Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if Democrats don't get behind his immigration pl

[FGB]

Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if Democrats don't get behind his immigration plan.

He seems serious about it...


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/06/tru...res-no-deal-on-border-safety-immigration.html

Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if there's no deal on border safety, immigration Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if there's no deal on border safety, immigration
14 Hours Ago | 01:04
President Donald Trump said Tuesday he would "love" to see a government shutdown if lawmakers cannot strike an immigration deal.

His comment came even as Senate leaders cited progress on spending talks.

"If we don't get rid of these loopholes ... if we don't change it, let's have a shutdown. We'll do a shutdown," Trump said at a meeting with law enforcement officials where he discussed possible changes to immigration laws.

"I'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this stuff taken care of," he added.

 

[WoundedKnee]

He's thrown down the gauntlet to a party that believes, fervently, that no DACA deal hands them the Congress. It's time people learn, especially, in winter, that a government shutdown is not the end of the world. The Democrats have no idea how to play a President who won't simply cave in to them in the name of being "popular."

 

[Rightguide]

Let it happen, no one will notice.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Reminds me of Rodney Dangerfield schooling the "intellectual" on how you deal with the unions. Those guys aren't Boy Scouts!

 

[Rightguide]

He's thrown down the gauntlet to a party that believes, fervently, that no DACA deal hands them the Congress. It's time people learn, especially, in winter, that a government shutdown is not the end of the world. The Democrats have no idea how to play a President who won't simply cave in to them in the name of being "popular."

Apparently, Trump isn't interested in continuing Obama's unconstitutional lawlessness and has told the Congress only they have the power to make Immigration policy. So he doesn't have the power to extend the deadline. Congress will have to do its job and the DACA people will be eligible for deportation until it does. How unique.

 

[WoundedKnee]

The DACA people need to understand that the Democrats are holding them with a gun to their head. Trump even offered amnesty to the ones who didn't sign up and still the Democrats are balking because they desire open borders and Balkanization in order to pit, divide and conquer.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The DACA people need to understand that the Democrats are holding them with a gun to their head. Trump even offered amnesty to the ones who didn't sign up and still the Democrats are balking because they desire open borders and Balkanization in order to pit, divide and conquer.

And the reason we can't have separate DACA bills and wall bills is why?

Oh yeah, one is enormously popular with the American people and the other is not.

So Trump has worked mightily to push the two together into a single vote, knowing his base would work long 'n hard to attempt to blame a single bill failure and/or government shutdown on the Democrats, as evidenced above.

YOU need to understand that Trump is holding a gun to the head of America.

 

[contrifan32]

And the reason we can't have separate DACA bills and wall bills is why?

Oh yeah, one is enormously popular with the American people and the other is not.

So Trump has worked mightily to push the two together into a single vote, knowing his base would work long 'n hard to attempt to blame a single bill failure and/or government shutdown on the Democrats, as evidenced above.

YOU need to understand that Trump is holding a gun to the head of America.

Do you think this is something new in Washington invented by the President?

 

[phrodeau]

Trump accused the Democrats of wishing for a shutdown, and when it happened, everyone blamed Trump.

Now he's seeing if the reverse will work, so that everyone blames the Democrats.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Let it happen, no one will notice.

Declare air traffic controllers to be non-essential and we'll never have another government shutdown again.

 

[richard_daily]

Declare air traffic controllers to be non-essential and we'll never have another government shutdown again.

Shithead Ronald Reagan already tried that approach.

 

[BobBalouski]

Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if Democrats don't get behind his immigration plan.

He seems serious about it...


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/06/tru...res-no-deal-on-border-safety-immigration.html

Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if there's no deal on border safety, immigration Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if there's no deal on border safety, immigration
14 Hours Ago | 01:04
President Donald Trump said Tuesday he would "love" to see a government shutdown if lawmakers cannot strike an immigration deal.

His comment came even as Senate leaders cited progress on spending talks.

