How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[xfrodobagginsx]

'New evidence' about location of Noah's Ark


http://www.wnd.com/2017/12/new-evidence-about-location-of-noahs-ark/

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I8

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

HATE COPS PURSUE #MERRYCHRISTMAS, #JESUS


http://www.wnd.com/2017/12/hate-cops-pursue-merrychristmas-jesus/

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I particularly like the story of Legion, the plurality of demons that Jesus cast out of some unfortunate and into a herd of pigs which promptly slaughtered themselves.

Whose pigs were they? They weren't Jesus's pigs, surely not. They weren't the property of any Jewish people, unclean animals that they are. So what was Jesus thinking by disposing of a Gentile's livestock in that way? Seems practically criminal to me.

Jesus didn't dispose of them. The demons did

 

[phrodeau]

LOL

You clearly lack understanding yourself - but that's an old fact. The new one is that you know very little about Einstein. He changed many times the type of theist he was, but always was one, and especially later in his life.

But no matter; more?

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-science-brings-men-nearer-to-god-louis-pasteur-258359.jpg

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https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/marvels-of-creation-and-science-isaac-newton.jpg?w=1400


btw, Collings up there?

Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950) is an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project. He is director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, Maryland, United States.



But Phrodeau and Emperor Severus know best !!

https://media.giphy.com/media/Vmunw0k7q12Ks/giphy.gif

Are these guys authorities on religion?

Will we be adding these quotes to the Bible anytime soon?

 

[EternalFantasies]

Are these guys authorities on religion?

Will we be adding these quotes to the Bible anytime soon?

The whole argument was how diesel, and others maybe you i don't recall, said religious stories have nothing to do with science.

Here's good authority on science saying otherwise.

Are you playing dumb on purpose?

Of course, I'm trying to give you some credit.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Are these guys authorities on religion?

Will we be adding these quotes to the Bible anytime soon?

I didn't think that they had to be authorities on religion. They are authorities on Science and the point is that they believe that science points them to believe in a God. Just like many evolutionists claim that evolution points them to believe that there is not a God.

 

[phrodeau]

The whole argument was how diesel, and others maybe you i don't recall, said religious stories have nothing to do with science.

Here's good authority on science saying otherwise.

Are you playing dumb on purpose?

Of course, I'm trying to give you some credit.

OK, maybe you can produce a quote from a scientist attesting to the veracity of the stories in the Bible. You might start with the sun being created after the earth had plants on it, or that worldwide flood, or the guy who survived for three days in the belly of a fish. You know, those holy scriptures that religious people must believe every word of.

 

[EternalFantasies]

OK, maybe you can produce a quote from a scientist attesting to the veracity of the stories in the Bible. You might start with the sun being created after the earth had plants on it, or that worldwide flood, or the guy who survived for three days in the belly of a fish. You know, those holy scriptures that religious people must believe every word of.

1. I produced many, and there's many more.

2. That is the quality of your own understanding. I did post you this as well.

3. I did recommend focusing on the Jesus - MY - Bible.

 

[phrodeau]

1. I produced many, and there's many more.

2. That is the quality of your own understanding. I did post you this as well.

3. I did recommend focusing on the Jesus - MY - Bible.

I don't know what usernames you used in the past, but this is the first I've heard of a "Jesus - MY - Bible." Is there a link to it that I could examine?

 

[phrodeau]

OK, here's a scripture-worthy quote from the world's foremost authority.

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-without-this-great-land-of-ours-we-would-all-drown-irwin-corey-133-62-93.jpg

 

[EternalFantasies]

I don't know what usernames you used in the past, but this is the first I've heard of a "Jesus - MY - Bible." Is there a link to it that I could examine?

Wut? lol

I only used this, and its singular form.

I wrote you many pieces of advice.

And that Bible is simply the NT.


Too much logic makes you dumb Frodo. Relax the chains and get into the possibilities.

 

[phrodeau]

Wut? lol

I only used this, and its singular form.

I wrote you many pieces of advice.

And that Bible is simply the NT.


Too much logic makes you dumb Frodo. Relax the chains and get into the possibilities.

