Government shutdown over illegals?

[SgtSpiderMan]

Only if your IQ is room temperature.

I asked you for an explanation on why you responded to a post addressed to vetteman and you hardcore deflected from the question. I'd love to hear what other logical response there would be, but I'm betting you'll just double down with more deflection.

You fully outed yourself as vetteman, deal with it.

 

[cowslinger64]

No but you defended his premise, which is and will always be false. I dare you to put forth concrete evidence that I am someone other that who I am now, and your accusations and mythology aren't evidence. You can't do it because it simply isn't true. Show me the proof that says you're not a god damn liar.

No I didn't. Quit ascribing.

Luke proved it in your words... But there are a ton of Fer instances.. You're not that clever.

 

[Luk]

Don't be so hard on yourself.

Good one, Brooke!

No but you defended his premise, which is and will always be false. I dare you to put forth concrete evidence that I am someone other that who I am now, and your accusations and mythology aren't evidence. You can't do it because it simply isn't true. Show me the proof that says you're not a god damn liar.

I get it. No one wants to be vette, man

 

[Luk]

I asked you for an explanation on why you responded to a post addressed to vetteman and you hardcore deflected from the question. I'd love to hear what other logical response there would be, but I'm betting you'll just double down with more deflection.

You fully outed yourself as vetteman, deal with it.

No I didn't. Quit ascribing.

Luke proved it in your words... But there are a ton of Fer instances.. You're not that clever.

Let's not forget when he admitted it to Wrong Element and then went back and edited the post.

If he didn't admit, then why edit the post?

 

[Luk]

Gee, who saw this coming?

California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown Creates Farmworker Shortage

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...rms-face-serious-labor-shortage-1007177795804

Vegetable prices may be going up soon, as a shortage of migrant workers is resulting in lost crops in California.

Farmers say they’re having trouble hiring enough people to work during harvest season, causing some crops to rot before they can be picked. Already, the situation has triggered losses of more than $13 million in two California counties alone, according to NBC News.

The ongoing battle about U.S. immigration policies is blamed for the shortage. The vast majority of California’s farm workers are foreign born, with many coming from Mexico. However, the PEW Research Center reports more Mexicans are leaving the U.S. than coming here.

To make the jobs more attractive, farmers are offering salaries above minimum wage, along with paid time off and 401(k) plans, but even that’s not proving enough.

It’s unclear exactly how widespread the labor shortage is for farmers throughout the country, which would have a bigger impact on prices consumers pay. Ultimately, drought and flooding have a more significant impact on farms. Low oil prices could also offset any impact of the worker shortage.

 

[Rightguide]

No I didn't. Quit ascribing.

Luke proved it in your words... But there are a ton of Fer instances.. You're not that clever.

List them, coward.


Luk didn't prove shit. Luk never proves shit. Luk is a lying son of a bitch just like you.

 

[Luk]

List them, coward.


Luk didn't prove shit. Luk never proves shit. Luk is a lying son of a bitch just like you.

Prove Luk is lying by not responding directly to Luk whilst constantly fantasizing about Luk fucking other men.

This will also prove you're not vette, man.

 

[richard_daily]

That's some AJ level deflection. With no answer the only logical explanation is that you responded because you're vetteman.

Everyone knows that he's vetteman. Rob asked him to denounce the marines in a thread a few weeks back, he ran away from that.

He's a coward, a liar, and a weak example of a man.

Basically, he's vetteman.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Everyone knows that he's vetteman. Rob asked him to denounce the marines in a thread a few weeks back, he ran away from that.

He's a coward, a liar, and a weak example of a man.

Basically, he's vetteman.

So what?

 

[Hypoxia]

California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown Creates Farmworker Shortage

Problem: shortage of farmworkers
Problem: overflowing prison populations
Solution: chain gangs in the fields

 

[BotanyBoy]

California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown Creates Farmworker Shortage

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...rms-face-serious-labor-shortage-1007177795804

Sensible regulation!

Isn't it wonderful!!! Love love love that federal government.

And with the state of California fining farmers millions for plowing their own fields (among every other thing they can) you can expect soaring new high prices on California poduce.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/24/farmer-plowing-fine/339756001/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/15/john-duarte-pay-11m-fine-plowing-wheat-field-witho/

Hopefully it chases more people out of the state.

 

[about_average]

Sensible regulation!

Isn't it wonderful!!! Love love love that federal government.

And with the state of California fining farmers millions for plowing their own fields (among every other thing they can) you can expect soaring new high prices on California poduce.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/24/farmer-plowing-fine/339756001/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/15/john-duarte-pay-11m-fine-plowing-wheat-field-witho/

Hopefully it chases more people out of the state.

According to the articles he wasn't actually plowing his field.

But I'm not really sure what that has to do with not enough farmworkers to harvest crops, a problem farmers here in Georgia are having too.

 

[WoundedKnee]

With the exception of a few crops, harvesting is mechanized. You don't need illegal aliens to pick 90% of what we grow. Have you ever even seen a harvest?

 

[BotanyBoy]

According to the articles he wasn't actually plowing his field.

Yea, he was ripping.....which is heavy duty plowing.

But I'm not really sure what that has to do with not enough farmworkers to harvest crops, a problem farmers here in Georgia are having too.

