Let's talk about fascism

[richard_daily]

And by "anarchist" I'm guessing you mean totally government god state worshiping socialist.

No. You don't know your history, just like you don't know your basic definitions of terms you use.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No.

So then you understand that anarchism results in free market capitalism, making it not left wing then?

Or are you still under the mistaken belief that no government authority results in something other than wild wild west libertarian paradise where equality and egalitarianism are a fucking joke??

You don't know your history, just like you don't know your basic definitions of terms you use.

Says Mr. USSR = capitalist RWCJ. LOL


Noted capitalist and reich winger Vladimir Lenin everyone!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zG353AotwSA/maxresdefault.jpg

So says the living dictionary and historian Richard Daily!!!

 

[richard_daily]

So then you understand that anarchism results in free market capitalism, making it not left wing then?

Or are you still under the mistaken belief that no government authority results in something other than wild wild west libertarian paradise where equality and egalitarianism are a fucking joke??

No, I'm correctly using all of the terms I've used.

Anarchism does not lead to right wing capitalism. The vast, vast majority of anarchists are anti-capitalism.

You can keep sticking your head in the sand if you want, but everyone around you knows the truth. Ask one of your circle jerk buds. Even busybody knows better.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, I'm correctly using all of the terms I've used.

Anarchism does not lead to right wing capitalism. The vast, vast majority of anarchists are anti-capitalism.

You can keep sticking your head in the sand if you want, but everyone around you knows the truth. Ask one of your circle jerk buds. Even busybody knows better.

How do you have anything other than capitalism without a government authority there to ensure, push and economically beat people into socioeconomic equality?

You how can you be anti-capitalist while advocating anarchism which results in a TOTALLY free, no limits market and natural hierarchal social structures forming ?

You can keep BS'ing all you want but anarchism ain't left wing beyond some socialist posers who hide behind the label and a few crackpots who are dumb enough to think everyone will play nice and fair when big brother isn't around to protect the meek. Not to mention the only thing egalitarian about it is the equality in freedom from government authority. Otherwise anarchism is a capitalist oyster and a social darwinist wet dream.

That's why the VERY BEST YOU'VE GOT!!! is citing some socialist posers and LW crackpots existence. You won't even post quotes for them to support your argument because they are fucking laughable. Oh and ignoring the primary definition of the word when it states (almost if not universally by all sources) that it's anti-government authority, not anti-capitalism...which at it's core is also anti-government authority.

We've also seen actual anarchism happen before.....that's how we know it doesn't result in the communist utopia.

 

[richard_daily]

How do you have anything other than capitalism without a government authority there to ensure, push and economically beat people into socioeconomic equality?

You how can you be anti-capitalist while advocating anarchism which results in a TOTALLY free, no limits market and natural hierarchal social structures forming ?

You can keep BS'ing all you want but anarchism ain't left wing beyond some socialist posers who hide behind the label and a few crackpots who are dumb enough to think everyone will play nice and fair when big brother isn't around to protect the meek. Not to mention the only thing egalitarian about it is the equality in freedom from government authority. Otherwise anarchism is a capitalist oyster and a social darwinist wet dream.

That's why the VERY BEST YOU'VE GOT!!! is citing some socialist posers and LW crackpots existence. You won't even post quotes for them to support your argument because they are fucking laughable. Oh and ignoring the primary definition of the word when it states (almost if not universally by all sources) that it's anti-government authority, not anti-capitalism...which at it's core is also anti-government authority.

We've also seen actual anarchism happen before.....that's how we know it doesn't result in the communist utopia.

Capitalism has to be propped up by cronies. That's the way it's always been. They buy their power, and take over the government and control the legal system. That's how it's been since the dawn of time. It's not a left or right concept, it's just how it is.

You're confusing the lack of government (small a anarchism), with the political ideology of Anarchism, which is firmly and almost fully left wing, other than some outlyers, and even those had to be given to you on a silver platter, since you're too lazy to research your own arguments.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Capitalism has to be propped up by cronies.

You're confusing the lack of government (small a anarchism), with the political ideology of Anarchism, which is firmly and almost fully left wing, .

No it doesn’t, that is nothing more than socialist ascription.

They are the same anarchism.

If it is left wing then explain how anarchism facilitates or even encourages an egalitarian society. In your own words, im not looking for another wiki link proving there are socialist hiding behind the label.

