High School Shooting In Florida

[coachdb18]

People have been saying that "it's worse today than ever before" since the dawn of time.

Many also believe that the world is coming to an end in their lifetime, and have since the dawn of time. These two theories are both full of holes.

Are things different now than 50 years ago? Sure.

Is bullying worse than it was then? I find that a dubious claim at best.

What is the same as 50 years ago is human nature, and many of the agonies of teenage angst are pretty much timeless. But what is VASTLY different now from those years ago, is the sense of entitlement that has been instilled into kids now, that has never existed in history before. And not only are these kids fed a diet of entitlement, but they are also taught to be frail, wispy, incapable of dealing with adversity.

Put these newfound issues into the mix, and we get kids who have no coping skills with everyday life. THAT's the liberal message, and it's killing our future, and it's killing our kids.

 

[Que]

Lol, um, yes, that is EXACTLY the issue.

We would not be having this discussion if it were not for the AR-15 and all the other guns like it. Period. That's what it's all about.

It's basic, it's obvious, it's right in our face. YOu can stick your fingers in your ears and go "La la la la la" but we're not stupid. The problem is the GUN.

You are demented, selfish, and self-pitying.

Feel free to argue that no-one should have any gun, or that onerous hurdles should be erected, but don't talk about "basic" when you don't understand anything about firearms and how they operate other than the fact that they have a trigger and go bang.

All detachable magazine firearms are "guns like" an AR-15.

The AR-15 in .223 did not in any way make this slaughter of unarmed kids worse than any similar system, and was less deadly than many other options. Plenty of handgun rounds would have been far more deadly in this situation, and would have helped him blend in and continue to kill. The point to small-caliber, high velocity rounds is to maim, especially when fired indiscriminately as he did.

He picked an AR-15 because the histrionic sources in the disgusting media has told him that that's what "School Shooters" should use. They own this shooting, and the next one.

I wouldn't favor educating the uneducated such as yourself about why he fortunately chose poorly, but it's true whether you believe it or not.

 

[Dribble]

Feel free to argue that no-one should have any gun, or that onerous hurdles should be erected, but don't talk about "basic" when you don't understand anything about firearms and how they operate other than the fact that they have a trigger and go bang.

All detachable magazine firearms are "guns like" an AR-15.

The AR-15 in .223 did not in any way make this slaughter of unarmed kids worse than any similar system, and was less deadly than many other options. Plenty of handgun rounds would have been far more deadly in this situation, and would have helped him blend in and continue to kill. The point to small-caliber, high velocity rounds is to maim, especially when fired indiscriminately as he did.

He picked an AR-15 because the histrionic sources in the disgusting media has told him that that's what "School Shooters" should use. They own this shooting, and the next one.

I wouldn't favor educating the uneducated such as yourself about why he fortunately chose poorly, but it's true whether you believe it or not.

Jesus fucking christ you are stupid.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

Take a physics class when you go take that statistics class you need.

 

[Que]

What is the same as 50 years ago is human nature, and many of the agonies of teenage angst are pretty much timeless. But what is VASTLY different now from those years ago, is the sense of entitlement that has been instilled into kids now, that has never existed in history before. And not only are these kids fed a diet of entitlement, but they are also taught to be frail, wispy, incapable of dealing with adversity.

Put these newfound issues into the mix, and we get kids who have no coping skills with everyday life. THAT's the liberal message, and it's killing our future, and it's killing our kids.

The most glaring difference and definitely relevant in the shooting is that they know that they can "be somebody" by doing this.

Getting your name in the paper and a mention in a book somewhere 100 years ago was about all of the glory such a disgusting human being could hope to get. Even when we had Nightly News 50 years ago, that was a brief segment. Now you can dominate the news cycle for weeks, have the news breathlessly report your name and your body count like it's some kind of scorekeeping game. If you get a body count on the board you will be mentioned in perpetuity every time someone else does it. It's their way to achieve immortality and it definitely works.

 

[Que]

Jesus fucking christ you are stupid.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

Take a physics class when you go take that statistics class you need.

you know even less about guns than she does the whole point to a 9mm round is that the magazine will still fit in your hand when you double stack the rounds.

 

[briie]

People have been saying that "it's worse today than ever before" since the dawn of time.

Many also believe that the world is coming to an end in their lifetime, and have since the dawn of time. These two theories are both full of holes.

Are things different now than 50 years ago? Sure.

Is bullying worse than it was then? I find that a dubious claim at best.

Yes, you're actually right. It must be some of our perceptions as we get older.

But now disgruntled kids or kids with a chip on their shoulder are trying to kill as many of their classmates as possible. That didn't happen years ago. It's bizarre.

Any theory you might latch on to try to explain it, besides the gun issue (the copycat 'cluster homicides' phenomenon, untreated mental illness, society becoming less moral or whatever) still doesn't fully explain it by itself.

 

[Dribble]

you know even less about guns than she does the whole point to a 9mm round is that the magazine will still fit in your hand when you double stack the rounds.

You obviously can't read either...or take the time to read.

Where do you live? How about we meet up and head on down to the local ER? Let's ask doctors if they are the same....

