So Conservatives are Nazi's?

[GiaCat]

I have observed that Liberals and Conservatives are really the same kind of people. They are just separated by ideology. When I say they are the same, I mean that their world view is very stark, very black and white, ideological, and very literal. So if Conservatives are Nazi's, it makes sense that Liberals are Stalinist. BTW, Stalin and Hitler hated each other and they where two sides of the same coin.

Now how ludicrous does all this sound when put into the proper perspective? I have seen in the past two years a huge upswing in in nastiness on both sides. Liberals call conservatives 'mean spirited'. But just watch CNN for one hour and you will see nasty scowls and negativity. Conservatives say liberals are crushing freedom, yet many are religious and oppress anyone who does not submit to their church.

So their is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. Both sides accuse the other of doing exactly what they are doing themselves. Well guess what? They do this because they are the same kind of people.

So if you are in either of these two camps, remember that the next time you point a finger at your opposition, you are really pointing at yourself.

 

[flanneland]

Good post. But really, everyone is a "nazi." Whoever you don't like is a "nazi." And what exactly that is is slippery enough to be able to use it on people. It's ridiculous and so are we, as a society.

 

[dontbackdown]

I have observed that Liberals and Conservatives are really the same kind of people. They are just separated by ideology. When I say they are the same, I mean that their world view is very stark, very black and white, ideological, and very literal. So if Conservatives are Nazi's, it makes sense that Liberals are Stalinist. BTW, Stalin and Hitler hated each other and they where two sides of the same coin.

Now how ludicrous does all this sound when put into the proper perspective? I have seen in the past two years a huge upswing in in nastiness on both sides. Liberals call conservatives 'mean spirited'. But just watch CNN for one hour and you will see nasty scowls and negativity. Conservatives say liberals are crushing freedom, yet many are religious and oppress anyone who does not submit to their church.

So their is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. Both sides accuse the other of doing exactly what they are doing themselves. Well guess what? They do this because they are the same kind of people.

So if you are in either of these two camps, remember that the next time you point a finger at your opposition, you are really pointing at yourself.

You've hit on a truth there little Cat.

Both the Nazi's and the Communists are birthed from the same school. That of Wilhelm Hegel. His philosophical thought was that the state was the highest manifestation of God. Marx, a student of Hegel, took it to the next level and said, "Who needs God at all?" Hitler and his fellow fascists kept God in the equation but merely asserted that they (the state) were his instrument here on earth. (Not unlike the Monarchs up to the 18th century.)

The 'State' is a necessary evil. It has to exist in order for there to be an orderly society. That involves taxes and laws. The more intrusive the state, the less freedom can be enjoyed by the individual.

And getting to the real problem. Neither most of the professed "conservatives" nor the professed "progressives/liberals" are quite what they seem to be. Me? I find it better if I view what they want to do not in the light of what they "want to do for me" but more in the light of what the cost will be, cost in the terms of taxation and in my freedom of action.

 

[Hypoxia]

Neither conservatives nor liberals remain in Amerikkka, not to any set of principles. All that remain are feuding corporate and populist factions. Gups and their ilk gave up principled conservatism after Nixon. Dums held out till Wee Willie Clinton triangulated them into irrelevance.

Gup voters are now owned by Tromp, who was never a Gup. The Gup and Dum party establishments are owned by various corporations and robber barons. Any who push for traditional principles in their clubs are flailed as RINOs, DINOs, snowflakes, cucks, etc. The power play now underway has no room for principles. Bring your shotgun.

 

[Rightguide]

I have observed that Liberals and Conservatives are really the same kind of people. They are just separated by ideology. When I say they are the same, I mean that their world view is very stark, very black and white, ideological, and very literal. So if Conservatives are Nazi's, it makes sense that Liberals are Stalinist. BTW, Stalin and Hitler hated each other and they where two sides of the same coin.

