High School Shooting In Florida

[richard_daily]

What are kids going through today?

The numbers aren't even close. It shot up from 1, 2, maybe --gasp -- 4, but Columbine started the mass shooting phenomenon with semi-automatics we see today. It all started ramping up in frequency in the late 90s; but Columbine started the "mass" shooting with 15 killed. To even compare is ridiculous. To think you know what kids are going through today is laughable.

Uh, I'm focusing on "the outrageous" because "the outrageous" is now the norm.

And your only response seems to be: Suck it up, kids. In MY day we didn't complain. Yeah, maybe because you never faced an AR-15.

Well the Dems have been pro-control for all that time, and they haven't been "sunk." It's not like it's new. They didn't get gun control overnight.

96% of Americans, including something like 75% of NRA members, want more legislation. You can stick with the 4%, they will lose eventually. I am totally confidant the NRA will be history, sooner rather than later.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Why are you asking? According to you, it's "nothing new."

What are kids going through today?

 

[bellisarius]

I don't think that people are asking for a Martial law sort of measure where the Army would go door to door and confiscate all guns. It carries the risk of disarming only the law abiding citizens, while gangs and criminals will hold on to their guns.

People are asking for stringent gun control.
Despite all your justifications and what's written on paper, things are spiralling out of control.
Moreover, several days after the shooting there was a gun show; organizers didn't even have the decency to stop it cause money.




In this day and age, even arming schools or barbed wire and metal detectors wouldn't be outlandish; it might make any potential shooter to think twice.

Although I keep imagining this scenario: What if one of us travelled to the future? What would they see if you gun lovers got your way? A dystopian world in which Schools look like bunkers and the entire population was armed to their teeth.

I have to wonder if you have a clue as to how many 'gun control' laws are already on the books? I also wonder if you understand that those of us that have firearms and use them responsibly have been demanding for decades that the authorities ENFORCE the laws that already exist?

And exactly what do you mean by "stringent?"

Lastly there have been surveys done of the military and one of the questions was, "If ordered would you go door to door to disarm the citizenry?" Fully 65% of the military officers asked stated that they would refuse to obey that order. The obvious point there is that any such order by the government would turn the military against itself and most likely against the government.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I have to wonder if you have a clue as to how many 'gun control' laws are already on the books? I also wonder if you understand that those of us that have firearms and use them responsibly have been demanding for decades that the authorities ENFORCE the laws that already exist?

And exactly what do you mean by "stringent?"

Lastly there have been surveys done of the military and one of the questions was, "If ordered would you go door to door to disarm the citizenry?" Fully 65% of the military officers asked stated that they would refuse to obey that order. The obvious point there is that any such order by the government would turn the military against itself and most likely against the government.

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/betweentheshadows/files/2015/05/Straw-Man.jpg

 

[Carnal_Flower]

By the way, for anyone who says it was "the same' back in the day:

Phone footage shows classroom terror during Florida school shooting

Feel free to share your own experience, any time

 

[coachdb18]

In this day and age, even arming schools or barbed wire and metal detectors wouldn't be outlandish; they might deter some of the potential shooters.

Although I keep imagining this scenario: What if one of us travelled to the future? What would they see if gun lovers got their way? A dystopian world in which schools looked like bunkers, and most people were armed to their teeth.

You travel every day in the presence of conceal carry individuals, but never know it. And you've not only never been harmed by them, but are in a zone of protection they provide you, without your having any knowledge of it. But the places that have been designated 'gun free' set an exclusionary boundary to the protections you're afforded, in addition to the exclusion of those who carry to protect themselves. They not only might, but do deter some of the potential shooters. That which doesn't happen, however, doesn't make the news.

 

[Sean]

You travel every day in the presence of conceal carry individuals, but never know it. And you've not only never been harmed by them, but are in a zone of protection they provide you, without your having any knowledge of it. But the places that have been designated 'gun free' set an exclusionary boundary to the protections you're afforded, in addition to the exclusion of those who carry to protect themselves. They not only might, but do deter some of the potential shooters. That which doesn't happen, however, doesn't make the news.

By this logic, the US should be the safest country in the world. How come your murder rate is way higher than every other Western nation?

