High School Shooting In Florida

[BobaFetaCheese]

You know Que...we should have the military just carry 9mm's. They can double up on their magazines...and they will still fit in their hand too...

You know the 9 is the standard issue handgun in the military, right?

 

[warrior queen]

None of what anyone has posted (with a couple of exceptions) gives any possible solutions to the main question here..... how do you make it so another 17 families don't have to grieve the loss of family member in what should have been a safe place, a school?

The only thing I can see working in the short term is massively increased security.
Gated, secure, patrolled entrances to all schools. Metal detectors at each entrance. Security guards patrolling the perimiters. Bulletproof glass and solid external doors.
Make it so guns, knives, etc simply cannot be brought onto school grounds.
It can be done at prisons, so it can be done at schools.
Yes - it will cost a bit.
How much is it worth it to the parents and families to ensure this doesn't happen again?

By all means, keep your guns.
But make fucking sure your guns cannot get onto school grounds.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

None of what anyone has posted (with a couple of exceptions) gives any possible solutions to the main question here..... how do you make it so another 17 families don't have to grieve the loss of family member in what should have been a safe place, a school?

The only thing I can see working in the short term is massively increased security.
Gated, secure, patrolled entrances to all schools. Metal detectors at each entrance. Security guards patrolling the perimiters. Bulletproof glass and solid external doors.
Make it so guns, knives, etc simply cannot be brought onto school grounds.
It can be done at prisons, so it can be done at schools.
Yes - it will cost a bit.
How much is it worth it to the parents and families to ensure this doesn't happen again?

By all means, keep your guns.
But make fucking sure your guns cannot get onto school grounds.

Do you think this problem is going to be solved by a group of people on a porn site?
Nobody here has the answer. We're all just yapping our lips.

 

[warrior queen]

Do you think this problem is going to be solved by a group of people on a porn site?
Nobody here has the answer. We're all just yapping our lips.

Having a discussion about how to solve a problem, even if it is happening on a porn site, is just as good as anywhere else.
Given that almost none of us knows who anyone here really is, who's to say we don't have someone who is in government? Or congress? Or the NRA?
Discussions are infinitely better than ignoring the issue

 

[BotanyBoy]

The only thing I can see working in the short term is massively increased security.

That is the only immediate answer.

How much is it worth it to the parents and families to ensure this doesn't happen again?

That should be what every community should be asking themselves.

It wouldn't be much of a tax increase to provide some shit hot security for the local schools. Especially if they can manage to do it without bloating the spending on it to astro-fucking-nomical prices so that they or their friends are getting rich on it.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Having a discussion about how to solve a problem, even if it is happening on a porn site, is just as good as anywhere else.
Given that almost none of us knows who anyone here really is, who's to say we don't have someone who is in government? Or congress? Or the NRA?
Discussions are infinitely better than ignoring the issue

You've seen the "discussions" here, right? Yeah.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Well there you go.

If that's the answer, then you're not going to have ANY guns left.

ANY firearm could be used for this sort of attack. Some would have been more lethal.

 

[coachdb18]

That is the only immediate answer.



That should be what every community should be asking themselves.

It wouldn't be much of a tax increase to provide some shit hot security for the local schools. Especially if they can manage to do it without bloating the spending on it to astro-fucking-nomical prices so that they or their friends are getting rich on it.

I see an opportunity forming, where a lot of the mercenaries who used to work for the CIA taking out ISIS in Iraq and Syria are about to form the new 'Shit Hot Security, Inc', the new nationally recognized school security service.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

STOP THE PRESSES

The Florida Sate Legislature has found the solution to stop mass school shootings!

Florida lawmakers advance a bill that requires 'In God We Trust' displayed on school grounds

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

STOP THE PRESSES

The Florida Sate Legislature has found the solution to stop mass school shootings!

Florida lawmakers advance a bill that requires 'In God We Trust' displayed on school grounds

That's gonna go over like a fart in church with just about every court and it's insulting to pretty much everyone. Not because of God but because they dare to say it's any kind of remedy.
You choose to live in Florida you get what you deserve. Fuck that place.

 

[coachdb18]

The press conference earlier today with the Prime Minister of Australia is being hit for the laws that Australia no longer allows guns... maybe their politicians should outlaw some of those deadly snakes too, since just making a law works so well....

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well there you go.

If that's the answer, then you're not going to have ANY guns left.

LOL.....yea right sister, hit the PCP again and keep dreaming.

I see an opportunity forming, where a lot of the mercenaries who used to work for the CIA taking out ISIS in Iraq and Syria are about to form the new 'Shit Hot Security, Inc', the new nationally recognized school security service.