 

[richard_daily]

No it doesn’t, that is nothing more than socialist ascription.

They are the same anarchism.

If it is left wing then explain how anarchism facilitates or even encourages an egalitarian society. In your own words, im not looking for another wiki link proving there are socialist hiding behind the label.

Anarchism and anarchists are left wing.

You've been provided with countless examples of this, and haven't provided any real world examples of your fantasy of what it is.

You're delusional.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Anarchism and anarchists are left wing.

And for the umpteenth time, can you argue that or is a wiki link to some socialist posers the best you've got?

Again, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, make your argument that a anarchism facilitates, encourages or otherwise promotes egalitarianism making it definitively left wing.

You've been provided with countless examples of this, and haven't provided any real world examples of your fantasy of what it is.

You're delusional.

I've been provided with countless examples of socialist and nuts who say that shit, you've never shown me the left wing utoipa or even how anarchism so much as supports egalitarianism in any way other than being equally free from government authority. None of them made an argument for how exactly anarchism is left wing, including you.


My fantasy of what it is happens on TV regularly. I've lived in a state of anarchy before, and it was not egalitarian AT ALL.

Definition of anarchy

1 a :absence of government
b :a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority the city's descent into anarchy
c :a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a :absence or denial of any authority or established order anarchy prevailed in the ghetto
b :absence of order

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy


Nothing about the definition of anarchy says egalitarianism.

Nothing about the definition of anarchism says or even suggest egalitarianism.

Since you and some other socialist crack pots claim it's left wing, which is the political pursuit of an egalitarian society/egalitarianism you should be able to explain how that is so. Demonstrate how an absence of government authority facilitates or at least in theory promotes egalitarianism.

But I'm betting you won't. Because you have demonstrated numerous times that you have NO ARGUMENT of your own on this topic. You can't even go cite someone else's argument, not without sounding like any more of a socialist crackpot than you already do. Not a single original thought or self formed opinion rolling around up there....

 

[Hypoxia]

ObTopic -- Fascism:

•"A FASCIST is someone who kills because he can't argue." --Anon.
•"FASCISM is Capitalism plus murder." --Upton Sinclair
•"FASCISM is corporatism." --Benito Mussolini
•"FASCISM means war." --John Strachey
•"The ANARCHIST is responsible only to himself; the FASCIST is responsible only to the state." --Anon.
•"FASCISM is a religion; the twentieth century will be known in history as the century of FASCISM." --Benito Mussolini
•"A FASCIST is any person whose politics elevates the importance of one's nation, or Fatherland, above all humanist values such as television and Spring Break." --Anon.

 

[richard_daily]

ObTopic -- Fascism:

•"A FASCIST is someone who kills because he can't argue." --Anon.
•"FASCISM is Capitalism plus murder." --Upton Sinclair
•"FASCISM is corporatism." --Benito Mussolini
•"FASCISM means war." --John Strachey
•"The ANARCHIST is responsible only to himself; the FASCIST is responsible only to the state." --Anon.
•"FASCISM is a religion; the twentieth century will be known in history as the century of FASCISM." --Benito Mussolini
•"A FASCIST is any person whose politics elevates the importance of one's nation, or Fatherland, above all humanist values such as television and Spring Break." --Anon.

Corporatists, fascists, and capitalists are all in the same bag.

That's why so many US capitalists supported the nazi party in the 1930s.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's what I thought...

 

[richard_daily]

That's what I thought...

You keep repeating the same tired bullshit that has been disproven over and over an over. Being a bobblehead doesn't mean that you're winning an argument. Especially after half a dozen people have pointed out the inconsistencies in your position. You refuse to accept reality. That's not anyone's problem but your own.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You keep repeating the same tired bullshit that has been disproven over and over an over. Being a bobblehead doesn't mean that you're winning an argument. Especially after half a dozen people have pointed out the inconsistencies in your position. You refuse to accept reality. That's not anyone's problem but your own.

It's not been disproven.

Linking a wiki page showing that some socialist posers existed isn't disproving anything.

It's not even citing any sort of argument any of them made.

You've never made an argument of your own or even cited someone else's.

They didn't point out any inconsistencies in my position and neither have you. "NUHH HUA!! SEE SOME OTHER SOCIALIST CLAIM THE BIG A!!!" is the best you've come up with.

You're just making shit up at this point to dodge the fact you can't make any sort of argument for your own. Kinda like you never could make an argument for how the USSR was a Capitalist RWCJ either.