"If we don't get rid of these loopholes ... if we don't change it, let's have a shutdown. We'll do a shutdown," Trump said at a meeting with law enforcement officials where he discussed possible changes to immigration laws.

"I'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this stuff taken care of," he added.

It's truly difficult to think of a single public person in recent memory who so obviously loves to blow his own smoke just to smell it himself.

TV Trump is half more fake than the actor Reagan was, but the Tool's fanboys and girls seem determined to silicone him up even more than Ronnie's lemmings have managed to inflate him.

Rah. Rah.

 

[Hypoxia]

Shutdown. Default. It's what Tromp does best.

And after Tromp vetoes the compromise bill passed to him?

When the gov't defaults on its debt payments, will creditors take possession?
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Wait, I'm conflating a shutdown with the debt ceiling thang.

With a shutdown, the non-essential IRS will stop taking in money but essential agencies will keep spending it, running up the national debt, which Gups seemingly want desperately. THEN the US goes bankrupt. Game over.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do you think this is something new in Washington invented by the President?

No, it's just that it's only a bad thing when (R)'s do it.

When (D)'s do it, they call it "progress".

 

[richard_daily]

No, it's just that it's only a bad thing when (R)'s do it.

When (D)'s do it, they call it "progress".

Have you ever criticized the republicans? If so, can you link to it?

Because it seems that 99% of the time, you're only complaining about Ds...

That makes you just another typical "not-Republican" on here.

 

[islandman]

He's thrown down the gauntlet to a party that believes, fervently, that no DACA deal hands them the Congress. It's time people learn, especially, in winter, that a government shutdown is not the end of the world. The Democrats have no idea how to play a President who won't simply cave in to them in the name of being "popular."

Let it happen, no one will notice.

Quoted for posterity.

 

[coati]

Have you ever criticized the republicans? If so, can you link to it?

Because it seems that 99% of the time, you're only complaining about Ds...

That makes you just another typical "not-Republican" on here.

No angry right winger claims to be a Republican any more. Starting with the early days of talk radio, they ate away like sulfuric acid at "liberals", "progressives", Democrats, "feminazis", and "Ds" for years, and then started in on their own party, going after Ryan and McConnell.

All that remains are neo-Nazi types, basement trolls, and Repugnicans, sucking up to their Stable Genius, but often even denying that they voted for him.

 

[Dribble]

Too bad a deal has been reached...

 

[islandman]

Left hand: if we don't get a deal, I'm good with a shutdown.

Right hand: we have a deal.


Either one branch of government is no longer accepting its marching orders or another is completely out of touch with reality.

 

[BobBalouski]

Actually, whether government exists or not ALL depends on how much taxpayers obediently finance it. America's founders, then British subjects, figured that out right-off the proverbial bat. Of course, they fully understood the deprivations and sacrifices they'd have to endure all by themselves, the sentences of death and prison and fines forthcoming from their government itself, but for some silly reason they were willing to undergo it all - and even eventually go to all out war - simply for the freedom from statist government they longed for...and for the eventual freedom of British slaves, too.

Ah, yes: I do discern the GB's black racist tokens grunting and grovelling and whining and groaning fully out of their own repugnantly bigoted ignorance, so allow me to furnish all some more FACTUAL truth on that matter...

You'll recall that for the entire tens of thousands of years of human population of the North American continent before the British finally landed in any significance, human slavery had always been practiced. Britain then introduced the first black African slaves to the continent and perfected the practice and importation of human slavery to the degree that so much of Britian's wealth depended on it. British subjects populating Britain's American colonies had no individual freedom in regards to British government-dictated slavery: they were slaves to British law, too. Anyways...

After British subjects in Britain's American colonies quit paying taxes the King and Parliament demanded they pay by FORCE, the first Americans began to politically organize themselves, the first such great effort being to form their own Congress. To that end, in the most "notorious" of British American slave colonies, folks in every county in Virginia met to elect their own delegates to attend Virginia's convention to elect who Virginia would then send to America's first Congress. Remember: Virginia was Britain's first American colony and it also was home to the most slaves in America at the time, too. And most folks in Virginia despised the inhumane practice: consider the last clause of the address to the delegates the Freeholders of Hanover County elected to send to Virginia's convention and represent their views (Wednesday, July 20, 1774):

The African trade for slaves we consider as most dangerous to the virtue and welfare of this country; we therefore most earnestly wish to see it totally discouraged.