Throwing out the Old Testament is a huge copout.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

OK, maybe you can produce a quote from a scientist attesting to the veracity of the stories in the Bible. You might start with the sun being created after the earth had plants on it, or that worldwide flood, or the guy who survived for three days in the belly of a fish. You know, those holy scriptures that religious people must believe every word of.

Carl Sagan's quote is especially doubtful. We know Sagan better than that.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Wut? lol

I only used this, and its singular form.

I wrote you many pieces of advice.

And that Bible is simply the NT.


Too much logic makes you dumb Frodo. Relax the chains and get into the possibilities.

Logic is what keeps one from flying off into Neverland.

 

[RedShambhala]

Last month, my father died. I always had a complicated love/hate relationship to him. He was pretty much an atheist, "at best" an agnostic with a vague, passionless belief in the theoretical possibility of "something" out there, and if Bible (or the Qu'ran for that matter) are true, he is burning in hell now.

Personally, I'm not sure if I'm really that much of an atheist myself. I was always fascinated with the three Abrahamic religions and had been considering to convert to one of them for years before I finally gave it up.

Especially Christianity, especially Reformed Christianity was always deeply attractive to me; with its emphasis on being predestined, elected, chosen to be a pilgrim on this bitter, wretched earth, where you don't have an actual home anyway but seek one to come - the heavenly Jerusalem, etc.

Thinking about my father's death, I have also come to the conclusion that the idea of an afterlife is not necessarily more comforting than the idea of an actual end. And I'm not even talking about hell now, but about the idea of his "soul" now watching over us, the idea of our loved ones being in heaven and rejoicing when we pray, etc.

The idea of being watched out of a heavenly surveillance station feels are intrusive and creepy. The idea of an actual, factual end is much more comforting and soothing to me. There's something peaceful and conciliative about the idea of an actual end.

Also, I think one of the problems I had with Christianity is that after studying the Bible and theological literature from various sources, that the so-called "fundamentalists" are actually far more honest about the Bible and far more consistent. "Fundamentalism" at least has an inner logic, an inner honesty. They really take the Bible at face value and don't just interpret everything away.

By contrast, I was watching an interview with Cornel West (the left-wing Marxist philosopher you might know from Bill Maher's show, etc.) and, well, he's a Christian.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?168013-1/depth-cornel-west

So in this interview, people called in and asked him all kinds of questions ... and one dude was sceptical about him being a Christian, and asked him, "Do you even go to church? When was the last time you read the Bible?" - West then gave a passionate defense of Black liberation theology and MLK and so on, and said that the last passage in the Bible he read was 1 Corinthians 15:31, where Paul speaks about how he "dies daily" --- and West interpreted this passage that for the Christian, the homophobia, the racism, the sexism and so on "must die daily within oneself".

So I looked at the context of the passage and it read:

I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day! What do I gain if, humanly speaking, I fought with beasts at Ephesus? If the dead are not raised, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.” Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.” Wake up from your drunken stupor, as is right, and do not go on sinning. For some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.

So, the passage is simply an argument against those who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead. Paul says, the dead are raised and this is important for our faith, and because of the resurrection, he has the willigness and the ability "to die every day" and sacrifice himself for the cause of Christ.

And this is ... one of the many examples coming to head my now where I think, You can either be dishonest with the sources but then get something morally and ethically good out of it ... or you can be honest with your sources and then get something morally and intellectually terrible out of it.

I used to believe that Christianity is good but only individual Christians wicked and stupid. Lately I think the opposite is the case: Christianity (and Islam, etc.) is wicked and stupid and only individual Christians are good ... if they are NOT honest about what the Bible actually says.

Once they really ARE honest, you get what we describe as "fundamentalism"

Well.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Happy New Year! Christ was born approx 2018 years ago!!!

 

[Tryharder62]

Last month, my father died. I always had a complicated love/hate relationship to him. He was pretty much an atheist, "at best" an agnostic with a vague, passionless belief in the theoretical possibility of "something" out there, and if Bible (or the Qu'ran for that matter) are true, he is burning in hell now.