 

[Dribble]

You know Que...we should have the military just carry 9mm's. They can double up on their magazines...and they will still fit in their hand too...

 

[HisArpy]

You obviously can't read either...or take the time to read.

Where do you live? How about we meet up and head on down to the local ER? Let's ask doctors if they are the same....

A doctor who doesn't shoot and has no knowledge of guns, ammunition, or ballistics can't tell you if they "are the same" or not. He doesn't know.

What he does know is trauma. And any trauma specialist will tell you that a pointy object .22 inches in diameter, traveling at 2500 FPS, is going to go straight through the soft tissues of the human body. Even if that object is a sharpened twig it'll go straight through.

And he might be able to tell you an object .358 inches in diameter, traveling at 1200 FPS, which expands to around .5 inches upon impact, and which also transfers ALL of it's kinetic energy into the body, will do a HELLUVA LOT more physical damage to the body.

And neither one actually kills unless it hits a vital organ like the heart or brain. It's usually shock and/or blood loss that does that, not the wound itself.

 

[briie]

What is the same as 50 years ago is human nature, and many of the agonies of teenage angst are pretty much timeless. But what is VASTLY different now from those years ago, is the sense of entitlement that has been instilled into kids now, that has never existed in history before. And not only are these kids fed a diet of entitlement, but they are also taught to be frail, wispy, incapable of dealing with adversity.

Put these newfound issues into the mix, and we get kids who have no coping skills with everyday life. THAT's the liberal message, and it's killing our future, and it's killing our kids.

I never understood why Milenials get such a bad rap.

Yes, they have their faults, some of them were more molicoddled than Xers, and more 'narcissistic' from that pov, so to speak.
But I found many of them to be far more tolerant of others, and more likely to look for the best in others, than our generations.

 

[Que]

You obviously can't read either...or take the time to read.

Where do you live? How about we meet up and head on down to the local ER? Let's ask doctors if they are the same....

Where did I say they are the same? Where did I make any specific recommendation and how did you determine that my recommendation would be a 9 mm?

He, evidently, with (hundreds?) of rounds hit 28 people. I think it is fair to say he wanted to hit and kill more people than that to build his "glory" that you people are giving him. Of the 28 completely defenseless people in a crowded school of thousands, he killed 17. The 11 survivors likely would have bled out in the several minutes it took to get to them, had the been hit with a different round.

I'm glad he knew as little about guns and ammunition as you do.

 

[Pookie]

What is the same as 50 years ago is human nature, and many of the agonies of teenage angst are pretty much timeless. But what is VASTLY different now from those years ago, is the sense of entitlement that has been instilled into kids now, that has never existed in history before. And not only are these kids fed a diet of entitlement, but they are also taught to be frail, wispy, incapable of dealing with adversity.

Put these newfound issues into the mix, and we get kids who have no coping skills with everyday life. THAT's the liberal message, and it's killing our future, and it's killing our kids.

Jeebus Christ on Social Security. You seriously need to turn off Fox News and leave the nursing home for a few hours. Sheesh.

 

[briie]

I never understood why Milenials get such a bad rap.

Yes, they have their faults, some of them were more molicoddled than Xers, and more 'narcissistic' from that pov, so to speak.
But I found many of them to be far more tolerant of others, and more likely to look for the best in others, than our generations.

Which kind of contradicts my earlier assumption about bullying in schools.
But whatever.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's fine, but you neglect to mention the biggest issue: the type of guns.

Because it's only an issue in the minds of the people who know nothing about guns.

What kind of guns do you think are a problem?

No one gives a crap if people keep handguns or pistols in their house or rifles for hunting.

Why not? Handguns account for about 90% of all gun violence in the US on any given year.

If ANYTHING they should be on the chopping block.

Gun nuts would never have to worry about their "rights" WERE IT NOT FOR THESE MASS KILLINGS WITH WEAPONS OF WAR. That's the problem.

What weapons of war?

Everything you say here could apply to a little .22. But you have to address the fact that this fuckhead could kill 17 people in 3 minutes, and blast apart their internal organs "like smashed fruit."

He did that with a little .22......that's what an AR15 is...a semi automatic little .22.

You're just hyped up because it's SCARY looking, and you're too ignorant to understand it's not a military weapon...WHICH ARE LEGAL!!! But not a problem.

Access is the issue, not how scary the model looks to the ignorant.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You obviously can't read either...or take the time to read.

Where do you live? How about we meet up and head on down to the local ER? Let's ask doctors if they are the same....

Little Queerbait is just flailing desperately trying to deflect attention away from the easy availability of rapid fire semi-automatic weapons.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Jesus fucking christ you are stupid.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

Take a physics class when you go take that statistics class you need.

Take a small arms class......learn something about guns, like their basic classifications and functions then get back to us.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Little Queerbait is just flailing desperately trying to deflect attention away from the easy availability of rapid fire semi-automatic weapons.

Semi-automatic =/=rapid fire....semi-automatic = 1 bullet per 1 trigger pull.

More ignorance and dishonesty from RDS.

 

[Que]

Little Queerbait is just flailing desperately trying to deflect attention away from the easy availability of rapid fire semi-automatic weapons.

