didn't need stating. But weren't you suggesting earlier that, once a women had reached your arbitrarily decided upon limit, "in extreme either mandate them and their partners to have a semi-permanent method of contraception (IUD, tubal ligation or vasectomy)." (BTW, to the best of my knowledge, tubal ligations are 'semi-permanent' and the success rate for reversing vasectomies is pretty low.)

Basically, you're anti-abortion, but you make it look nice by saying it's OK if they're 'good women', according to your definition of 'good'.

I think that at this point we should agree that we both engaged in a few misinterpretations, jumping to conclusions and personal attacks.

I've done it and became aware of what I was doing only in hindsight, I've seen you do it, I've seen others do it.

Half of the debates in this forum are like that.

 

[KimGordon67]

I think that at this point we should agree that we both engaged in a few misinterpretations, jumping to conclusions and personal attacks.

I've done it and became aware of what I was doing only in hindsight, I've seen you do it, I've seen others do it.

Half of the debates in this forum are like that.

I'd say closer to 95% of them.

My argument stays the same though - abortions should be universally available. Any other approach is bringing morals into a place where they don't belong, and apportioning 'rights' on the basis of conformity to other people's morals. (I'm also very careful with my personal attacks - it may not appear that way to a newcomer, but trust me, I am.)

 

[about_average]

What’s the difference between a slave owner claiming he can do whatever he wants to his slaves, because he is their owner, and a pregnant woman claiming she can abort her baby because it’s ‘her body’, and she ‘owns’ that baby ? About 150 years, and not much in the thinking has changed...

Are you really that stupid?
Or are you just pretending to be that stupid?

You don't have a problem with abortion personally, however most men are anti abortion. Statistical fact.

No,that's an alternate fact.
55% of men believe it should be legal in all/most cases, only 4% less than women.
http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

 

[beew]

I'd say closer to 95% of them.

My argument stays the same though - abortions should be universally available. Any other approach is bringing morals into a place where they don't belong, and apportioning 'rights' on the basis of conformity to other people's morals. (I'm also very careful with my personal attacks - it may not appear that way to a newcomer, but trust me, I am.)

At this point in time, I respect your position.

As for myself: I consider myself to be pro-choice and nonjudgmental of those who had two, and in certain cases three accidental pregnancies due to inadequate contraception.

But I am highly judgmental of those who, after two or three accidental pregnancies due to inadequate contraceptive practices , didn't seek some sort of help to address the issue and went on to have another and another accidental pregnancy.
Those women are in a minority but they Do exist.

And my moralizing approach is related to the fact that nobody, not even the top experts can tell us with certainty what the foetus is from a certain point of view. The foetus's nervous system is in development at the time of abortion.
I believe that Science will help us find the answer one day, but we're not there yet.

.

 

[adrina]

Are you really that stupid?
Or are you just pretending to be that stupid?

No,that's an alternate fact.
55% of men believe it should be legal in all/most cases, only 4% less than women.
http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

Good to know. That wasn't always the case. However, I did note that more men than women ticked the illegsl in all/most cases box.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Good to know. That wasn't always the case. However, I did note that more men than women ticked the illegsl in all/most cases box.

Of course you did, gotta do all you can to justify your blatant sexism

 

[RobDownSouth]

No,that's an alternate fact.
55% of men believe it should be legal in all/most cases, only 4% less than women.
http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

That's interesting. The last research I'd read is that most men thought it should be illegal. Hadn't seen any 2017 research, thanks for sharing.


I suspect we'll see the number of men supporting abortion to rise as the Fox News bitter clinger demographic continues to die off. There appears to be no lasting staying power for the "white partriarchy" Father-knows-best Barefoot-Pregnant-and-in-the-kitchen mindset. It's rapidly becoming a relic from a different age.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's interesting. The last research I'd read is that most men thought it should be illegal. Hadn't seen any 2017 research, thanks for sharing.


I suspect we'll see the number of men supporting abortion to rise as the Fox News bitter clinger demographic continues to die off. There appears to be no lasting staying power for the "white partriarchy" Father-knows-best Barefoot-Pregnant-and-in-the-kitchen mindset. It's rapidly becoming a relic from a different age.

White patriarchy?

LOL jesus fuckin' christ......Rob the bigot strikes again!!!

You regressives just can't help yourselves can you?

 

[beew]

Are you really that stupid?
Or are you just pretending to be that stupid?

No,that's an alternate fact.
55% of men believe it should be legal in all/most cases, only 4% less than women.
http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

I'm shocked.

Personally, I don't care much about Litsters' opinions on the topic because for me these discussions are more about the 'intellectual exercise' and just hypothetical, with no real life repercutions. And I'm desensitized to news.

But these figures make you remember that things out there are really intense.

 

[beew]

45% of people in favour of making abortion illegal : I would have never expected that in modern day America.
One thing is to be critical of those who trivialize abortion, but wanting it declared illegal: that's an entirely different ballgame.

And what an ominous nomber in today's political climate.