Now how ludicrous does all this sound when put into the proper perspective? I have seen in the past two years a huge upswing in in nastiness on both sides. Liberals call conservatives 'mean spirited'. But just watch CNN for one hour and you will see nasty scowls and negativity. Conservatives say liberals are crushing freedom, yet many are religious and oppress anyone who does not submit to their church.

So their is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. Both sides accuse the other of doing exactly what they are doing themselves. Well guess what? They do this because they are the same kind of people.

So if you are in either of these two camps, remember that the next time you point a finger at your opposition, you are really pointing at yourself.

I hear what your trying to say but where you go wrong is real conservatives are not cut from totalitarian cloth, as are the other two creatures of the left. They support the Constitution as written which places huge constraints on the power of government...for the first time in the history of man.

 

[nowisthetime]

Gia, what you are describing as liberals are actually totalitarians, which really do not exist in the United states in large numbers.

When we are dealing with the United States, it is THE RIGHTISTS who are violent. So many massive shootings and threats are brought on by RIGHTISTS, much more so than the LEFTISTS.


There are the three groups of hard core American rightists--The bigots, the corporatists, and the fundamentalists (in regards to religion). Or a blend of all three.

I will add the Islamists to the fundamentalists type. Funny the Islamists and Christian radicals hate each other but they are two peas of the same pod. They are RIGHTISTS.

See this article: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/look-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/



In the United States, the left encompasses a whole range of people. For example, many African-Americans and Latinos hold traditionally 'rightist' views on matters of religion, but leftist views on various political issues.

The Left in the United States is much more complex. However to the rightists, anyone who calls out their absurdibity is automatically placed in the left category as if there are no moderates.

Let's look at the situation as a matter of offense and defense, as in a sports game. The right is offensive, the left is simply defensive. If the Left is more hardened, it's a simple pushback against the oppressive policies of rightists.

 

[Wats_butthole]

I hear what your trying to say but where you go wrong is real conservatives are not cut from totalitarian cloth, as are the other two creatures of the left. They support the Constitution as written which places huge constraints on the power of government...for the first time in the history of man.

Lol...what an idiot.

 

[jaF0]

I have observed that Liberals and Conservatives are really the same kind of people.

Ask yourself who would openly accept you in public at their school or business or dating their child and who would tell you which bathroom to use.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ask yourself who would openly accept you in public at their school or business or dating their child and who would tell you which bathroom to use.

Ask yourself who would openly accept yo in public at their school or business or dating their child and who would tell you which pronouns to use, whether or not you're allowed to have a business or how much of your money/wealth you're allowed to keep.

That door swings both ways.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Gia, what you are describing as liberals are actually totalitarians, which really do not exist in the United states in large numbers.

When we are dealing with the United States, it is THE RIGHTISTS who are violent. So many massive shootings and threats are brought on by RIGHTISTS, much more so than the LEFTISTS.


There are the three groups of hard core American rightists--The bigots, the corporatists, and the fundamentalists (in regards to religion). Or a blend of all three.

I will add the Islamists to the fundamentalists type. Funny the Islamists and Christian radicals hate each other but they are two peas of the same pod. They are RIGHTISTS.

See this article: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/look-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/



In the United States, the left encompasses a whole range of people. For example, many African-Americans and Latinos hold traditionally 'rightist' views on matters of religion, but leftist views on various political issues.

The Left in the United States is much more complex. However to the rightists, anyone who calls out their absurdibity is automatically placed in the left category as if there are no moderates.

Let's look at the situation as a matter of offense and defense, as in a sports game. The right is offensive, the left is simply defensive. If the Left is more hardened, it's a simple pushback against the oppressive policies of rightists.

This is better than Hypoxia for leftist cheerleading bullshit.......impressive partisanship.

 

[Comshaw]

I have observed that Liberals and Conservatives are really the same kind of people. They are just separated by ideology. When I say they are the same, I mean that their world view is very stark, very black and white, ideological, and very literal. So if Conservatives are Nazi's, it makes sense that Liberals are Stalinist. BTW, Stalin and Hitler hated each other and they where two sides of the same coin.

