What gives Walmart the right to set the age to buy a gun?

[BobaFetaCheese]

Since there’s no law as to an age limit for weapons purchases at Walmart, simply a cowardly corporate decision that makes no more sense than the schools present 1950’s duck and cover drills, who’s to stop someone from buying a Walmart rifle for a 19 year old? So long as the 19 year old has the legal right to buy it, the sale is legal, and it’s still a 19 y/o with a Walmart rifle.

There is nothing to stop that. It would be nearly impossible. However that person would be liable.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If one is of age and one is not then that's fine. If we are equal then no. How does that apply to the story? They aren't saying only some, they are saying all.

The determination of selling or not selling tobacco is a legislative decision enshrined in law that set the age at 18 yrs. Convenience stores do not set the age for selling tobacco.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

The determination of selling or not selling tobacco is a legislative decision enshrined in law that set the age at 18 yrs. Convenience stores do not set the age for selling tobacco.

And yet Dicks and Walmart are raising age limits and most everyone says they can. Again, why do you think you're smarter than the army of lawyers they have and all the other legal experts saying they are right?

And you seem to think stores can't refuse service but yes they can. For any reason other than race, ethnicity, religion or national origin. A guy is just an asshole you have every right to tell him to get the fuck out. Don't like ugly people? Fine, you don't have to sell to them.

 

[Rightguide]

They did at some but not all and you're responding to a post about age limits so your reply makes no sense anyway.

They stopped in their regular stores after Sandy Hook, but sold them in their Field & Stream Stores. Now they are stooping sales their too. Meaningless media shit. There are 8 million private owned AR15s in the United states. The next mass killer already has his firearm, whatever that might be.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

They still can, it's not legal discrimination. You can refuse service to anyone as long as it's not for very specific reasons. And now you're gonna say age is one of those reasons but many lawyers much smarter than you have said it's ok. Why do you think you know more than they?

My feeble mind understands the right to refuse service that business enjoy needs to be based on customer behavior, decorum or the health and safety of patrons and employees. It is not an arbitrary right where they can simply classify people, by age or whatever, and discriminate.

And whatever the law today, I am not interested in letting businesses co opt the power to make these types of decisions that belong in the realm of public policy.

Laws and customs change all the time. it was not that long ago where:

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Or this:

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Or this:

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Businesses don't get to choose their customers on their whim.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

My feeble mind understands the right to refuse service that business enjoy needs to be based on customer behavior, decorum or the health and safety of patrons and employees. It is not an arbitrary right where they can simply classify people, by age or whatever, and discriminate.

And whatever the law today, I am not interested in letting businesses co opt the power to make these types of decisions that belong in the realm of public policy.


Businesses don't get to choose their customers on their whim.

Well you've gone from saying it's blatantly illegal to saying you just don't like it.
Big difference there.
And yes businesses do get to choose their customers as long as it's not based on those specific reasons.
You are NOT going to change that. If you don't like it then don't shop there, it's how the market works.
Grow up already.

 

[coachdb18]

These stores are crafty like a fox, as they are smart enough to see that they can use guns as leverage to roll back age discrimination law, and open the door to other such practices as well. Today it’s a sale of a rifle to a 19 y/o, tomorrow it becomes a 25 year old, then you include whatever is next on your slippery slope towards individually determined rights of whatever you want them to be of your whim of the moment. Perhaps you have to be at least 5 feet tall, or maybe shorter than 6’2”. Maybe that’s something you can’t do in a skirt, so women can’t drive THIS car, etc etc etc

 

[Rightguide]

And yet Dicks and Walmart are raising age limits and most everyone says they can. Again, why do you think you're smarter than the army of lawyers they have and all the other legal experts saying they are right?

And you seem to think stores can't refuse service but yes they can. For any reason other than race, ethnicity, religion or national origin. A guy is just an asshole you have every right to tell him to get the fuck out. Don't like ugly people? Fine, you don't have to sell to them.

If state laws allow purchases to those under 21, those people will simply go elsewhere. Will the age limit for the sale of alcohol be raised as well to say 25, because drunk drivers killed 10,00 plus people in 2015? Will the sale of cell phones be restricted to older people because In 2013, 3,154 people were killed in distraction-related crashes?

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

They stopped in their regular stores after Sandy Hook, but sold them in their Field & Stream Stores. Now they are stooping sales their too. Meaningless media shit. There are 8 million private owned AR15s in the United states. The next mass killer already has his firearm, whatever that might be.

It's not meaningless. They took a big chance because it was what they felt was right. Their gun sales are a small percentage but they still are going to alienate people who just don't like the policy. They decided it was worth it. I applaud them for putting their values above money. Doesn't matter if I agree or not because I don't get to tell them what their values are.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

If state laws allow purchases to those under 21, those people will simply go elsewhere. Will the age limit for the sale of alcohol be raised as well to say 25, because drunk drivers killed 10,00 plus people in 2015? Will the sale of cell phones be restricted to older people because In 2013, 3,154 people were killed in distraction-related crashes?

You're right, they will go elsewhere. Nobody is saying they won't. The stores are setting their own policy for their own reasons. Don't like it, don't go there. Very simple.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Well you've gone from saying it's blatantly illegal to saying you just don't like it.
Big difference there.
And yes businesses do get to choose their customers as long as it's not based on those specific reasons.
You are NOT going to change that. If you don't like it then don't shop there, it's how the market works.
Grow up already.

I have not gone anywhere. I asked - What gives Walmart the right to set the age to buy a gun?

The law sets that age and Walmart does not have the right to supercede the law. They can chose not to sell guns at all. Or sell the to people who meet the qualifications. What they cannot do is choose their customer.

