High School Shooting In Florida

[BobaFetaCheese]

No, you have Kinder Joy. The toy is packaged outside of the chocolate, right?

So we don't want to choke on shit. Plus ours is better. I never eat candy but damn.

 

[St_mAnn]

Kids in Florida are leaving school in protest of government non action and to support victims of America's favourite pass-time.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

They committed the crime (your words) therefore, the law is working: it defined what they did as a crime, and put them in jail.

If there were no law against rape, the perp would just do what he wanted with no consequences.

And yes, the law did protect victims: the next victim of the perp who got arrested.

Future victims are protected and he's in jail: the law is working.

That's another definition I can add. A law is "working" when it defines something as a crime that wouldn't be otherwise and pursues justice in a court of law. Working.

You still only have the Bitter Boy Dumb Shit Argument: Laws don't work because crime happens.

But they still committed the crime and the cops didn't protect any victims....just as in most cases.

You can make up all the ascription you want...still your fantasy.

 

[warrior queen]

In Canada the toy is inside the chocolate.

Last time I checked, Canada and America were different countries

 

[Que]

Last time I checked, Canada and America were different countries

Not according to BobsUpNorth. Evidently, you need a passport to leave Houston, Canada.

 

[Hypoxia]

Wondering just how many times you had to worry about active shooters when you were in school?

In my elementary school outside Los Angeles it was shin-kicking trolls, drivers who didn't obey the crossing guard, and duck-and-cover nuclear drills (targets were nearby). Schoolyard fights with rocks were serious.

In Jr High it was the usual bullies, more dodging reckless drivers, and the announcement that the president had been shot and killed.

In High School, especially after we moved near a state prison, it was gangs with sticks and chains who mostly whomped each other. And the prospect that graduating guys would be drafted for VietNam and graduating gals would get knocked up before their guys went off to die.

In adult high in San Francisco, no violence at all. No time for that.

I always made my own way to and from school. (Except in terrible weather.) Now... my grandkids in San Francisco are always driven to the secure entrance of their public school. Our local (Mother Lode country) rural high school has weapons spotters and yes, there was a 'minor' terror incident at the county courthouse next to the HS.

STOP THE INSANITY use to be a cheesy sales pitch. Now it's a necessity.

 

[BobBalouski]

Kids in Florida are leaving school in protest of government non action and to support victims of America's favourite pass-time.

Have they adopted the pink pussy hat thing, too?

 

[BobBalouski]

And yet.... they are just as much at risk of being gunned down by a maniac with an AR 15.



I didn't say hardship. I said fear and risk.
Everyone has hardships.
Not everyone has to fear going to school.

Wondering just how many times you had to worry about active shooters when you were in school?

Some say there're >350 million firearms in the US, and wanker queen and her progressive unicorn fart snorting fellows gotta spread their snowflake wings to create school kids as some wannabe special class that's somehow - magically - affected more...

While she champions her sex's "right" to intentionally & tortuously kill the completely innocent & totally defenseless little human life that NATURALLY matures within them, simply for convenience.

Fuck outta here, wannabe.

 

[BobBalouski]

America - where Kinder Surprise chocolates are banned as they are deemed too risky, but any parent can buy their kiddies pretty coloured guns

Australia -

 

[warrior queen]

Some say there're >350 million firearms in the US, and wanker queen and her progressive unicorn fart snorting fellows gotta spread their snowflake wings to create school kids as some wannabe special class that's somehow - magically - affected more...

While she champions her sex's "right" to intentionally & tortuously kill the completely innocent & totally defenseless little human life that NATURALLY matures within them, simply for convenience.

Fuck outta here, wannabe.

You don't have kids, right?

 

[richard_daily]

In my elementary school outside Los Angeles it was shin-kicking trolls, drivers who didn't obey the crossing guard, and duck-and-cover nuclear drills (targets were nearby). Schoolyard fights with rocks were serious.

In Jr High it was the usual bullies, more dodging reckless drivers, and the announcement that the president had been shot and killed.