 

[Nicegirl111]

By the way, for anyone who says it was "the same' back in the day:

Phone footage shows classroom terror during Florida school shooting

Feel free to share your own experience, any time

NEVER ,,,,,was it the same people had values and Maybe parents taught their children about respect for guns and other people. And a biggy for me. Beat the shit out of her kids for doing wrong

 

[briie]

I have to wonder if you have a clue as to how many 'gun control' laws are already on the books? I also wonder if you understand that those of us that have firearms and use them responsibly have been demanding for decades that the authorities ENFORCE the laws that already exist?

And exactly what do you mean by "stringent?"

Lastly there have been surveys done of the military and one of the questions was, "If ordered would you go door to door to disarm the citizenry?" Fully 65% of the military officers asked stated that they would refuse to obey that order. The obvious point there is that any such order by the government would turn the military against itself and most likely against the government.

Yes, that was a hyperbole but what I was trying to get at was:
In all these debates, too often I noticed that one party assumes the worst about their 'opponent', or that they have unreasonable or unrealistic demmands.

It's valid for both sides, but of course I was speaking from the point of view of an 'anti-gun' person.

I have to wonder if you have a clue as to how many 'gun control' laws are already on the books? I also wonder if you understand that those of us that have firearms and use them responsibly have been demanding for decades that the authorities ENFORCE the laws that already exist?

And exactly what do you mean by "stringent?"

No, I don't know much about guns and gun laws, and I didn't know about your guys' stance on this. It would be good if so many gun advocates were more vocal about this instead of just being defensive or trying to scapegoat mental health services.

But notwitstanding our lack of familiarity with the law, one thing is clear:
those kids should have never been in possession of firearms, and some of them were underage. And the Las Vegas shooter and the Parkland shooter were in possession of a huge arsenal of weapons. Why do authorities allow that?

 

[Dribble]

Trump met with a few "survivor" families today. A photo of his notes he had as he walk in...had a reminder to say "I hear you". Seriously...who needs a note? You people elected a fucking moron. You must be so fucking proud

 

[Sean]

Trump met with a few "survivor" families today. A photo of his notes he had as he walk in...had a reminder to say "I hear you". Seriously...who needs a note? You people elected a fucking moron. You must be so fucking proud

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWmLTgQXUAYNpUc.jpg

 

[coachdb18]

By the way, for anyone who says it was "the same' back in the day:

Phone footage shows classroom terror during Florida school shooting

Feel free to share your own experience, any time

As this video, (produced by the government), clearly shows, the plan in place is flawless, and we shouldn't try to challenge an adversary lest we provoke them, right? Taking a strong stand vs going into the fetal position and placing your head firmly between your knees is the only thing that will work, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6bd5cP7LZY

 

[St_mAnn]

As this video, (produced by the government), clearly shows, the plan in place is flawless, and we shouldn't try to challenge an adversary lest we provoke them, right? Taking a strong stand vs going into the fetal position and placing your head firmly between your knees is the only thing that will work, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6bd5cP7LZY

It gets queefy through life.

 

[richard_daily]

Why are you asking? According to you, it's "nothing new."

But you're telling me that you know better. Please tell me what the kids are going through that I'm unaware of.

 

[richard_daily]

By the way, for anyone who says it was "the same' back in the day:

Phone footage shows classroom terror during Florida school shooting

Feel free to share your own experience, any time

Did you have cell phones as a kid?

How are we supposed to "share our own experience"?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Fine: I'll stipulate that you know what kids are going through (see video above).

I'd like to know how this is "the same" as what you went through back in the day.

If you know, and still claim "nothing's new," I presume you've had some experience with active shooter drills and active shooters with a semi-automatic in your classroom? Care to share?

But you're telling me that you know better. Please tell me what the kids are going through that I'm unaware of.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Feel free to explain it in your own words.

Did you have cell phones as a kid?

How are we supposed to "share our own experience"?

 

[richard_daily]

Fine: I'll stipulate that you know what kids are going through (see video above).

I'd like to know how this is "the same" as what you went through back in the day.

If you know, and still claim "nothing's new," I presume you've had some experience with active shooter drills and active shooters with a semi-automatic in your classroom? Care to share?

Actually, full-auto.