Not much really, just pointing out how all that sensible regulation is helping things out and creating the utopia!

Good, everyone needs to pay their fair share for all those sensible regulations.

With the exception of a few crops, harvesting is mechanized. You don't need illegal aliens to pick 90% of what we grow. Have you ever even seen a harvest?

Most people would starve to death if meals stopped showing up in their driver window.

 

[Amoebah]

That's some AJ level deflection. With no answer the only logical explanation is that you responded because you're vetteman.

Logic? That’s funny.

 

[about_average]

With the exception of a few crops, harvesting is mechanized. You don't need illegal aliens to pick 90% of what we grow. Have you ever even seen a harvest?

1. That leaves 10% that is hand picked (I'm accepting your 90% figure despite your lack of citation)
2. All those mechanical harvesters aren't autonomous.
3. There's a lot more to a harvest than picking in the field.
4. Yes, but obviously you haven't since I had to point out #4 to you.

And I didn't mention illegal aliens, I was talking about farmworkers as a group. The fact is last year there weren't enough here in GA and it appears to be the same in CA.

 

[cowslinger64]

List them, coward.


Luk didn't prove shit. Luk never proves shit. Luk is a lying son of a bitch just like you.

You had the opportunity to speak, as a former marine, if that were the case.. That you had never posted as vette. Rob set up the challenge and you folded like origami and ran from it like the little bitch you are.

You are fooling no one.. It's both hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

[bellisarius]

With the exception of a few crops, harvesting is mechanized. You don't need illegal aliens to pick 90% of what we grow. Have you ever even seen a harvest?

1. That leaves 10% that is hand picked (I'm accepting your 90% figure despite your lack of citation)
2. All those mechanical harvesters aren't autonomous.
3. There's a lot more to a harvest than picking in the field.
4. Yes, but obviously you haven't since I had to point out #4 to you.

And I didn't mention illegal aliens, I was talking about farmworkers as a group. The fact is last year there weren't enough here in GA and it appears to be the same in CA.

This is an OLD circular discussion.

There was a study done some time ago that estimated that the use of legal farm labor for harvesting would add approx. $5/mo. to the avg. families grocery bill. That is NOT a significant number. Further it's good for the farm worker in that will enjoy a higher wage. The use of illegal labor undermines all of the efforts that Cesar Chavez put forth back in the '70's.

Technology is working on robots that will harvest the remaining 10%. They will be AI based. Because they will employ spectroscopy to determine 'ripeness' they will actually do a better job in determining suitability for harvest than humans. At some point in the future there will be a cross-over point in costs and when that happens those field workers for harvest will no longer be needed.

 

[Rightguide]

You had the opportunity to speak, as a former marine, if that were the case.. That you had never posted as vette. Rob set up the challenge and you folded like origami and ran from it like the little bitch you are.

You are fooling no one.. It's both hilarious and sad at the same time.

I had Rob on iggy, I didn't see the post initially. I saw it after you or someone else quoted it. I asked for a link and after finding his post I answered it. It doesn't matter what I say to those intellectually invested in their lies. With few exceptions nobody here knows who anyone really is and short of posting private information it's almost impossible to prove a negative. For instance, how do I know you aren't Rob?

PS: Where is that list of posts proving I have vast knowledge of Lit history I asked for?

 

[Luk]

With the exception of a few crops, harvesting is mechanized. You don't need illegal aliens to pick 90% of what we grow. Have you ever even seen a harvest?

There's a 100% chance that you're wrong, AJ. You and Ishtard sit back on your liar's throne and spew nonsense.

 

[Rightguide]

According to the articles he wasn't actually plowing his field.

But I'm not really sure what that has to do with not enough farmworkers to harvest crops, a problem farmers here in Georgia are having too.

Assuming steady demand for crops that cannot be farmed for lack of labor, innovation and mechanization will quickly replace it.

 

[Luk]

I had Rob on iggy, I didn't see the post initially. I saw it after you or someone else quoted it. I asked for a link and after finding his post I answered it. It doesn't matter what I say to those intellectually invested in their lies. With few exceptions nobody here knows who anyone really is and short of posting private information it's almost impossible to prove a negative. For instance, how do I know you aren't Rob?

Having Luk and Rob on iggy is the main reason *why* you look like the lying sack of crap that you are, vetteman.

PS: Where is that list of posts proving I have vast knowledge of Lit history I asked for?

Luk has posted them several times. You're the only one willingly ignoring the truth of your own dumbfuckery.

 

[PollDancer]

I read this thread backwards.

Vetteman is Paul.

 

[Luk]

I read this thread backwards.

Vetteman is Paul.

Hush, lil lace.

 

[cowslinger64]

I had Rob on iggy, I didn't see the post initially. I saw it after you or someone else quoted it. I asked for a link and after finding his post I answered it. It doesn't matter what I say to those intellectually invested in their lies. With few exceptions nobody here knows who anyone really is and short of posting private information it's almost impossible to prove a negative. For instance, how do I know you aren't Rob?

PS: Where is that list of posts proving I have vast knowledge of Lit history I asked for?

You ran from that post like the weasel you're known to be. You had your chance.. Now you want more from me, ala bizzydummy?

No way Jose..

I've never had an alt... No need to have one.