 

[richard_daily]

BB needs a remedial reading course.

 

[BotanyBoy]

BB needs a remedial reading course.

I'm not the one who's claiming anarchism = egalitarianism and the Soviet Union was RW and capitalist and not a SINGLE argument as to how or why.

The very best you've got is "NU UHHH!!! I'm right and you're wrong!!" .



You need to go read a dictionary/encyclopedia bub....

 

[richard_daily]

I'm not the one who's claiming anarchism = egalitarianism and the Soviet Union was RW and capitalist and not a SINGLE argument as to how or why.

The very best you've got is "NU UHHH!!! I'm right and you're wrong!!" .



You need to go read a dictionary/encyclopedia bub....

I have given you real world examples of anarchism, anarchists, and anarchy that are all egalitarian: i.e. left wing.

You've given me half a dictionary definition, culled to suit your agenda. You've provided no historical evidence, no documentation, and nothing other than your "common sense" answers, which contain absolutely no common sense.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I have given you real world examples of anarchism, anarchists, and anarchy that are all egalitarian: i.e. left wing.

And none of them were anarchist according to the definition of anarchism.

They were egalitarians, either crackpots who though anarchy would bring about egalitarianism (LMFAO!!!) or they were just socialist who were trying to re-brand socialism as anarchism....

You've given me half a dictionary definition, culled to suit your agenda.

No, you're flat out being a dishonest LIAR here.

I posted numerous FULL definitions with citation and not a single one of them said shit about being left wing or egalitarian.

That's why you won't post ANY definition that says anarchism is about egalitarianism.....because it doesn't exist. They ALL say anarchism is about being anti-government and governmental authority. Which is the exact opposite of egalitarianism.

You've provided no historical evidence, no documentation, and nothing other than your "common sense" answers, which contain absolutely no common sense.

I got the definition of the word on my side and it's practical application. The historical evidence is all around repeatedly. Anytime the government has lost authority that is anarchism, by DEFINITION of the word.

And guess what?

Anarchy has NEVER resulted in the egalitarian utopia. Not ever.

It's always resulted in naturally occurring hierarchy and free market capitalism....100% of the time. Egalitarianism REQUIRES government authority to force it....100% of the time.

 

[richard_daily]

I got the definition of the word on my side and it's practical application. The historical evidence is all around repeatedly. Anytime the government has lost authority that is anarchism, by DEFINITION of the word.

And guess what?

Anarchy has NEVER resulted in the egalitarian utopia. Not ever.

It's always resulted in naturally occurring hierarchy and free market capitalism....100% of the time. Egalitarianism REQUIRES government authority to force it....100% of the time.

Wrong on all counts.

If I show you current day examples of egalitarian anarchy, will you agree to change your mind and stop spouting this BS forever? Do I have your word as a man?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wrong on all counts.

If I show you current day examples of egalitarian anarchy, will you agree to change your mind and stop spouting this BS forever? Do I have your word as a man?

IF!!!!

It fits within the parameters of the common held definitions of anarchy, meaning that it's primary characteristic is that it exist without any governmental authority to protect, manage or control it.

Definition of anarchy

1 a :absence of government
b :a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority: the city's descent into anarchy
c :a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a :absence or denial of any authority or established order: anarchy prevailed in the ghetto
b :absence of order :disorder

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

anarchy
NOUN

mass noun
1A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.

2Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/anarchy

anarchy
noun [ U ] US ​ /ˈæn·ər·ki, -ˌɑr·ki/
​
politics & government a lack of organization and control in a society or group, esp. because either there is no government or it has no power:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/anarchy




So let's see this alleged anarchical state (without any form of government authority) that has resulted in the egalitarian utopia, I'm really anxious to see this mythical unicorn paradise that you apparently know about, but somehow all the liberals/libertarians out on the far right wing missed.

Show me that and I'll buy your claim that anarchism = egalitarian/leftism, not anti-government, utlramax freedom, everyone for themselves libertarian paradise. You have my word you'll never hear another peep about it.

 

[richard_daily]

IF!!!!

It fits within the parameters of the common held definitions of anarchy, meaning that it's primary characteristic is that it exist without any governmental authority to protect, manage or control it.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy




https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/anarchy



https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/anarchy




So let's see this alleged anarchical state (without any form of government authority) that has resulted in the egalitarian utopia, I'm really anxious to see this mythical unicorn paradise that you apparently know about, but somehow all the liberals/libertarians out on the far right wing missed.