I had a Latin King threaten me with a Mac 10 Sophomore year because I was sleeping with a girl he liked. Had a fake gang jump me for similar reasons later on that same year, when another girl came to school with hickeys on her chest that I gave her and she was showing them off.

I'd say that these kids are doing ok, but they've got some catching up to do.

 

[Dribble]

He walked uphill through snow up to his ass both going and coming from school.

What kinda shocks me...is how fast information is distributed and then picked up as fact by the Republican base once the Russian bot factories releases it...I guess it is easier when that is one of FOX News sources.

 

[bellisarius]

Yes, that was a hyperbole but what I was trying to get at was:
In all these debates, too often I noticed that one party assumes the worst about their 'opponent', or that they have unreasonable or unrealistic demmands.

It's valid for both sides, but of course I was speaking from the point of view of an 'anti-gun' person.



No, I don't know much about guns and gun laws, and I didn't know about your guys' stance on this. It would be good if so many gun advocates were more vocal about this instead of just being defensive or trying to scapegoat mental health services.

But notwitstanding our lack of familiarity with the law, one thing is clear:
those kids should have never been in possession of firearms, and some of them were underage. And the Las Vegas shooter and the Parkland shooter were in possession of a huge arsenal of weapons. Why do authorities allow that?

What constitutes an arsenal? Give me a number. Is there a threshold that differentiates a small arsenal from a medium arsenal versus a huge arsenal? The fact remains that no matter how huge my arsenal is, I'm still stuck with only being able to shoot one at a time.

I knew an old gentleman that owned hundreds of guns, modern and antique. He owned an example of every gun that Colt ever manufactured save one, a 9 inch Colt Paterson. The most recent 9" Paterson that sold at auction went for $977,500. Should the government have taken all of his guns away over a certain number? Which guns? Just all of the Colt revolving rifles? Or maybe all of his Winchester Model 94 commemoratives.

 

[richard_daily]

Let's see, on top of that, I saw a kid I knew get murdered for walking down the street and someone thinking he was in a gang (he wasn't). Have seen multiple stabbings, including one of a close friend of mine. I have witnessed a lot more violence as a teen than any of the kids in that high school have seen, guaranteed. It was a weekly occurrence when I was growing up.

 

[Dribble]

Let's see, on top of that, I saw a kid I knew get murdered for walking down the street and someone thinking he was in a gang (he wasn't). Have seen multiple stabbings, including one of a close friend of mine. I have witnessed a lot more violence as a teen than any of the kids in that high school have seen, guaranteed. It was a weekly occurrence when I was growing up.

And look at how fucking healthy and stable you are...

 

[richard_daily]

He walked uphill through snow up to his ass both going and coming from school.

What kinda shocks me...is how fast information is distributed and then picked up as fact by the Republican base once the Russian bot factories releases it...I guess it is easier when that is one of FOX News sources.

See, what's funny, is that you would lose your shit if I made fun of these kids for their experience.

But double standards are nothing new for folks like you, right?

 

[richard_daily]

And look at how fucking healthy and stable you are...

Actually I am quite healthy and stable. I have never committed an act of violence towards a partner, never been abusive towards anyone, and I volunteer regularly with the underprivileged, and with a couple of other agencies throughout the area.

Considering how I grew up, and how many of the people I grew up with are dead or in jail, I'd say I did very well for myself, and I'm definitely a lot more stable than many of the folks on here.

Can you say that same?

Your class privilege is showing, by the way.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

You travel every day in the presence of conceal carry individuals, but never know it. And you've not only never been harmed by them, but are in a zone of protection they provide you, without your having any knowledge of it. But the places that have been designated 'gun free' set an exclusionary boundary to the protections you're afforded, in addition to the exclusion of those who carry to protect themselves. They not only might, but do deter some of the potential shooters. That which doesn't happen, however, doesn't make the news.

ROFLMAO! What a total crock of SHIT!

But I will say you seem sincere. Come on "but are in a zone of protection they provide you" I mean you cannot make this shit up! And you really believe it. Wow - too fucking funny.

Tell me more - Do you think Hillary ran a sex ring out of a pizza place? Do you think George Soros is actually orchestrating the students’ activism in Florida? Do you think that because one of the more outspoken survivors has a Dad in the FBI he is an FBI anti-Trump puppet?