Never forget what feminism is really about

[LJ_Reloaded]

I really must learn to stop engaging. It only encourages you.

Translation: Your CTS2 propaganda got utterly deconstructed for the hateful propaganda machine that it is and you have zero hope of salvaging your case against me re: domestic violence.

There's a lot of people out there who know the feminist take on domestic violence stats is bullshit and if my analysis hits google search, well, it's game over.

The statistics show that women are just as violent as men, even as violent toward each other, and CTS2 is designed to classify violent women as harmless based on the TOTALLY UNSUPPORTED LONG-STANDING FEMINIST PROPAGANDA that women do nothing more than yell or lightly slap and only in self-defense (which falls apart with lesbian domestic violence - someone is acting in self-defense and it ain't against a man).

You've got no counter. Checkmate.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Re Domestic abuse

against women

I think that domestic violence against women is far more serious and should be given priority because men are physically stronger and keep things bottled inside until they erupt. Because of that, the emotional component also tends to be more serious than in the case of female to male abuse.

In saying that, I don't approach it through the Feminist lens.
It's No longer a symptom of a patriarchal society and mentalities or oppression. But for pockets of misoginy, our modern society is pretty much egalitarian now. It's due to the fact that the more powerful takes advantage of the weaker person. (just like in female to male abuse)


against men

It's notoriously underreported because of the shame and shaming factor.

It's not just the shaming factor. Feminist-run shelters offer battered men no sanctuary.

https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/3977-researcher-what-hap-3977

I recently attended the excellent Los Angeles domestic violence conference "From Ideology to Inclusion 2009: New Directions in Domestic Violence Research and Intervention." The conference featured many domestic violence dissidents--researchers and clinicians who do not believe that the mainstream domestic violence establishment and its "men as perpetrators/women as victims" conceptual framework is properly serving those involved in family violence. Denise Hines, Ph.D. is a research assistant psychology professor at Clark University and a research associate at the Family Research Laboratory and Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire. At the conference, Dr. Hines detailed her findings on what happens when abused men call domestic violence hotlines or shelters seeking help. About a third of all domestic violence injuries are suffered by men. Hines' study included 302 heterosexual men, ages 18 to 59, who had been in a relationship lasting at least one month within the previous year, had been physically assaulted by their female partners within the previous year, and had sought outside assistance/support. The median age of the abused men was 40, and the median age of their abusive female partners was 38. The relationships had lasted on average a little over eight years, and 73% of them had minor children. About two-thirds were married, separated, or divorced. Of the abused men who called domestic violence hotlines, 64% were told that they "only helped women." In 32% of the cases, the abused men were referred to batterers' programs. Another 25% were given a phone number to call that turned out to be a batterers' program. A little over a quarter of them were given a reference to a local program that helped. Overall, only 8% of the men who called hotlines classified them as "very helpful," whereas 69% found them to be "not at all helpful." Sixteen percent said the people at the hot line "dismissed or made fun of them."

 

[KimGordon67]

Translation: Your CTS2 propaganda got utterly deconstructed for the hateful propaganda machine that it is and you have zero hope of salvaging your case against me re: domestic violence.

There's a lot of people out there who know the feminist take on domestic violence stats is bullshit and if my analysis hits google search, well, it's game over.

The statistics show that women are just as violent as men, even as violent toward each other, and CTS2 is designed to classify violent women as harmless based on the TOTALLY UNSUPPORTED LONG-STANDING FEMINIST PROPAGANDA that women do nothing more than yell or lightly slap and only in self-defense (which falls apart with lesbian domestic violence - someone is acting in self-defense and it ain't against a man).

You've got no counter. Checkmate.

'I'm bored of this' =/= 'you won' ... but if thinking you've beaten some random stranger on the interweb makes your day a little brighter, by all means carry on thinking that you have. I'm glad to have made someone happy.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

'I'm bored of this' =/= 'you won' ... but if thinking you've beaten some random stranger on the interweb makes your day a little brighter, by all means carry on thinking that you have. I'm glad to have made someone happy.

Whew, you spin faster than my hard drive. You really suck at debating.

 

[unclemikeroxon]

The only Trump supporter with balls enough to admit it

Ok as evidently all (or nearly all) of members here believe I am either unreasonable or somehow mentally deficient I will state my reasoning formally. He obviously has a sense of humor. Rosie O'donnell (sp?) may disagree but I enjoy his wit. He invariably says what is on his mind. This really irritates people who are kiss-asses.
America for too damned long has been governed by parties where everyone owes somebody something and quid pro quo is the rule not the exception. I am sad because most of my liberal friends seem to have lost their objectivity and frankly are depressed that Hillary didn't win. For God's sake, Grow up! Relearn how to laugh,
If he really is Hitler reincarnated, he only has three more years unless some dimwit '
who likely doesn't own any firearms beats him to death. My two cents. UM

 

[Hypoxia]

But even so, wouldn't that be the responsibility of Men's Organizations, to advocate for resources for their own?