Personally, I'm not sure if I'm really that much of an atheist myself. I was always fascinated with the three Abrahamic religions and had been considering to convert to one of them for years before I finally gave it up.

Especially Christianity, especially Reformed Christianity was always deeply attractive to me; with its emphasis on being predestined, elected, chosen to be a pilgrim on this bitter, wretched earth, where you don't have an actual home anyway but seek one to come - the heavenly Jerusalem, etc.

Thinking about my father's death, I have also come to the conclusion that the idea of an afterlife is not necessarily more comforting than the idea of an actual end. And I'm not even talking about hell now, but about the idea of his "soul" now watching over us, the idea of our loved ones being in heaven and rejoicing when we pray, etc.

The idea of being watched out of a heavenly surveillance station feels are intrusive and creepy. The idea of an actual, factual end is much more comforting and soothing to me. There's something peaceful and conciliative about the idea of an actual end.

Also, I think one of the problems I had with Christianity is that after studying the Bible and theological literature from various sources, that the so-called "fundamentalists" are actually far more honest about the Bible and far more consistent. "Fundamentalism" at least has an inner logic, an inner honesty. They really take the Bible at face value and don't just interpret everything away.

By contrast, I was watching an interview with Cornel West (the left-wing Marxist philosopher you might know from Bill Maher's show, etc.) and, well, he's a Christian.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?168013-1/depth-cornel-west

So in this interview, people called in and asked him all kinds of questions ... and one dude was sceptical about him being a Christian, and asked him, "Do you even go to church? When was the last time you read the Bible?" - West then gave a passionate defense of Black liberation theology and MLK and so on, and said that the last passage in the Bible he read was 1 Corinthians 15:31, where Paul speaks about how he "dies daily" --- and West interpreted this passage that for the Christian, the homophobia, the racism, the sexism and so on "must die daily within oneself".

So I looked at the context of the passage and it read:



So, the passage is simply an argument against those who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead. Paul says, the dead are raised and this is important for our faith, and because of the resurrection, he has the willigness and the ability "to die every day" and sacrifice himself for the cause of Christ.

And this is ... one of the many examples coming to head my now where I think, You can either be dishonest with the sources but then get something morally and ethically good out of it ... or you can be honest with your sources and then get something morally and intellectually terrible out of it.

I used to believe that Christianity is good but only individual Christians wicked and stupid. Lately I think the opposite is the case: Christianity (and Islam, etc.) is wicked and stupid and only individual Christians are good ... if they are NOT honest about what the Bible actually says.

Once they really ARE honest, you get what we describe as "fundamentalism"

Well.

I am sorry to hear about your Dad. My dad died 6 years ago. We were very close. My mom died 11 years ago and we had the love/hate relationship going on. It is tough both ways.

You had some very good insights. I hope you keep posting. I'm with you that the thought of loved ones looking down,at times, is kind of creepy.

I think you are right, that the Bible, or any book, is read by the perspective of each reader. If you read the Bible with the perspective that God is love it reads very differently than someone who reads the Bible with the perspective that God really hates.

Very interesting!

 

[EternalFantasies]

Throwing out the Old Testament is a huge copout.

Not being thrown out - just set aside in the background, maybe to include later.

Given how unimportant my posts are, and of course no one would remember them, might I be even more presumptuous than i already am so as to recommend you do a search for my posts in here, chronologically, even starting with 'EternalFantasy'.

They are not many, and I tend to be linear - with each user separately even quite often. Tips that is, in a growing linear order.

I'll throw another: it is for precisely your latest complain up there, that Jesus came. Belly of fish and all.

https://imgs.steps.dragoart.com/how-to-draw-a-christian-fish-ichthys-step-4_1_000000180329_5.png

Carl Sagan's quote is especially doubtful. We know Sagan better than that.

I'm afraid it appears not. But then again, why research? Just shoot out preconception claims.

Logic is what keeps one from flying off into Neverland.

Sure. Flying is certainly dangerous. Logic keeps you grounded, is what you mean.

But if you knew how to fly, boy it's certain beats crawling even on exotic garden soils.