In High School, especially after we moved near a state prison, it was gangs with sticks and chains who mostly whomped each other. And the prospect that graduating guys would be drafted for VietNam and graduating gals would get knocked up before their guys went off to die.

In adult high in San Francisco, no violence at all. No time for that.

I always made my own way to and from school. (Except in terrible weather.) Now... my grandkids in San Francisco are always driven to the secure entrance of their public school. Our local (Mother Lode country) rural high school has weapons spotters and yes, there was a 'minor' terror incident at the county courthouse next to the HS.

STOP THE INSANITY use to be a cheesy sales pitch. Now it's a necessity.

There were plenty of school shootings when I was in high school.

It just wasn't used as political fodder the way it is today.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[BobBalouski]

You're not a progressive, perpetual wannabe mommy over everybody, right?

You are correct, sir.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

When was that? Columbine was only in 1999. There is no "back in my youth." That is a ridiculous comment.

And what's your point? Back then people just shut up and accepted it?

Quit your griping and just accept the fact that you might got murdered, you whiny little brats. And while you're at it, get off my lawn you hippies!

There were plenty of school shootings when I was in high school.

It just wasn't used as political fodder the way it is today.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[briie]

They are being encouraged to walk out by groups that hate guns.

The kids are pawns.

I have heard them speak. They did not organize this by themselves.

They have a right to protest, and I support that right. Good for them for getting involved in civics.

I heard them speak and some of them sounded indeed like adults. Of course their parents, uncles and aunts and grandparents must have helped them with this too.

Yes, every genuine movement eventually gets partially hijacked by interest groups. It's outrageous that they're trying to do it with these kids as well.

You all gun nuts are failing to read the pulse of an entire nation that is outraged and worried for these kids.

 

[coachdb18]

I heard them speak and some of them sounded indeed like adults. Of course their parents, uncles and aunts and grandparents must have helped them with this too.

Yes, every genuine movement eventually gets partially hijacked by interest groups. It's outrageous that they're trying to do it with these kids as well.

You all gun nuts are failing to read the pulse of an entire nation that is outraged and worried for these kids.

Had there been a conceal carry on site, and the incident had been one person shot and killed by a deranged kid, but the conceal carry had saved 16 other lives by shooting him in the head, would that have made you feel worse?

Yes, an entire nation is outraged, but for all the wrong reasons. We should be outraged that 16 people died that had a chance to fight back that was taken from them by silly laws with feel-good strategies that simply failed these kids. It's time for the emotions to give way to the practical solution of a real defense. The present tactics are as silly now as 'Bert the Turtle' duck and cover drills for a nuclear attack were in the 1950's... or should we bring back CONALRAD radio?

 

[Hypoxia]

Turn yourself in now, traitor. Kim doesn't want you back.

Had there been a conceal carry on site, and the incident had been one person shot and killed by a deranged kid, but the conceal carry had saved 16 other lives by shooting him in the head, would that have made you feel worse?

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[richard_daily]

When was that? Columbine was only in 1999. There is no "back in my youth." That is a ridiculous comment.

And what's your point? Back then people just shut up and accepted it?

Quit your griping and just accept the fact that you might got murdered, you whiny little brats. And while you're at it, get off my lawn you hippies!

Well before Columbine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

I know that you want to focus on the outrageous... but school shootings are nothing new. And nothing you're proposing will make them go away.

But hey, invest all of your time and energy sinking the Democratic Party. It's your titanic, you can cry if you want to.

 

[coachdb18]

When I was a kid growing up, we were scared by our government. We received videos of our city being hit with a nuclear bomb, and were told to run and hide, under our desks, while putting our heads between our legs and waiting for the bright flash until the mushroom cloud dissipated. The government produced the now infamous 'Bert the Turtle' video, in which a little turtle named Bert gets a warning that a nuclear attack is underway, and pulls himself inside his shell to wait it out.