Was the guatd that you ran and hid behind after shoving that black woman to the ground armed with a "rapid-fire semi-automatic" steel penis extension or a "slow-fire" single action revolver?

 

[St_mAnn]

Someone's desert panties are in a twist.

*chuckles*

 

[Carnal_Flower]

1. Whatev.

You and Bitter Boy and everyone else knows exactly what I mean.

I know squat about guns (yay). Whatever allows these fuckers to kill that many in that short a time with that much damage: you tell me everything that qualifies.

My advice to you gun nuts out there is you better get on top of this issue fast. You better make it real damn simple, because the tide is coming.

You see what's happening with companies now making very public announcements to sever ties with the NRA? You see even Rick Scott forcing .0001% concessions out of his skeletal mouth? They know it's coming. It's your problem now.

2. I completely agree with you on this:

He picked an AR-15 because the histrionic sources in the disgusting media has told him that that's what "School Shooters" should use.

Like I said, the media is 75% responsible. He said he wanted to be a "professional school shooter." He thought it was a way to have an identity. He wanted the infamy and his name on a list. They would not do this shit if they didn't know they would get famous, period. We've had war machines LIKE the AR-15 forever, but we did not have "school shooters" forever. The only new thing in the mix is now it's a "thing" for them to think about and copy. The media and the internet tells them exactly how to do it.

Which is why I said we need a broad approach considering this AS WELL.

Feel free to argue that no-one should have any gun, or that onerous hurdles should be erected, but don't talk about "basic" when you don't understand anything about firearms and how they operate other than the fact that they have a trigger and go bang.

All detachable magazine firearms are "guns like" an AR-15.

The AR-15 in .223 did not in any way make this slaughter of unarmed kids worse than any similar system, and was less deadly than many other options. Plenty of handgun rounds would have been far more deadly in this situation, and would have helped him blend in and continue to kill. The point to small-caliber, high velocity rounds is to maim, especially when fired indiscriminately as he did.

He picked an AR-15 because the histrionic sources in the disgusting media has told him that that's what "School Shooters" should use. They own this shooting, and the next one.

I wouldn't favor educating the uneducated such as yourself about why he fortunately chose poorly, but it's true whether you believe it or not.

 

[BotanyBoy]

1. Whatev.

You and Bitter Boy and everyone else knows exactly what I mean.

Not really, it's totally nonsensical when you start picking on one gun simply because of it's looks.

It's like the hallmark of the totally gun ignorant who want to talk gun policy.

I know squat about guns (yay). Whatever allows these fuckers to kill that many in that short a time with that much damage: you tell me everything that qualifies.

That's pretty much all guns.

Which is why the issue is ACCESS, not how scary it looks.

My advice to you gun nuts out there is you better get on top of this issue fast. You better make it real damn simple, because the tide is coming.

No it's not...even with all the outrage and media help.

The best ya'll will get is another accessories ban and we'll still be rocking stuff like this...

Totally not an assault rifle....semi-auto .223/5.56mm NATO....just like an AR-15.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/frs_15-tfb.jpeg

And they will fly off the shelves because a bunch of idiots who don't know shit about guns wrote another dumb ass "assault" weapons ban while totally failing to address the real issues, like access to weapons and basic school security practices.

But hey, (D) will sell the accessories ban derp to you, all you need is their approval and you're behind it no matter what so I'm done wasting my breath on you.

 

[Que]

Someone's desert panties are in a twist.

*chuckles*

Some coward sent in an alt because he lost face with his idiotic post.

 

[Que]

1. Whatev.

You and Bitter Boy and everyone else knows exactly what I mean.

I know squat about guns (yay). Whatever allows these fuckers to kill that many in that short a time with that much damage: you tell me everything that qualifies.

My advice to you gun nuts out there is you better get on top of this issue fast. You better make it real damn simple, because the tide is coming.

You see what's happening with companies now making very public announcements to sever ties with the NRA? You see even Rick Scott forcing .0001% concessions out of his skeletal mouth? They know it's coming. It's your problem now.

2. I completely agree with you on this:



Like I said, the media is 75% responsible. He said he wanted to be a "professional school shooter." He thought it was a way to have an identity. He wanted the infamy and his name on a list. They would not do this shit if they didn't know they would get famous, period. We've had war machines LIKE the AR-15 forever, but we did not have "school shooters" forever. The only new thing in the mix is now it's a "thing" for them to think about and copy. The media and the internet tells them exactly how to do it.

Which is why I said we need a broad approach considering this AS WELL.

ANY firearm could be used for this sort of attack. Some would have been more lethal.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Flailing, flailing, over the general board....

"but...but...ANY firearm!"

 

[BotanyBoy]

ANY firearm could be used for this sort of attack. Some would have been more lethal.

Most of the "hunting" rifles far more so.

You can take some .223/5.7/7.62x39 and most pistol rounds and survive it. If they don't get a CNS/heart or major artery/vein hit you can live quite a while.

You get into the force category of your faster 30 cal's or larger/faster? That's a 1 hitter quitter.

If it connects, it's OVER, immediately.