Show me that and I'll buy your claim that anarchism = egalitarian/leftism, not anti-government, utlramax freedom, everyone for themselves libertarian paradise. You have my word you'll never hear another peep about it.

Done. I fully expect you to abide by your word, and for you not to try to weasel out.

Here you go:

Kalahari bushmen

The Batak

The Pila Nguru

The Sentinelese

The Pirahã

Nomadic hunter-gatherer societies usually have non-hierarchical social structures, unlike higher-order horticultural, pastoral, and industrial societies. The group usually consists of a small number of family units, often related, comprising a tribe. Typically, men are responsible for hunting and women for gathering.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Hunter-gatherer

Hunter-gatherers tend to have an egalitarian social ethos, although settled hunter-gatherers (for example, those inhabiting the Northwest Coast of North America) are an exception to this rule. Nearly all African hunter-gatherers are egalitarian, with women roughly as influential and powerful as men.[11] Karl Marx defined this socio-economic system as primitive communism.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer

Those are humans, in their natural state. Egalitarianism. Anarchy. Leftist. They didn't form capitalist markets, and screw each other over. They work together, in the absence of a government. That is anarchy in action.

These are just more concrete examples. So add it to the pile.

Here's a bit more on it:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...r-gatherers-maintained-their-egalitarian-ways

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/14/early-men-women-equal-scientists

 

[BotanyBoy]

Done. I fully expect you to abide by your word, and for you not to try to weasel out.

Here you go:

Kalahari bushmen

The Batak

The Pila Nguru

The Sentinelese

The Pirahã

Tribalism =/= Anarchism....tribes are not anarchical, they have laws and social order. They might be egalitarian, but that doesn't mean they don't have government authority there to ensure it. Every one of those tribes has social order and a code of ethics that they live by, and violators get punished. Government.

Primitive, but still government.

Definition of anarchy

1 a :absence of government
b :a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority: the city's descent into anarchy
c :a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a :absence or denial of any authority or established order: anarchy prevailed in the ghetto
b :absence of order :disorder

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

^^ this is the complete definition as are all the others that I posted and cited, none of which say a fuckin' thing about egalitarianism or leftism, but a lack of social order due to an absence of governmental authority.


Now, I'll give you that tribalism is about as close to anarchy as you can get without it going totally off the rails like you would see in a state that suddenly had no government authority. But they still have law and order bro....not anarchy.

Those are humans, in their natural state. Egalitarianism. Anarchy. Leftist. They didn't form capitalist markets, and screw each other over. They work together, in the absence of a government. That is anarchy in action.

Natural state, egalitarian and leftist....not anarchical though. They have social order, directly violating the definition of anarchy.

 

[Bray123]

Some dunderheads think that because all Anarchists are Socialists, that means that all Socialists are Anarchists.

Like all cars are Ford because all Fords are cars.

I've seen hundreds / thousands of Anarchists at squats, protests etc. I've never seen one in a right-wing environment.

 

[Hypoxia]

Some dunderheads maintain a strawman model of Socialism that bears little resemblance to the myriad of non-monopoly-capitalism economic models extant globally and historically. They render the word meaningless, except as "some shit I don't like." Taxes and zoning are socialist. Gov't helping people is socialist. Running around naked is socialist. iPhones are socialist. Yada yada.

"Sorry I'll be home late, hon. Some socialist drove into a school bus and the road's closed till the crime scene socialists are finished. Heat me up a nice rosy capitalist chicken-pot pie, will ya, hon?"

 

[BotanyBoy]

Some dunderheads maintain a strawman model of Socialism that bears little resemblance to the myriad of non-monopoly-capitalism economic models extant globally and historically. They render the word meaningless, except as "some shit I don't like." Taxes and zoning are socialist. Gov't helping people is socialist. Running around naked is socialist. iPhones are socialist. Yada yada.

"Sorry I'll be home late, hon. Some socialist drove into a school bus and the road's closed till the crime scene socialists are finished. Heat me up a nice rosy capitalist chicken-pot pie, will ya, hon?"

The word socialist isn't meaningless, no matter how badly you wish it was, because you are.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Some dunderheads think that because all Anarchists are Socialists, that means that all Socialists are Anarchists.

You can't be both at the same time.

Their definitions make them mutually exclusive.