So I agree, if one decides to learn, better choose one's flight instructor carefully.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Personally, I'm not sure if I'm really that much of an atheist myself. I was always fascinated with the three Abrahamic religions and had been considering to convert to one of them for years before I finally gave it up.

I may sound like an extremist, but I am not, this is from careful study and use of precise words:

There are two 'Abrahamic religions'. Islam is not a religion - or should not be. It's a cult that follows a book, and does so badly as well on top of it.
The book has much good stuff in it, but many books do. And it's one that attempts to explain "Abrahamic religions" and instruct on how to live, daily, even hourly at times.

It regresses people. and proof is in the pudding.

Especially Christianity, especially Reformed Christianity was always deeply attractive to me; with its emphasis on being predestined, elected, chosen to be a pilgrim on this bitter, wretched earth, where you don't have an actual home anyway but seek one to come - the heavenly Jerusalem, etc.

An exciting journey which's main risk is to travel it with a stained heart. Purity and good will are key.

Also, I think one of the problems I had with Christianity is that after studying the Bible and theological literature from various sources, that the so-called "fundamentalists" are actually far more honest about the Bible and far more consistent. "Fundamentalism" at least has an inner logic, an inner honesty. They really take the Bible at face value and don't just interpret everything away.

They appear honest and may very well be too, sure. But they got nothing.

It's as if I just said: the proof is in the pudding, and you go into your fridge, dig your fingers into the pudding, find nothing and get pissed, or consider that the jelly feel to the pudding must be the point...

And this is ... one of the many examples coming to head my now where I think, You can either be dishonest with the sources but then get something morally and ethically good out of it ... or you can be honest with your sources and then get something morally and intellectually terrible out of it.

I guess you're back on extremists, and I think the use of the words honest/dishonest here is incompatible.
In reality, the ones you are viewing as dishonest, are simply interpreting not extremists and do not take the Bible so literally, or blindly literally, and appear vague. While those you are seeing as "honest" are the ones taking it so literally, blindly, and appear true to you, while they are nothing but idiots.

the proof, is in the pudding, you said it yourself: "they are morally & intellectually terrible".

I wouldn't look at it as honest/dishonest kind of context.

I used to believe that Christianity is good but only individual Christians wicked and stupid. Lately I think the opposite is the case: Christianity (and Islam, etc.) is wicked and stupid and only individual Christians are good ... if they are NOT honest about what the Bible actually says.

This is a continuation of using that logic you used above. The honest/dishonest context, which is deeply flawed, and is leading you to erroneous conclusions.

Once they really ARE honest, you get what we describe as "fundamentalism"

Well.

This is a continuation of using that logic you used above. The honest/dishonest context, which is deeply flawed, and is leading you to erroneous conclusions.


Sorry if I sounded a bit... redundant.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Your string of quotes seem very secondhand, but then, you clearly believe your sources.

Then again, you also believe the Bible, so I'm taking you with an extra few grains of salt.

 

[EternalFantasies]

"Seem"?

hehe.. a quick search will show you how these quotes are very correct. Especially Sagan.

He also said this: "The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."

The book: The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the dark.



Sagan was not religious, but spiritual. he believed in science only, and from it, saw divine spirituality.

What he fails in, I'll grant you, is how those religious figures or prophets knew stuff only modern science showed him in this era.

 

[phrodeau]

"Seem"?

hehe.. a quick search will show you how these quotes are very correct. Especially Sagan.

He also said this: "The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."

The book: The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the dark.



Sagan was not religious, but spiritual. he believed in science only, and from it, saw divine spirituality.

What he fails in, I'll grant you, is how those religious figures or prophets knew stuff only modern science showed him in this era.

What did they know exactly?

 

[Tryharder62]

Talking to the wind..... You don't throw the old testament out you realize Jesus changed the whole ballgame! Hey batterrrrrrrrrrrr!

 

[phrodeau]

Talking to the wind..... You don't throw the old testament out you realize Jesus changed the whole ballgame! Hey batterrrrrrrrrrrr!

Is that how God changed from hateful to loving?