Now how ludicrous does all this sound when put into the proper perspective? I have seen in the past two years a huge upswing in in nastiness on both sides. Liberals call conservatives 'mean spirited'. But just watch CNN for one hour and you will see nasty scowls and negativity. Conservatives say liberals are crushing freedom, yet many are religious and oppress anyone who does not submit to their church.

So their is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. Both sides accuse the other of doing exactly what they are doing themselves. Well guess what? They do this because they are the same kind of people.

So if you are in either of these two camps, remember that the next time you point a finger at your opposition, you are really pointing at yourself.

The funny part of this is many believe this division is new, "... I have seen in the past two years a huge upswing in in nastiness on both sides..." If you've only seen it in the last two years then you are way to young to remember the last big cycle like this. The late 60's early 70's when the country was torn apart by the Vietnam war.

Before that you had to go back to before WWII. Ever heard of the bonus army? Read about it. Read about the union movement, Joe Hill and others. Prohibition was another huge issue that divided the nation. And of course the most destructive one off all, the Civil War.

It is part of human nature to vilify those we oppose. Some try not to, but most have to because they can't bring themselves to humanize someone they are going to oppose.

And it didn't start two years ago. Go back over the Obama administration years. Lots of slander and name calling there. Then look at the GWB years. A lot there also. And the Clinton administration and so on and so forth. Thinking that this is only a recent event is naive. Ignoring the past is dangerous.

I could care less if people want to hurl insults at each other. A few years from now their going to be bosom buddies again, or at least civil to each other. It happens. What I can not stand nor abide is the lack of fact from either side. You got an opinion? Great! Let me hear it and we'll debate that. BUT don't try to pass off that opinion (yours or someone elses ) as fact. That muddies the water of legitimate debate and totally pisses me off. One of the worse things that ever happened to this country was when the courts decided that lying by a politician in a campaign was protected speech. Christ on a crutch. Here's the people who are suppose to be our leaders, the ones we are suppose to rely on to run this fucking mad house and they can lie and call it protected? Fuck. Just fuck!

Yea it ain't new, it ain't confined to this era and it will appear in the future. Such is the human condition.

I hear what your trying to say but where you go wrong is real conservatives are not cut from totalitarian cloth, as are the other two creatures of the left. They support the Constitution as written which places huge constraints on the power of government...for the first time in the history of man.

You know that's' really, really funny coming from you. Do you have to do facial contortions to talk out both sides of your mouth that way?

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=88272009&postcount=52


Comshaw

 

[Rightguide]

You know that's' really, really funny coming from you. Do you have to do facial contortions to talk out both sides of your mouth that way?

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=88272009&postcount=52


Comshaw

Totally true in both cases.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I have observed that Liberals and Conservatives are really the same kind of people. They are just separated by ideology. When I say they are the same, I mean that their world view is very stark, very black and white, ideological, and very literal. So if Conservatives are Nazi's, it makes sense that Liberals are Stalinist. BTW, Stalin and Hitler hated each other and they where two sides of the same coin.

Now how ludicrous does all this sound when put into the proper perspective? I have seen in the past two years a huge upswing in in nastiness on both sides. Liberals call conservatives 'mean spirited'. But just watch CNN for one hour and you will see nasty scowls and negativity. Conservatives say liberals are crushing freedom, yet many are religious and oppress anyone who does not submit to their church.

So their is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. Both sides accuse the other of doing exactly what they are doing themselves. Well guess what? They do this because they are the same kind of people.

So if you are in either of these two camps, remember that the next time you point a finger at your opposition, you are really pointing at yourself.

The snowflakes are falling and the warm glow of "balance equivalency fallacy" is in the hearth of GiaCat Manor.

"But..but...MOM! The other side does it tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

 

[Comshaw]

Totally true in both cases.

