Iran’s feminists take center stage in protests as U.S. feminists remain silent

[FakeNews]

Iranian women have been a driving force and central focus of the deadly, week-long protests sweeping cities across the Islamic Republic of Iran in opposition to the regime.

They have marched through the streets of Iran calling for greater freedom and the ability to chose for themselves how to live their lives, down to the most basic right to choose how they dress.

Yet as women throughout Iran remove their hijabs to protest against the oppression they face under their nation’s Islamic regime—and others keep them on during their united marches throughout several major cities—progressive groups that claim to fight for the mantle of women’s empowerment have remained mum.

In fact, as women in Iran are shedding their hijabs, progressive women in the United States have continued to hold these hijabs up as a symbol of empowerment and feminism.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...n-feminists-center-stage-nationwide-protests/

 

[WoundedKnee]

First off, don't quote from Breitbart, do some homework and cite from the original source; lends more credibility to the topic you wish to introduce. As for being silent, the Feminists are loud and clear, in lockstep with the Racialist industries, snowflake nation and Antifa (including Keith Elliston, which somewhat completes that circle) in their consternation over the election and presidency of one Donald J. Trump.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Or is it about the worship of alternative cultures and the denigration of religion as in, the Burka and the Hijab are not part of Islam, but only part of cultures that are Islamic?

 

[Queefer]

Great hypothesis.
I'm a bit unclear about the second part - could you please elsnorate on that?

Same old stupid hashy!

 

[WoundedKnee]

Great hypothesis.
I'm a bit unclear about the second part - could you please elsnorate on that?

Banning the garb has become the equivalent of (a newly created word) Islamophobia. We are admonished that the culture drives the outfit, not the religion. In a nihilistic world where judgement is verboten, you cannot judge the culture and therefore must accept two eyes peering out from under a headscarf as a valid passport photo. Anything else is clearly "Islamophobia."

 

[BotanyBoy]

If Iran sent it's cops and military to beat and rape all the protesters they wanted you wouldn't hear a fucking peep from the U.S.'s "progressive" and or feminist groups.

Rape rings.

Honor killings.

Wife beatings.

Child brides.

As long as it is in the Koran they will call it diversity and progress!! And any criticism of the great Islam or the behavior of any of it's followers will be deemed racist and fought tooth and nail.

 

[KimGordon67]

Oh look ... another thread in which white American men reveal their expertise on Sharia law and Islamic feminism (although this time also including western feminism into the mix). How awesome.

 

[Luk]

First off, don't quote from Breitbart, do some homework and cite from the original source; lends more credibility to the topic you wish to introduce. As for being silent, the Feminists are loud and clear, in lockstep with the Racialist industries, snowflake nation and Antifa (including Keith Elliston, which somewhat completes that circle) in their consternation over the election and presidency of one Donald J. Trump.

You post American Thinker articles like it's your fucking bible, AJ.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh look ... another thread in which white American men reveal their expertise on Sharia law and Islamic feminism (although this time also including western feminism into the mix). How awesome.

I'm mixed and I've spent a few years living in several countries throughout the middle east and N. Africa.

But thanks anyhow.

How much time have you spent living among the women oppressed by any number of Islamic theocracies where wife beatings, rape, child brides and honor killings are common place?

 

[William_James]

You post American Thinker articles like it's your fucking bible, AJ.

In fairness to AJ, he was recently broadening his horizons to include PJ Media.

 

[Luk]

In fairness to AJ, he was recently broadening his horizons to include PJ Media.

Not true! PJ was his first love then he cheated with that whore, AT.

 

[Queefer]

Oh look ... another thread in which white American men reveal their expertise on Sharia law and Islamic feminism (although this time also including western feminism into the mix). How awesome.

All of them are proven idiots. Let them derp all over each other for a while longer.

 

[KimGordon67]

I'm mixed and I've spent a few years living in several countries throughout the middle east and N. Africa.

But thanks anyhow.

How much time have you spent living among the women oppressed by any number of Islamic theocracies where wife beatings, rape, child brides and honor killings are common place?

Exceptionally loaded question. But quite a few years working with refugees, probably half of whom were Muslim. I still don't think that gives me enough insight to reliably comment on anything that's hapoening in Iran.

 

[KimGordon67]

I have two hypothetical scenarios. (I have a gut feeling that things would take a similar turn if they were tried out IRL):


Authorities in some Western country decide to put a ban on burkas and burkinis.