Operators never stop operating operationally.

Even the old timers still get up and hustle.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I didn't know that, and I bet no one knows that. "We" think its a particular kind of firearm or accessory.

If we can come up with a process of watertight access to crazies, why would I say no? And why would I say no to more school security?

You're going to have lots of people who say that will never be enough and we cannot guarantee a crazy will never get his hand on a gun, therefore, getting rid of the hardware is the solution.

All you've done now is made it clear they "all" have to go.

I agree with you, mostly, but they can all go, too

That's pretty much all guns.

Which is why the issue is ACCESS, not how scary it looks.
.

 

[AngusBridie]

I see an opportunity forming, where a lot of the mercenaries who used to work for the CIA taking out ISIS in Iraq and Syria are about to form the new 'Shit Hot Security, Inc', the new nationally recognized school security service.

thats kind of what i was leaning towards in a previous conversation.. Cops in school or outsource it, either way, its going to have to come out of the taxpayers pockets. I imagine "Shit Hot Security Inc" Wont come cheap.

 

[coachdb18]

I didn't know that, and I bet no one knows that. "We" think its a particular kind of firearm or accessory.

If we can come up with a process of watertight access to crazies, why would I say no? And why would I say no to more school security?

You're going to have lots of people who say that will never be enough and we cannot guarantee a crazy will never get his hand on a gun, therefore, getting rid of the hardware is the solution.

All you've done now is made it clear they "all" have to go.

I agree with you, mostly, but they can all go, too

The chances of getting rid of all guns exists in the same world that gets rid of all abortionists... it's a fixed set with the exact same probability statistic.

 

[coachdb18]

thats kind of what i was leaning towards in a previous conversation.. Cops in school or outsource it, either way, its going to have to come out of the taxpayers pockets. I imagine "Shit Hot Security Inc" Wont come cheap.

Here's a likely headline in the future:

'Shit Hot Security, Inc' found to be hiring and paying exorbitant tax funds in payroll to individuals with conceal carry permits

 

[BotanyBoy]

I didn't know that, and I bet no one knows that. "We" think its a particular kind of firearm or accessory.

Lots of people know that.

Only the super partisan (D)ick suckers who refuse to educate themselves on the topic because facts contradict their partisan lemming stupidity think that.

Anyone who know shit about guns knows this totally not an assault rifle...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/frs_15-tfb.jpeg

Is every bit as dangerous and deadly as an AR15 "assault rifle" because they fire the same bullets just as fast and uses the same operating mechanisms.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/8500-R-Mt92d8ha1p5g.jpg

Which is just as powerful and deadly as any other semi-auto .223/5.56mm rifle...like pee pawz "ranch" rifle. Different operation, still a semi-auto .223 with just as much firepower as an AR-15.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/files/2015/11/Shootingtimesministandard-final.jpg

All these guns shoot the exact same bullets just as fast.....yet the folks who want to ban "assault" weapons think only one of them needs to be banned because sooooooo scary looking.

Idiots. Total fucking idiots who don't know anything about guns but want to comment about gun control.

All you've done now is made it clear they "all" have to go.

I agree with you, mostly, but they can all go, too

And that just ain't happening....you have a much better chance of starting a 2nd civil war then you do legally repealing 2A and pulling off a total weapons confiscation.

If you want to live in a society that's totally banned guns then you just need to leave the USA, you live in the wrong country.

Here's a likely headline in the future:

'Shit Hot Security, Inc' found to be hiring and paying exorbitant tax funds in payroll to individuals with conceal carry permits

Hey if they want to give up their money!!! Why not??

 

[HisArpy]

None of what anyone has posted (with a couple of exceptions) gives any possible solutions to the main question here..... how do you make it so another 17 families don't have to grieve the loss of family member in what should have been a safe place, a school?

The only thing I can see working in the short term is massively increased security.
Gated, secure, patrolled entrances to all schools. Metal detectors at each entrance. Security guards patrolling the perimiters. Bulletproof glass and solid external doors.
Make it so guns, knives, etc simply cannot be brought onto school grounds.
It can be done at prisons, so it can be done at schools.
Yes - it will cost a bit.
How much is it worth it to the parents and families to ensure this doesn't happen again?

By all means, keep your guns.
But make fucking sure your guns cannot get onto school grounds.

So, instead of a school shooter actually going into the classrooms, he sits in a windowless van across the street and shoots as the kids funnel through the choke points you created? Remember, THE SHOOTER doesn't care if he's caught or dies, he just wants to slaughter.