Shouldn't churches provide shelter and sanctuary for the battered and distressed of all genders and beliefs?

PS: This is my LIT post #18000. I dunno if that's significant.

 

[KimGordon67]

That's a tricky one.

On one hand you could argue against admitting them, because those women are pretty traumatized and don't need any reminders.

On the other hand, you can argue trump that because those men are in desperate need of help as well.
In that case, the problem is that such calls usually happen after hours, and you can't expect on site staff to introduce new rules by themselves. They can only inform their superiors the next day in the hope that it goes further up in the chain of command and something gets done for those men.

But even so, wouldn't that be the responsibility of Men's Organizations, to advocate for resources for their own?

LOL - most 'men's organizations' specialise in whinging about how hard done by they are. I've yet to see any MRA groups do anything really practical.

And yes, opening up women's shelters to men is a hideous idea. I have seen shelters opened for men who are violent, so they have somewhere to go when there's restraining orders in place - that's actually a useful thing to do. Usually they're run by the women's refuges.

Maybe LJ should set up a men's refuge?

 

[Hypoxia]

Maybe LJ should set up a men's refuge?

Maybe the Churches of Satan or Scientology will provide facilities?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

That's a tricky one.

On one hand you could argue against admitting them, because those women are pretty traumatized and don't need any reminders.

On the other hand, you can argue trump that because those men are in desperate need of help as well.
In that case, the problem is that such calls usually happen after hours, and you can't expect on site staff to introduce new rules by themselves. They can only inform their superiors the next day in the hope that it goes further up in the chain of command and something gets done for those men.

But even so, wouldn't that be the responsibility of Men's Organizations, to advocate for resources for their own?

1. Women's shelters are funded by taxpayer money. That is why there's no men's shelters in Canada but there are women's shelters.
2. Feminism says that feminism helps men as well.

But when it actually comes time to help men, men's organizations have to do it on their own dime and while fighting the FEMINIST propaganda (CTS2, Duluth Model) that men are the perpetrators and that domestic violence against men is trivial (literally, that is what feminists say).

Even the women's shelters NOT paid for by taxpayer money are supported by major corporate donors - all of which would laugh their ass off at the idea of supporting battered men. Because, as you know, feminists have made the idea of battered men look ridiculous as fuck, and because feminists have openly and quite specifically stated that helping men takes money away from helping women.

But hey, it's all up to Men's Organizations amirite

 

[KimGordon67]

But hey, it's all up to Men's Organizations amirite

Well ... yeah.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LOL - most 'men's organizations' specialise in whinging about how hard done by they are. I've yet to see any MRA groups do anything really practical.

And yes, opening up women's shelters to men is a hideous idea. I have seen shelters opened for men who are violent, so they have somewhere to go when there's restraining orders in place - that's actually a useful thing to do. Usually they're run by the women's refuges.

Maybe LJ should set up a men's refuge?

Says the feminists who completely control the dialog on domestic violence, who have outright said that money to men's shelters hurts women, and who have impressed upon society the lie that violence against men is trivial.

Women's shelters get piles of money from TAXPAYERS, from corporate donors, and men and women alike.

Feminists would politically BLOCK men's shelters from happening. Something that will never happen for battered men's shelters even if we tried to make our case for the next BILLION YEARS - why? Because feminism opposes shelters for battered men and all politicians listen exclusively to you people.

Your argument is literally like telling black people why don't they start hiring each other to end black poverty. And that is why you are KKKimGordon67!

 

[KimGordon67]

Ok as evidently all (or nearly all) of members here believe I am either unreasonable or somehow mentally deficient I will state my reasoning formally. He obviously has a sense of humor. Rosie O'donnell (sp?) may disagree but I enjoy his wit. He invariably says what is on his mind. This really irritates people who are kiss-asses.
America for too damned long has been governed by parties where everyone owes somebody something and quid pro quo is the rule not the exception. I am sad because most of my liberal friends seem to have lost their objectivity and frankly are depressed that Hillary didn't win. For God's sake, Grow up! Relearn how to laugh,
If he really is Hitler reincarnated, he only has three more years unless some dimwit '
who likely doesn't own any firearms beats him to death. My two cents. UM

Does anyone actually understand what this post is about?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Well ... yeah.

So you willfully ignore the fact that as a woman you get taxpayer support for women's shelters, big corporate donors that would laugh at the idea of supporting battered men, you have a massive political propaganda machine that completely opposes and eliminates empathy for male victims...

you expect men's shelters to crop up despite overwhelming opposition from women's groups and society in general...

you actually expect this shit to happen despite your movement's active and taxpayer-funded efforts to stop it.