Same way you cannot sell wedding cakes and choose to only sell wedding cakes to people whose marriage you deem appropriate and refuse to sell them to others whose marriage you do not like, but is legal.

 

[phrodeau]

These stores are crafty like a fox, as they are smart enough to see that they can use guns as leverage to roll back age discrimination law, and open the door to other such practices as well. Today it’s a sale of a rifle to a 19 y/o, tomorrow it becomes a 25 year old, then you include whatever is next on your slippery slope towards individually determined rights of whatever you want them to be of your whim of the moment. Perhaps you have to be at least 5 feet tall, or maybe shorter than 6’2”. Maybe that’s something you can’t do in a skirt, so women can’t drive THIS car, etc etc etc

Yeah, it's a slippery slope, and you have no traction at all.

What will the kids demand next? Health care?

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Their role is to peddle their wares. They have no right to deny someone a lawful purchase of a gun.

Walmart does not get to set the age limit. That is reserved for the legislature.

I have not gone anywhere. I asked - What gives Walmart the right to set the age to buy a gun?

The law sets that age and Walmart does not have the right to supercede the law. They can chose not to sell guns at all. Or sell the to people who meet the qualifications. What they cannot do is choose their customer.

Same way you cannot sell wedding cakes and choose to only sell wedding cakes to people whose marriage you deem appropriate and refuse to sell them to others whose marriage you do not like, but is legal.

That's not asking, it's saying flat out that it's illegal.
It's not the same as the wedding cakes because they were against federal discrimination laws. Refusing to sell because you just don't want to sell to a person is not. Have you really never seen a "Reserve the right to refuse service" sign?
You keep saying it's illegal but just about everyone is saying it's not.
For some reason you think you're smarter than them and you make comparisons that don't fit and don't understand discrimination laws.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Google is your friend.

 

[HisArpy]

There is nothing to stop that. It would be nearly impossible. However that person would be liable.

Incorrect, it would be a straw man purchase and a fed felony.

 

[coachdb18]

That's not asking, it's saying flat out that it's illegal.
It's not the same as the wedding cakes because they were against federal discrimination laws. Refusing to sell because you just don't want to sell to a person is not. Have you really never seen a "Reserve the right to refuse service" sign?
You keep saying it's illegal but just about everyone is saying it's not.
For some reason you think you're smarter than them and you make comparisons that don't fit and don't understand discrimination laws.

Age discrimination IS illegal, just ask the AARP what they’re fighting every day. And if a store says you can be too young, there’s nothing to stop them from saying you’re too old.

 

[phrodeau]

I have not gone anywhere. I asked - What gives Walmart the right to set the age to buy a gun?

The law sets that age and Walmart does not have the right to supercede the law. They can chose not to sell guns at all. Or sell the to people who meet the qualifications. What they cannot do is choose their customer.

Same way you cannot sell wedding cakes and choose to only sell wedding cakes to people whose marriage you deem appropriate and refuse to sell them to others whose marriage you do not like, but is legal.

A store can refuse service to children. A store can prohibit unattended children. A store can limit sales of spray paint and airplane glue to children. A store can and should report truant children and curfew violations to the cops.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Incorrect, it would be a straw man purchase and a fed felony.

I said they'd be liable. The law doesn't actually stop people from doing it unless one person tries and is denied then the other comes in and tries with the same address and all that shit.
You did not understand what I said.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Age discrimination IS illegal, just ask the AARP what they’re fighting every day. And if a store says you can be too young, there’s nothing to stop them from saying you’re too old.

It's been covered in the news. Look.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

A store can refuse service to children. A store can prohibit unattended children. A store can limit sales of spray paint and airplane glue to children. A store can and should report truant children and curfew violations to the cops.

They can also say "I think you're an asshole and I don't want you in my store."
Happens every single day.

 

[Eva_Starry]

These stores are crafty like a fox, as they are smart enough to see that they can use guns as leverage to roll back age discrimination law, and open the door to other such practices as well. Today it’s a sale of a rifle to a 19 y/o, tomorrow it becomes a 25 year old, then you include whatever is next on your slippery slope towards individually determined rights of whatever you want them to be of your whim of the moment. Perhaps you have to be at least 5 feet tall, or maybe shorter than 6’2”. Maybe that’s something you can’t do in a skirt, so women can’t drive THIS car, etc etc etc

Age restrictions are not discrimination.

 

[AngusBridie]

They can also say "I think you're an asshole and I don't want you in my store."
Happens every single day.

Not at WalMart.. They wouldn't have any customers then.

 

[Rightguide]

You're right, they will go elsewhere. Nobody is saying they won't. The stores are setting their own policy for their own reasons. Don't like it, don't go there. Very simple.

If somebody decided to limit sales of cell phones to older people based on death caused, an advocacy group would file suit in federal court for age discrimination. Same with alcohol.

 

[coachdb18]

Incorrect, it would be a straw man purchase and a fed felony.

It’s not a straw man purchase if they have a purchase permit or conceal carry, and they fill out the 4473, just like Walmart would have sold it to them before they were allowed to discriminate.

 

[HisArpy]

I said they'd be liable. The law doesn't actually stop people from doing it unless one person tries and is denied then the other comes in and tries with the same address and all that shit.
You did not understand what I said.

Of the 2 of us, you are the one who didn't understand what he said. And, in typical fashion, now you BS in the hope that you can cover up your ignorance. When you sign the 4473 you state under penalty that YOU are the actual buyer and that you are not buying the firearm for another. Nor can you buy the firearm and immediately transfer it to another (even if that transfer is done through lawful channels and methods).

There was a cop who bought a handgun for his father this way. He went to jail for it.

There is no wiggle room here. What you suggest is ILLEGAL! Not "liable".