How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

I know I'm going to heaven. I found Jesus when I first began having sex and now I scream his name every time I have a religeous experience.

Was he in the room with you?

 

[Doctor Joe]

I know I'm going to heaven. I found Jesus when I first began having sex and now I scream his name every time I have a religeous experience.

God the Father too, I would imagine!!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Don't forget the Holy Ghost.

H.G. : "Boo!"

H.G. : I got experience, dude. I knocked Mary up when she was betrothed to Joey boy.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So God makes people liberal unless you beat the crap out of them. I see.

What I'm saying regarding that is that many Liberals don't believe in punishing kids, which is why many of their kids are usually have deep behavioral issues, are narcissistic and don't know right from wrong. Then they blame it on society and their solution is to send them through the justice system rather than teaching them right from wrong and punishing them when they are bad to encourage good behavior.

 

[Que]

Are you punishing yourself for being bad, or are you rewarding yourself for being good with your presense in this den of iniquity?

Speaking of iniquity, why is it that your self-appointed ministry does not seem to have a crying repentence component? Surely, you have stumbled across some pretty blatant sins here, why is mum the word on that?

 

[phrodeau]

I think he enjoys it.

:caning::caning::caning::caning::caning:

 

[Que]

I think he enjoys it.

:caning::caning::caning::caning::caning:

Not as much as he would like to. He is basically hashtag with a side order of religious zealotry. There is a reason that he's selling his cheap brand of redemption here and not at some other random forum like say a car forum or a gardening forum or some other place. He's here specifically because he hopes that sinners will run him out of town on a rail after applying hot tar and feathers.

 

[Que]

Puritans believed that you could earn your way right up to Heaven's door and Christ would lift you over the threshold with his grace. I come from literal puritanical stock so I think a certain amount of that mindset is ingrained in me emotionally but intellectually I don't think any of that has any particular scriptural support. Because it really doesn't matter how much effort you put in whatever you put in is not going to be sufficient and you are going to need grace. That said, I still think it would be rather rude to accept the grace without making your best effort.

There are other disciplines that want to scourge you of your sins in this life to purify you and make you ready for the life to come. There are acetics and masochists of all stripes trying to beat the sins out of themselves and others.

He is neither of the two. No works needed, no sins need be forsaken. Say a prayer, think you mean it, even absent any of the above, and you're in. What is salvation worth if it's obtained that cheaply?

His kind are aware they have done nothing active for their faith and feel guilty about it. It's human nature to appreciate things that you have earned. He knows that his prayer has earned him nothing. So he plans to earn it the easiest way possible and that's by feeling persecuted by others for being one of those weird Christians. so he stands on the street corner with the bull horn and shouts & carries on and tries everything he can to provoke a negative reaction out of other people so that he can feel persecuted.

 

[Tryharder62]

That said, I still think it would be rather rude to accept the grace without making your best effort.

I think you are right. Faith without works is dead. We can't work our way to heaven, but if we have faith it would be dead without works. His salivation is a free gift and if you truly have it you will want to make your best effort.


Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, an by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

See, that's the trouble with actually buying into the Christian bible. It's just not reliable. It can lead you to believe things that just don't make sense. Then again, I believe in the ancient Gods, but at least I admit that I don't have empirical evidence for them. Frankly, it still makes more sense than a book that contradicts itself from cover to cover so much that it could be used to support two diametrically opposite conclusions on any number of issues.

 

[phrodeau]

See, that's the trouble with actually buying into the Christian bible. It's just not reliable. It can lead you to believe things that just don't make sense. Then again, I believe in the ancient Gods, but at least I admit that I don't have empirical evidence for them. Frankly, it still makes more sense than a book that contradicts itself from cover to cover so much that it could be used to support two diametrically opposite conclusions on any number of issues.

That's how we ended up with a thousand and one religions, all claiming to be based on the Bible.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

That's how we ended up with a thousand and one religions, all claiming to be based on the Bible.

Indeed, including Islam, which is also based partly on it as well as with the Quran. People forget that Islam is no less a part of the Abrahamic tradition as Judaism and all sects of Christianity. Hence why they include some surprising common positions with Christianity and Judaism, such as similar dietary laws on some points, as well as the shared belief of Christians and Muslims that Jesus was virgin born. Not that I agree with them there, but it's a fact that the Quran teaches this.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Indeed, including Islam, which is also based partly on it as well as with the Quran. People forget that Islam is no less a part of the Abrahamic tradition as Judaism and all sects of Christianity. Hence why they include some surprising common positions with Christianity and Judaism, such as similar dietary laws on some points, as well as the shared belief of Christians and Muslims that Jesus was virgin born. Not that I agree with them there, but it's a fact that the Quran teaches this.

Sure. But, there's a major flaw. it does not teach like Christianity does and bring progress and prosperity; it rather degrades for lack of teaching and merely instructing.

Which makes it a no religion, rather some cult, with no useful purpose.

The book though is good, yea. Plato's books too are mostly worth a read.

