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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

  • YES

    Votes: 48 16.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 148 50.5%

  • I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE

    Votes: 62 21.2%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 35 11.9%
  • Total voters
    293
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xfrodobagginsx said:
I am referring to the BEFORE the Universe was created. There was nothing. Unless you believe that the matter created it's self or is self existent, but that wouldn't be scientific. Matter cannot exist on it's own.
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There is no time before. It has always been. It will always be.

We will not however. We are on our way out. We are our own worst enemy. And that of all others.
 
jaF0 said:
There is no time before. It has always been. It will always be.

We will not however. We are on our way out. We are our own worst enemy. And that of all others.
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Personally I believe that all-powerful God is self-existent as the Bible says and created this matter from nothing with his spoken word. It is scientifically impossible for the matter and energy to exist on its own. If you look at both of those possibilities and then you compare the other evidence it is very clear that the only option that is really true is that God created the matter.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Personally I believe that all-powerful God is self-existent as the Bible says and created this matter from nothing with his spoken word. It is scientifically impossible for the matter and energy to exist on its own. If you look at both of those possibilities and then you compare the other evidence it is very clear that the only option that is really true is that God created the matter.
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Cite? :confused:
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
The logic of science. The logic of any reasonable human being. Something cannot materialize from nothing. It's the 3rd law of thermodynamics. Matter and Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only converted one to another.
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There is no evidence that anything was created out of nothing.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
I cite the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the law of conservation of energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
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The second law of thermodynamics has to do with a condition on certain notions of entropy for closed systems. Conservation of energy has to do with invariant quantities in time and, depending on which physicist you ask, is routinely violated in general relativity. Neither of which bears on matter and energy existing on their own.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Personally I believe that all-powerful God is self-existent as the Bible says and created this matter from nothing with his spoken word. It is scientifically impossible for the matter and energy to exist on its own. If you look at both of those possibilities and then you compare the other evidence it is very clear that the only option that is really true is that God created the matter.
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Believe what you will. I can't change that.

But be aware that Genesis in Hebrew attributes creation (or 'shaping'?) to 'elohim', multiple deities. Biblical texts (including the varied versions of Pentateuch) mention other gods. False prophets are decried, but not "false gods" -- you won't find that phrase in the KJV. Organizing Terran affairs is thus obviously a supernatural team effort.

Also be aware that Genesis itself is a mashup of creation and other myths from various MidEast sources. Very little is original there.

Also be aware that "scientifically impossible" is a meaningless phrase. Science deals with the probability that a workable, testable model accurately describes observed events, processes, or systems. Such models are subject to change as new data and understandings appear. What's impossible today is mandatory tomorrow.
 
Richard_P_Feynman said:
The second law of thermodynamics has to do with a condition on certain notions of entropy for closed systems. Conservation of energy has to do with invariant quantities in time and, depending on which physicist you ask, is routinely violated in general relativity. Neither of which bears on matter and energy existing on their own.
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You mean like the fact that if evolution were true, then the temperature in the Universe would all be the same, yet it's different?


I was mistaken, it was the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, not the 2nd. What does the 1st law say?
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
You mean like the fact that if evolution were true, then the temperature in the Universe would all be the same, yet it's different?


I was mistaken, it was the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, not the 2nd. What does the 1st law say?
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You linked to it earlier - the conservation of energy.

The biosphere of Earth is not a closed system, so neither law has any bearing on evolution.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
You mean like the fact that if evolution were true, then the temperature in the Universe would all be the same, yet it's different?
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Evolution is "the survival of change over time." Lifeforms evolve; we can watch them doing so in any microbiology lab. Landscapes, stars, and ideas evolve. Even cretinist ideas evolve. :D

Stellar and galactic evolution will slowly redistribute mass-energy around the universe, sure. But biological evolution can only be a factor if super-beings evolve who rebuild galaxies. Maybe that massive black hole in the center of the Milky Way is part of such a project.
 
Hypoxia said:
Evolution is "the survival of change over time." Lifeforms evolve; we can watch them doing so in any microbiology lab. Landscapes, stars, and ideas evolve. Even cretinist ideas evolve. :D

Stellar and galactic evolution will slowly redistribute mass-energy around the universe, sure. But biological evolution can only be a factor if super-beings evolve who rebuild galaxies. Maybe that massive black hole in the center of the Milky Way is part of such a project.
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What you see are examples of Lateral Adaptation, not Darwinian Evolution.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
What you see are examples of Lateral Adaptation, not Darwinian Evolution.
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Evolution is the survival of change over time. Darwin pointed out (after exhaustive research) some biological selective mechanisms. An 'adaptation' model has no scientific basis.

What biomedical advances have anti-evolutionists produced?
 
I always wondered if man came from the Apes then why do we just have man and apes now? Wouldn't you have creatures that fell in between in the evolutionary process? Just pondering.
 
Tryharder62 said:
Hmmmmm. It sounds like there was really no survival of the fittest. The apes survived too. Not one thing in between?

I'm not catholic.:eek: I invoke my right to remain silent.
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The fittest apes and the fittest men survived. The others went extinct.
 
phrodeau said:
The fittest apes and the fittest men survived. The others went extinct.
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My thoughts were that if the fittest ape could survive why would they need to adapt? And that would mean that the adaptations weren't effective. Might be an interesting thing to study.
 
Tryharder62 said:
My thoughts were that if the fittest ape could survive why would they need to adapt? And that would mean that the adaptations weren't effective. Might be an interesting thing to study.
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It's a big planet. Some adaptations are effective in some parts of the planet, and not in others. Humans are only able to live in many environments by doing a lot of work to clothe and shelter themselves and their children.
 
phrodeau said:
It's a big planet. Some adaptations are effective in some parts of the planet, and not in others. Humans are only able to live in many environments by doing a lot of work to clothe and shelter themselves and their children.
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And there is nothing we can do to live in others, like the Marianas Trench. We might be able to visit briefly, but that's about it.
 
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