And now we come to the 2018 version, when kids are told there's an active shooter. We've laughed about those videos as an example of the governments inadequacy to keep us safe, and now we have a 'Bert the Turtle ducks, covers, and gets a therapy dog thus avoiding the active shooter'. Truth is, we brought the cold war to an end by promising 'Mutual Assured Destruction'. We need to adopt at least a deterrence for active shooters, not a duck and cover turtle.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

When was that? Columbine was only in 1999. There is no "back in my youth." That is a ridiculous comment.

And what's your point? Back then people just shut up and accepted it?

Quit your griping and just accept the fact that you might got murdered, you whiny little brats. And while you're at it, get off my lawn you hippies!

Do you honestly think Columbine was the first one?

 

[BotanyBoy]

And yes, the law did protect victims

If there are victims, the law failed to protect them.

That's another definition I can add. A law is "working" when it defines something as a crime that wouldn't be otherwise and pursues justice in a court of law. Working.

The war on drugs meets all those requirements.

How's that working out

 

[phrodeau]

There are well-organized well-financed anti-gun groups with a massive presence in Florida? First I've heard about it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And yet.... they are just as much at risk of being gunned down by a maniac with an AR 15.

Much higher risk, they are in in school, our pols and elites including nearly all the anti-gun ones are almost all protected by....wait for it!

People with guns.

I didn't say hardship. I said fear and risk.
Everyone has hardships.

Tell that to our combat vets who are up there.

Not everyone has to fear going to school.

Nope...but they should.

Wondering just how many times you had to worry about active shooters when you were in school?

All through HS because I was aware.

Not so much at university...because I had a Glock in my man purse.

 

[briie]

I don't think that people are asking for a Martial Law type of measure, for the Army to go door to door and confiscate all guns. That would carry the risk of disarming only the law abiding citizens, while gangs and criminals would hold on to their guns.

People are asking for stringent gun control.
Despite all your justifications and what's written on paper, things are spiraling out of control.
Moreover, several days after the shooting there was a gun show; organizers didn't even have the decency to stop it cause money.

Had there been a conceal carry on site, and the incident had been one person shot and killed by a deranged kid, but the conceal carry had saved 16 other lives by shooting him in the head, would that have made you feel worse?

Yes, an entire nation is outraged, but for all the wrong reasons. We should be outraged that 16 people died that had a chance to fight back that was taken from them by silly laws with feel-good strategies that simply failed these kids. It's time for the emotions to give way to the practical solution of a real defense. The present tactics are as silly now as 'Bert the Turtle' duck and cover drills for a nuclear attack were in the 1950's... or should we bring back CONALRAD radio?

In this day and age, even arming schools or barbed wire and metal detectors wouldn't be outlandish; they might deter some of the potential shooters.

Although I keep imagining this scenario: What if one of us travelled to the future? What would they see if gun lovers got their way? A dystopian world in which schools looked like bunkers, and most people were armed to their teeth.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

The numbers aren't even close. It shot up from 1, 2, maybe --gasp -- 4, but Columbine started the mass shooting phenomenon with semi-automatics we see today. It all started ramping up in frequency in the late 90s; but Columbine started the "mass" shooting with 15 killed. To even compare is ridiculous. To think you know what kids are going through today is laughable.

Uh, I'm focusing on "the outrageous" because "the outrageous" is now the norm.

And your only response seems to be: Suck it up, kids. In MY day we didn't complain. Yeah, maybe because you never faced an AR-15.

Well the Dems have been pro-control for all that time, and they haven't been "sunk." It's not like it's new. They didn't get gun control overnight.

96% of Americans, including something like 75% of NRA members, want more legislation. You can stick with the 4%, they will lose eventually. I am totally confidant the NRA will be history, sooner rather than later.

Well before Columbine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

I know that you want to focus on the outrageous... but school shootings are nothing new. And nothing you're proposing will make them go away.

But hey, invest all of your time and energy sinking the Democratic Party. It's your titanic, you can cry if you want to.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Not necessarily. I don't know the statistics. I said quite clearly that in order for a law to be "working," it needs to show a net plus over time. If it's not making a substantial difference, it's not working.

The war on drugs meets all those requirements.

How's that working out