Yup, feminism is definitely a hate movement. One whose destruction is absolutely imperative if equality is ever going to happen.

 

[KimGordon67]

Says the feminists who completely control the dialog on domestic violence, who have outright said that money to men's shelters hurts women, and who have impressed upon society the lie that violence against men is trivial.

Women's shelters get piles of money from TAXPAYERS, from corporate donors, and men and women alike.

Feminists would politically BLOCK men's shelters from happening. Something that will never happen for battered men's shelters even if we tried to make our case for the next BILLION YEARS - why? Because feminism opposes shelters for battered men and all politicians listen exclusively to you people.

Your argument is literally like telling black people why don't they start hiring each other to end black poverty. And that is why you are KKKimGordon67!

I've never said either of those things, and I'd never block a men's refuge getting money. As I noted above, I actually think providing shelter to men who are committing DV is a good thing.
Women's shelters don't 'take money away' from corporate donors - the corporations donate, that's what makes them 'donors'. Do you really think a bunch of radical feminists barge in with balaclavas and yell 'gives us all your cash NOW bitch'? Even Tarantino couldn't make fundraising for a crisis shelter that cool.

 

[KimGordon67]

So you willfully ignore the fact that as a woman you get taxpayer support for women's shelters, big corporate donors that would laugh at the idea of supporting battered men, you have a massive political propaganda machine that completely opposes and eliminates empathy for male victims...

The government didn't start the women's shelters - feminists did. They just sought funding from the government and corporate donors. Usually that funding is really pretty minimal, and the shelters here are extremely depending on private donations of things like food and clothing. Maybe they're big business in the US, but I'd be genuinely surprised if that was the case - it's not a very popular cause to get behind.

you expect men's shelters to crop up despite overwhelming opposition from women's groups and society in general...

I have never seen any actual evidence of this 'overwhelming opposition'.

you actually expect this shit to happen despite your movement's active and taxpayer-funded efforts to stop it.

Again, never seen any evidence of this. (BTW, it's not 'my' movement - I neither started it nor own it. And as I constantly explain to you, 'feminism' is not a monolithic whole - there are great chunks of feminism that I disagree with.)

Yup, feminism is definitely a hate movement. One whose destruction is absolutely imperative if equality is ever going to happen.

Y'know, it's kind of ironic you calling feminism a 'hate movement'. In all our interactions, you're pretty much the one who spouts a whole lotta hatred, to feminism in general and me personally. 'LJ is definitely a hate movement' ... that's probably more to the point. What's happened to you to make you literally hate feminism so much?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I've never said either of those things, and I'd never block a men's refuge getting money. As I noted above, I actually think providing shelter to men who are committing DV is a good thing.
Women's shelters don't 'take money away' from corporate donors - the corporations donate, that's what makes them 'donors'. Do you really think a bunch of radical feminists barge in with balaclavas and yell 'gives us all your cash NOW bitch'? Even Tarantino couldn't make fundraising for a crisis shelter that cool.

It's not about what you say, or what you'd do. It's about what the feminist movement at large does. And I didn't say they take money away from anyone, so stop lying. I said they GET money from donors

donors who will never be convinced to support shelters for battered men

no one is ever going to support shelters for battered men EXCEPT men's groups whose funding will never be anything nearly as much as what you women get

and a battered men's shelter is literally a political no-sell

MEN'S GROUPS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET BATTERED MEN'S SHELTERS UP AND WE KEEP RUNNING INTO OPPOSITION FROM

wait for it

FEMINISTS

Do you get it yet, KKKimmy?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Y'know, it's kind of ironic you calling feminism a 'hate movement'. In all our interactions, you're pretty much the one who spouts a whole lotta hatred, to feminism in general and me personally. 'LJ is definitely a hate movement' ... that's probably more to the point. What's happened to you to make you literally hate feminism so much?

What makes me hate feminism? Have you been reading?

Feminists routinely demonize men, they're silent as fuck when crowds of women cheer at the unprovoked mutilation and abuse of men, feminists have trivialized domestic violence against men, feminists have utterly ignored female perpetrators, feminists call for men to be rounded up in concentration camps (see: Julie Bindel), KILL ALL MEN is considered an acceptable meme among feminists, feminists never protest bad behavior against men by women or bad behavior by women against women

and you, a feminist, just said it doesn't matter that men's groups face overwhelming opposition and funding disparities, including at the taxpayer level, when they try to build men's shelters

you, an example of feminism, implied men's groups haven't tried to build men's shelters, which is an outright malicious lie

and you wonder why I hate feminism?

You're a fucking hate group.