Yes it is...due process and innocent until proven guilty, which you expound on the one hand and ignore on the other. As I said talkin' out both sides of your mouth.



Comshaw

 

[BotanyBoy]

The snowflakes are falling and the warm glow of "balance equivalency fallacy" is in the hearth of GiaCat Manor.

"But..but...MOM! The other side does it tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

"STOP POINTING OUT THE GLARING HYPOCRISY!!! MY PARTY IS BETTER WHEN IT DOES THE SAME SHIT I BASH THE OTHER GUYS FOR!!!"


LOL.....Rob the only partisan (D)ick sucker to ever challenge SR71Poser's level of ri(D)e or (D)ie Cheer Lea(D)ing.

 

[nowisthetime]

I don't agree with your false equivalencies, it is the right that is committing violence against folks who have done NOTHING to them, only owing to the fact that they are different.

And they have become emboldened by a hate-filled sitting president and an enabling right wing led Congress.

It's one thing for some hoodlum to shoot someone they know because of a burned drug deal, it's another to just walk into a store and shoot up innocent people.

See below article:

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/there-was-a-terror-attack-in-colorado-last-week-but-no-one-is-talking-about-it/
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There Was a Terrorist Attack in a Colorado Walmart Last Week, and No One Is Talking About It

White supremacist violence seemingly doesn't count in Trump's America

By Arun Gupta / Raw Story
November 8, 2017, 8:52 AM GMT

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Accused gunman Scott Ostrem
Photo Credit: Adams County Sheriff's Office

Scott Ostrem, a 47-year-old, white man, walked into a Walmart north of Denver on Nov. 1 and opened fire. Eyewitnesses described him as “nonchalantly” shooting shoppers with a handgun, killing three.
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Police captured Ostrem alive the next day. They said they had “no possible motive for the shooting other than to say there was nothing to suggest it was related to terrorism.”

The incident meets the FBI definition of a mass killing: Three or more people who died in a public place. But sandwiched between a Halloween day attack that killed eight in Manhattan and the slaughter of 26 people at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, the Walmart killings have faded into the background.

That’s a mistake. Ostrem’s rampage deserves far more attention because it represents the foremost terrorist threat in America today: White supremacist violence unleashed and encouraged by President Donald J. Trump.

Ostrem killed three Hispanic people, Pam Marques, Victor Vasquez, and Carlos Moreno, all parents. In the apartment complex where Ostrem lived, neighbors described him as “a bizarre, angry man who lived alone in an apartment with a stack of Bibles and virtually no furniture.” He was a “loner who would walk around carrying weapons” like a shotgun or bow and arrows.

When it came to relations with neighbors, Ostrem “was very racist towards Hispanics.” Another said he was “verbally abusive towards Hispanics.”

The local CBS affiliate reported Ostrem “often expressed dislike for Hispanics to their faces.” A Hispanic employee at the building said, “If he saw a Hispanic person, he would tell them to get out of his way.” One neighbor said Ostrem would say, “’This is America. You shouldn’t be here.”

That sentiment could have come right out of Donald Trump’s mouth.

Is there any doubt how Trump would have reacted if a Muslim carried around weapons, kept a stack of Korans in his apartment, verbally abused Christians, and then killed three people? Trump would have lit up Twitter, calling for “much tougher Extreme Vetting Procedures,” decrying Democrats who let the “terrorist” slip across our borders, and condemning the “truly evil” people coming in because of broken immigration policies.

Compare this to the Manhattan attack. Two hours after it happened, before the name of the perpetrator was released, officials designated it an act of terrorism. That assessment was apparently based on nothing more than the suspect, Sayfullo Saipov, yelling “God is great” in Arabic after he mowed down cyclists and pedestrians with a truck. Gov. Andrew Cuomo called Saipov one of “these lone wolves who commit an act of terror,” linking him to ISIS. A day later, Saipov was hit with federal terrorism charges.