Note: the folks of Hanover County didn't just deem to only speak for themselves - they dared give voice for "the virtue and welfare of this country".

Please also remember that these BRITISH SUBJECTS were meeting in total secret to elect their representatives to convey that illegal desire to an illegal Congress because THEIR STATIST GOVERNMENT had ordered them not to assemble in any way except with government approval - with the penalty of not obeying being arrested and shipped to London for trial for treason.

Three of the delegates the British colony of Virginia illegally elected to represent them at that very first illegal Congress were George Washington, Richard Henry Lee, and Patrick Henry - all slave owners, and all three deplored the inhumane practice of slavery. Henry called slavery a "lamentable evil" and stated, "I will not, I cannot justify it." Lee's first bill proposed as a new Burgess in Virginia's House (before the statist government shut it down), was "to lay so heavy a duty on the importation of slaves as to put an end to that iniquitous and disgraceful traffic within the colony of Virginia." Slaves, he effortlessly proclaimed, were "equally entitled to liberty and freedom by the great law of nature." Washington who, under British law, had inherited full possession of his father's slaves and assumed legal responsibility of his wife Martha's slaves when they were married, led America's literal fight for independence from all British rule, became the United State's first President, and freed all the slaves in his full legal possession upon his death, an act his own British subject father wasn't legally allowed to do under British rule.

Virginia was also home to another famous American born under British rule and who also inherited his slaves from his father under British law: Thomas was younger than his three fellow Virginians above, but he shared their unalienable hatred for the practice of human slavery. He tagged it "moral depravity” and a “hideous blot,”; he thought slavery was contrary to the laws of nature and nature's God, and he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation; indeed, considering the inhumane practice, he famously lamented, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever."

Jefferson served in Virginia's outlawed legislature after the American Revolutionary War broke out and as it rage on. In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784, the year after America had officially won its independence from Britain, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories. And, of course, Jefferson was instrumental in finally, successfully arranging a total end to the importation of slaves into America by 1800 - which Congress finally passed and President Jefferson enacted into law in 1807.

Richard Henry Lee died in 1794; Washington and Henry passed away in 1799, so none of them lived to see their dream come to fruition that all men are LEGALLY created equally free, and the younger Jefferson didn't either (the author of the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America ironically died on the 4th of July, 1825, 40 years before slavery was completely eradicated in the US with ratification of Amendment XIII in 1865).

But all four slave owners had no betters among Americans who literally led the charge to first free themselves from British rule, praying that the freedom of all would follow.

 

[BobBalouski]

Human Slavery on the North American continent:

10,000 years (minimum) to British arrival in 1607

176 years = 1607 - 1783 = first British settlement @ James Fort - Treaty of Paris ending the Revolutionary War

81 years = 1784 - 1865 = American independence - Amendment XIII

 

[GiaCat]

Negotiating tactic...the art of the deal

 

[phrodeau]

Human Slavery on the North American continent:

10,000 years (minimum) to British arrival in 1607

176 years = 1607 - 1783 = first British settlement @ James Fort - Treaty of Paris ending the Revolutionary War

81 years = 1784 - 1865 = American independence - Amendment XIII

Well, it's about time slavery came back to the US. Let's see… which group of people will be in the minority soon?

 

[Hypoxia]

Negotiating tactic...the art of the deal

Tromp's deals usually led to bankruptcy or settled lawsuits. Or occasional convictions. He *did* manage to get his star on Hollyweird Blvd. Such a deal!

 

[St_mAnn]

This trumpy government sure has been winning a whole lot since taking office. It would be nice if the president took some time off and went golfing or something like that.