 

[KimGordon67]

It's not about what you say, or what you'd do. It's about what the feminist movement at large does. And I didn't say they take money away from anyone, so stop lying. I said they GET money from donors

donors who will never be convinced to support shelters for battered men

no one is ever going to support shelters for battered men EXCEPT men's groups whose funding will never be anything nearly as much as what you women get

and a battered men's shelter is literally a political no-sell

MEN'S GROUPS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET BATTERED MEN'S SHELTERS UP AND WE KEEP RUNNING INTO OPPOSITION FROM

wait for it

FEMINISTS

Do you get it yet, KKKimmy?

Weird - I could have sworn I read 'take away money', but apparently not. I really wish you'd stop accusing everyone who misreads something of 'lying'. Considering you quite literally change what people have written, avoid entire parts of what they've written, and willfully misinterpret other chunks, it's really pretty ironic.

I look forward to seeing the evidence that 'feminists' (I assume you mean feminists of all stripes here, rather than specific subgroups) are actively preventing men's groups from receiving funding for battered men's shelters.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do you really think a bunch of radical feminists barge in with balaclavas and yell 'gives us all your cash NOW bitch'?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/03a73afb6523f7e3536afbca880a7711/tenor.gif?itemid=5822761

Even Tarantino couldn't make fundraising for a crisis shelter that cool.

I dunno.....I'm not a fanboy but if fundraising for a crisis shelter going to be made cool it would have to be via drug, sex and greed fueled hyper violence and exploitation.

So clearly Tarantino's gotta be in like the top 3 people who could pull that off.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I've never said either of those things, and I'd never block a men's refuge getting money. As I noted above, I actually think providing shelter to men who are committing DV is a good thing.
Women's shelters don't 'take money away' from corporate donors - the corporations donate, that's what makes them 'donors'. Do you really think a bunch of radical feminists barge in with balaclavas and yell 'gives us all your cash NOW bitch'? Even Tarantino couldn't make fundraising for a crisis shelter that cool.

They do have shelters for man who are suspected of committing DV. They're called jails and prisons.

 

[KimGordon67]

What makes me hate feminism? Have you been reading?

Some Feminists routinely demonize men, they're silent as fuck when crowds of women cheer at the unprovoked mutilation and abuse of men, some feminists have trivialized domestic violence against men, some feminists have utterly ignored female perpetrators, one feminists call for men to be rounded up in concentration camps (see: Julie Bindel), KILL ALL MEN is considered an acceptable meme among really barely any feminists, feminists never protest bad behavior against men by women or bad behavior by women against women - actually they do all the time.

and you, a feminist, just said it doesn't matter that men's groups face overwhelming opposition and funding disparities, including at the taxpayer level, when they try to build men's shelters

you, an example of feminism, implied men's groups haven't tried to build men's shelters, which is an outright malicious lie

and you wonder why I hate feminism?

You're a fucking hate group.

Fixed your post - you're welcome.

Exactly where did I say "it doesn't matter that men's groups face overwhelming opposition and funding disparities, including at the taxpayer level, when they try to build men's shelters". Because I didn't - basically, you're lying.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Weird - I could have sworn I read 'take away money', but apparently not. I really wish you'd stop accusing everyone who misreads something of 'lying'. Considering you quite literally change what people have written, avoid entire parts of what they've written, and willfully misinterpret other chunks, it's really pretty ironic.

You know what, you're right, that was wrong of me to call you a liar.

Allow me to take that back. Instead, let me be more accurate:

you suck at reading comprehension.

Better?

I look forward to seeing the evidence that 'feminists' (I assume you mean feminists of all stripes here, rather than specific subgroups) are actively preventing men's groups from receiving funding for battered men's shelters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

 

[KimGordon67]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/03a73afb6523f7e3536afbca880a7711/tenor.gif?itemid=5822761



I dunno.....I'm not a fanboy but if fundraising for a crisis shelter going to be made cool it would have to be via drug, sex and greed fueled hyper violence and exploitation.

So clearly Tarantino's gotta be in like the top 3 people who could pull that off.

I really can't see it going well in mainstream theatres.

 

[KimGordon67]

You know what, you're right, that was wrong of me to call you a liar.

Allow me to take that back. Instead, let me be more accurate:

you suck at reading comprehension.

Better?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

Exactly where did I say "it doesn't matter that men's groups face overwhelming opposition and funding disparities, including at the taxpayer level, when they try to build men's shelters". Because I didn't - basically, you're lying.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Feminism is a hate group

Fixed your post - you're welcome.

Exactly where did I say "it doesn't matter that men's groups face overwhelming opposition and funding disparities, including at the taxpayer level, when they try to build men's shelters". Because I didn't - basically, you're lying.

Well ... yeah.