1.Cops approach burkini/burka wearing women on beaches or restaurants and ask them to leave, or even harass them the way it happened in France.
-- Result: burkini/burka wearing women start huge human rights protests challenging authorities.

2.Cops let the women enjoy the beach or take strolls in town, but they give citations to or all sorts of restrictions for their husbands and Imams
-- Result: those women stop wearing burkas and burkinis.


.

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You forgot Option 3 - western governments continue to understand that they have no place in telling women what to wear, nor in deciding how women should practice their specific religions (provided they're not doing so in a way that's imposing on anyone else's freedoms), and leave the women the fuck alone.

 

[KimGordon67]

Do you actually believe that those women's "consent" is true consent?

We're not referring to scarves or even face veils, where your rationale could be correct.
We're talking about burkas.

I believe that Islamic feminism are best positioned to decide what should be fought for on behalf of Islamic women. Everything I've read on this topic suggests that the water is pretty murky, even within Islamic feminism.

You're right that the notion of 'choice' is extremely complex ... but it's complex for everyone, not just the people you aren't fond of. Women in western societies also have their 'choices' constrained in quite particular ways. Try and find a woman in your town with unshaven visible legs for example ... do you think we all just independently woke up one and thought, in unison, 'whoa, I'm really not liking that hair - I might get rid of it'?

(Also, as a side note, the original post mentions hijabs, not burqas.)

 

[BeeZeBody]

^^^^Sanctimonious self centered stinky cunt

 

[KimGordon67]

^^^^Sanctimonious self centered stinky cunt

Such an insightful critique.

 

[BeeZeBody]

^^^^Sanctimonious self centered stinky cunt

 

[Boxlicker101]

When I was a teenager, a women's style was what was properly called a chemise but more commonly called a sack dress. The garment was ugly, just a shapeless tube of fabric that covered women from shoulders to below the knees. Men and boys laughed at them and put them down but millions of women, because fashion designers commanded them, wore the stupid things anyhow.

If those same fashion designers or their descendants were to tell women they should wear burkas or muumuus, millions of women would do what they were told, despite the ridicule from men. But it would be their choice.

 

[KimGordon67]

Don't you think that a burka wearing woman automatically has lots of opportunities denied to her in a Western country?

Westerners just can't communicate effectively without reading body language, and some even feel intimidated not knowing who they're talking to or who's hiding under a sac of potatoes.
Would you blame a dairy owner or a Day Care Center for giving priority to a hijab wearing Muslim woman over a burka-wearing one?

If people in the west have a problem with the ways in which Muslim women practice their religion, that's not Muslim women's problem.
I would hope that businesses would 'prioritise' Muslim women on the same basis they use to prioritise anyone else - anything else in a contravention of their rights.

 

[KimGordon67]

Tell that to all those understandably paranoid clients from Battered Women Centers or Day Care Centers.

Again, if someone exercising their basic human right to practice their religion makes others paranoid, that's the problem of the paranoid people. You're really not getting this, are you?

 

[Boxlicker101]

If people in the west have a problem with the ways in which Muslim women practice their religion, that's not Muslim women's problem.
I would hope that businesses would 'prioritise' Muslim women on the same basis they use to prioritise anyone else - anything else in a contravention of their rights.

Why should businesses prioritize anybody? If they do so on the basis of religion, that would actually be illegal. If a requirement of a job is that the woman must wear a certain uniform, and she refuses to do so, that would be valid grounds for not hiring her.

 

[KimGordon67]

Why should businesses prioritize anybody? If they do so on the basis of religion, that would actually be illegal. If a requirement of a job is that the woman must wear a certain uniform, and she refuses to do so, that would be valid grounds for not hiring her.

That's pretty much my point.

 

[KimGordon67]

If Iran sent it's cops and military to beat and rape all the protesters they wanted you wouldn't hear a fucking peep from the U.S.'s "progressive" and or feminist groups.

Rape rings.

Honor killings.

Wife beatings.

Child brides.

As long as it is in the Koran they will call it diversity and progress!! And any criticism of the great Islam or the behavior of any of it's followers will be deemed racist and fought tooth and nail.

So you're putting the things listed here in the same category as wearing a burqa or hijab?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

Why should businesses prioritize anybody? If they do so on the basis of religion, that would actually be illegal. If a requirement of a job is that the woman must wear a certain uniform, and she refuses to do so, that would be valid grounds for not hiring her.

That's pretty much my point.

If that's your point, why did you say this: I would hope that businesses would 'prioritise' Muslim women on the same basis they use to prioritise anyone else - anything else in a contravention of their rights.