What officials said of Saipov — a lone wolf “consumed by hate and a twisted ideology” — applies as much to Scott Ostrem and the other white supremacists who have murdered at least nine people since Trump was elected.

The killers attack the same people Trump demonized during his campaign — Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics, immigrants — and they are motivated by Trump’s words and ideology.

In February, U.S. Navy vet Adam Purinton confronted two Indian men in a bar in Kansas, asking if they were in the country legally, and yelled “Get out of my country,”before killing Srinivas Kuchibhotla and wounding two others. Purinton believed he had shot Iranians, another community scapegoated by Trump.


In May, Sean Urbanski, who liked “memes about Donald Trump, white supremacy, and the alt-right,” stabbed to death Richard Collins III, a black second lieutenant in the U.S. Army. The killing echoed a case in March when Army vet James Jackson stabbed to death Timothy Caughman. Jackson murdered the 66-year-old Black man because “The white race is being eroded. … No one cares about you. The Chinese don’t care about you, the Blacks don’t care about you

Also in May, Jeremy Christian stabbed to death Ricky John Best, father of four, and Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche, a recent college graduate, on a train in Portland, Oregon, after they defended two black women, one wearing a hijab, being threatened by Christian. Weeks earlier, Christian had attended a pro-Trump alt-right rally in Portland where he yelled “Die Muslims.”

Most notorious is the neo-Nazi murder of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville in August during an orgy of violence by white supremacists. Days later Trump praised the extremists as “very fine people.”

Many other white supremacist attacks have garnered little attention because the plots were busted, police looked the other way, or people were injured, sometimes severely, but not killed.

Because Trump hits the mute button following white supremacist violence, news outlets chastise him for turning a blind eye. That misses the real story. A recent FBI-DHS report determined white supremacists were the most dangerous domestic extremists.

Rather than counter right-wing terrorism, Trump is enabling it by reducing scrutiny and cutting funds to help “right-wing extremists move away from radical ideas.” Additionally, he’s engaged in a bait-and-switch to divert attention from his brand of terrorism. His administration has fabricated threats such as “Black Identity Extremists,”and he warns MS-13 gangs have “literally taken over” U.S. towns and cities, a notion completely undermined by FBI data.

Trump also hypes “Islamist terrorism” like the San Bernardino couple who killed 14 people in 2015. He exploited those deaths to call for a Muslim ban despite the fact police “never established the motive.” Trump portrays Saipov and Omar Mateen of the Pulse nightclub slaughter as super-soldiers in a global jihad that can only be stopped by bans on Muslims, refugees, and various immigrants. But each one was simply “an aspiring violent criminal searching for a larger justification for the acts he’s desperate to commit.” They are blood brothers with white mass murderers like Stephen Paddock.

Trump’s complicity with right-wing terrorism goes further. He’s courted white supremacists and propagated their beliefs for years. A former DHS intelligence official says Trump empowers white supremacists because they see “an administration in place today that is supportive of their ideological agenda.”

Those storm clouds were brewing before Trump’s election. In October 2016 the FBI foiled a plot by a Kansas militia called “the Crusaders” to wipe out a Somali-American community in Garden City. They called the immigrants “cockroaches” and planned to perpetrate an Oklahoma City-style massacre, the 1995 bombing by right-wing militiamen that killed 168 people and stands as deadliest incident of domestic terrorism in modern U.S. history.

Sounding like Trump, the Kansas militiamen said the Somalis were “a threat to American society” and hoped a bloodbath would “wake up” a lot more people to “decide they want this country back.”

With a president who uses the Bully Pulpit as a recruiting tool for right-wing terrorism, it’s only a matter of time before some of his followers try a slaughter on this scale again. And no one can see we didn’t see it coming.



Arun Gupta has written for dozens of publications including the Washington Post, the Nation and the Guardian. He is the author of Bacon as a Weapon of Mass Destruction: A Junk-Food-Loving Chef’s Inquiry into Taste (The New Press).