 

[Tryharder62]

See, that's the trouble with actually buying into the Christian bible. It's just not reliable. It can lead you to believe things that just don't make sense. Then again, I believe in the ancient Gods, but at least I admit that I don't have empirical evidence for them. Frankly, it still makes more sense than a book that contradicts itself from cover to cover so much that it could be used to support two diametrically opposite conclusions on any number of issues.

I get what you're saying, I really do. Most of the contradictions are because there's comparisons with the Old Testament to the New Testament. Jesus did make a big difference. He even said things like:
In Matthew:

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Things changed.

Muslims believe that God revealed all to his Prophet Muhammad. My Jewish friends believe that the Messiah is yet to come. In general, Christians believe that Jesus came, died on the cross, and was resurrected for the forgiveness of our sins. We have to choose what to believe or what not to believe. Thing is at some point you have to take the leap and have faith, or not believe it all. I chose faith.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Sure. But, there's a major flaw. it does not teach like Christianity does and bring progress and prosperity; it rather degrades for lack of teaching and merely instructing.

Which makes it a no religion, rather some cult, with no useful purpose.

The book though is good, yea. Plato's books too are mostly worth a read.

Arguably, Christianity doesn't teach much, either, let alone anything progressive. Consider Paul's admonitions that slaves blindly obey masters and subjects meekly submit to the tyranny of their king.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Arguably, Christianity doesn't teach much, either, let alone anything progressive.

Forget the obvious... there are loads of books on this subject. The question is more whether Christianity caused too much progress...

And it teaches loads.............. but hey, no practice no gain.

Consider Paul's admonitions that slaves blindly obey masters and subjects meekly submit to the tyranny of their king.

Paul's an idiot. Much of his stuff is good advice, and the bad ones are of such a high degree that they destroy any value of his good advice.

Christianity isn't Paul, he only influenced it. Excluding him for one's learning is entirely kosher.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Are you punishing yourself for being bad, or are you rewarding yourself for being good with your presense in this den of iniquity?

Speaking of iniquity, why is it that your self-appointed ministry does not seem to have a crying repentence component? Surely, you have stumbled across some pretty blatant sins here, why is mum the word on that?

I stick to my own discussions and sometimes other, non sexual discussions.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Dear friends, Take this moment, If you want to accept Jesus Christ free gift of salvation, pray this from your heart, humbly to God:

"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven

 

[Que]

Is there a place supporters of your religio-trolling of porn-boards ministry can send money?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

See, that's the trouble with actually buying into the Christian bible. It's just not reliable. It can lead you to believe things that just don't make sense. Then again, I believe in the ancient Gods, but at least I admit that I don't have empirical evidence for them. Frankly, it still makes more sense than a book that contradicts itself from cover to cover so much that it could be used to support two diametrically opposite conclusions on any number of issues.

It's very reliable, it's just that people fail to accurately divide the word of Truth. This is what I believe: James was written to JEWS who were still under the LAW. The LAW is a works based salvation/system. Paul on the other hand was written to the GENTILES who are NOT under law, but are under GRACE. GRACE is a Faith based system. Salvation is NOT of works. We are living in the age of GRACE. Once the rapture of the Church occurs, the Gospel of the Kingdom will once again resume and the law will prevail. The JEWS will again be the ones worshiping the true God for the most part. In order for a law keeping Jew to be saved, they MUST believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and accept Him as such.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

That's how we ended up with a thousand and one religions, all claiming to be based on the Bible.

That's just it. They don't all claim to be based on the Bible. Some are, some add other things in there, some don't use the Bible at all. Of the ones that DO use the Bible, many of them fail to divide the word properly and apply scripture that was meant for the Jews under the Law, to the Gentiles who are currently under Grace.

 

[EternalFantasies]

See, that's the trouble with actually buying into the Christian bible. I found it just not reliable. I think it can lead you to believe things that just don't make sense. Then again, I believe in the ancient Gods, but at least I admit that I don't have empirical evidence for them. Frankly, it still makes more sense - to me - than a book that I think contradicts itself from cover to cover so much that it could be used to support two diametrically opposite conclusions on any number of issues.

sheesh.. how did i miss this.

FYP, in bold.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

sheesh.. how did i miss this.

FYP, in bold.

Your point being? That I'm not arrogant enough to assert that my truths are 100% inerrant, unlike the writers of the bible?

 

[phrodeau]

That's just it. They don't all claim to be based on the Bible. Some are, some add other things in there, some don't use the Bible at all. Of the ones that DO use the Bible, many of them fail to divide the word properly and apply scripture that was meant for the Jews under the Law, to the Gentiles who are currently under Grace.

There is not a single religion that accepts every word of the Bible as inerrant. They all cherry-pick the bits they like, and ignore the bits they don't. No exceptions.

There are dozens of clear, blatant contradictions, and some that are even within a few verses of each other.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

There is not a single religion that accepts every word of the Bible as inerrant. They all cherry-pick the bits they like, and ignore the bits they don't. No exceptions.

There are dozens of clear, blatant contradictions, and some that are even within a few verses of each other.

Yes, this is true. Even the fundamentalists miss or ignore context, such as history and actual verses in the same chapter. The Bible is a Rorschach test.....you see in it what you like.