You CANNOT stop these people without stopping THE PERSON DOING IT. None of the gun control laws, gun bans, security details, or the armoring of the exterior premises to keep the bad guy away will stop this. Thinking it will is lunacy because there is ALWAYS a way.

A strategy of only using defense is a losing strategy. Eventually someone will find a way to defeat your security measures. I just did it to your proposed solution in less than 1 day.

 

[Hypoxia]

Why? People like you won't care.

You just want to ban guns, you don't actually care about human life. If you did, you'd already be starting those threads yourself.

The words just slip in one ear and slide out the other, don't they? Or maybe you merely like to lie. I've repeatedly said here that controlling production, distribution, and possession of firearms in USA is impossible. Widespread bans or confiscation will not happen. So quit slinging that shit. If I don't care about human life, why did I take low-paid work as a civilian EMT and military medic? Quit slinging that shit. Look up the psychological term 'projection'. And last I looked, YOU were the one bitching about inadequate threads. So start some.

Let me be very clear so you won't spew the same shit again.

The 2nd Amendment invokes the need for a well-regulated militia for state security to justify public arms-bearing. Permitted arms are already limited by law. A SCOTUS ruling could force the creation of a national militia, yes a disciplined paramilitary organization, membership in which will be required for carrying firearms in public, with tight restrictions. Own and use as many firearms as you want in private. In public, be regulated, or be punished as a rogue. Carry near a school? Capitol offense.

I hope that's not too complex for you. Now stop making excuses.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Let me be very clear so you won't spew the same shit again.

The 2nd Amendment invokes the need for a well-regulated militia for state security to justify public arms-bearing.

No it doesn't, you illiterate moron.

Stop spreading that lie.

 

[richard_daily]

Jesus fucking christ you are stupid.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

Take a physics class when you go take that statistics class you need.

5.56 is a intermediate rifle cartridge. As such, it's one of the least deadly rifle cartridges out there in terms of "damage it can cause".

I know what ballistics are, and what kinds of rounds do the most damage. 5.56 is far less deadly than the rounds our actually "weapons of war" fired in WW2.

Do you know what a 30-06 is capable of doing to the human body?

Maybe you should go back and take that physics class that you're recommending other people take.

 

[St_mAnn]

https://i.imgur.com/NmBmTId.jpg

 

[richard_daily]

Yes, you're actually right. It must be some of our perceptions as we get older.

But now disgruntled kids or kids with a chip on their shoulder are trying to kill as many of their classmates as possible. That didn't happen years ago. It's bizarre.

Any theory you might latch on to try to explain it, besides the gun issue (the copycat 'cluster homicides' phenomenon, untreated mental illness, society becoming less moral or whatever) still doesn't fully explain it by itself.

I was thinking about this post over the past few hours, and I've got a couple of ideas around it.

I think we're more disconnected as a society, and as such, our kids are feeling far more isolated and alone.

I grew up before the internet was popular, and I remember taking walks by myself at a very young age, and I remember talking to strangers, and meeting people by myself, from maybe age 6 and on.

I can't imagine most kids doing that today.

Parents hover over their kids, and don't trust their kids ultimately. There's an element of controlling nature that a lot of kids today suffer through, and there aren't a lot of outlets for those things.

Kids need room to explore and grow on their own. They need to be able to fail and succeed on their own, and they need to be able to take risks. When we prevent them from taking those risks, we don't allow them to learn that there are repercussions for their failures. We don't teach them real-life consequences. I think that kids are way more sheltered today than they have ever been.

So we have over-medicated kids, who aren't getting adequate mental health treatment, and haven't been allowed to experience the world for themselves. I think that's ultimately what's different now from when I was a kid.

I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents.

 

[warrior queen]

So, instead of a school shooter actually going into the classrooms, he sits in a windowless van across the street and shoots as the kids funnel through the choke points you created? Remember, THE SHOOTER doesn't care if he's caught or dies, he just wants to slaughter.

You CANNOT stop these people without stopping THE PERSON DOING IT. None of the gun control laws, gun bans, security details, or the armoring of the exterior premises to keep the bad guy away will stop this. Thinking it will is lunacy because there is ALWAYS a way.

A strategy of only using defense is a losing strategy. Eventually someone will find a way to defeat your security measures. I just did it to your proposed solution in less than 1 day.

I did not say it was the only option, just that it was the only immediate way to make schools safer.
There are a lot of other things that could be done, but none of them are practcal whilst the grown-ups squabble amongst themselves the way they are now.

 

[AngusBridie]

Maybe the other kid was an asshole and deserved to get knocked upside the head, with a stick..